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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
279
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Posted - 2013.09.07 12:11:00 -
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Motoko Kasaki wrote:Pius Rova wrote:Eran Mintor wrote:Yes, declare war in name of the Reclaiming on the other three major empires and watch them unite against you like the four did against Sansha Reclaiming is not war, it is a service performed for the benefit of all unsaved souls, that they may come into holy service and be redeemed. If not us, who? If not now, when? Never ideally. Reclaiming and war are the same thing, in much the same way as being executed by the sword or the firing squad. The precise methodology may differ but the end product is the same. Make no mistake zealot, we have no need of your God or your golden spires or your scriptures. Now do be a dear and run along, I'm sure you're late for prayers.
Cpt. Kasaki,
obviously you've not read the bestseller "Pax Amarria". In fact Reclaiming isn't the same as war, though maybe not quite in the way my overly zealous compatriot tries to constrain it. Though I freely admit that Reclaiming can take the form of war. Anyway, just as my compatriot made a mistake in his passion, you make a mistake if you constrain what the Scriptures speak about as the 'Amarrian God'. There is no such thing.
I'd be happy to debate the finer points of this next time I visit your corporation's abode.
Godspeed. -N. Mithra |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force
1200
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Posted - 2013.09.07 14:39:00 -
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Pius Rova wrote: If not us, who?
Nobody
Pius Rova wrote: If not now, when?
Never
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Motoko Kasaki
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
16
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:14:00 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Cpt. Kasaki,
obviously you've not read the bestseller "Pax Amarria". In fact Reclaiming isn't the same as war, though maybe not quite in the way my overly zealous compatriot tries to constrain it. Though I freely admit that Reclaiming can take the form of war. Anyway, just as my compatriot made a mistake in his passion, you make a mistake if you constrain what the Scriptures speak about as the 'Amarrian God'. There is no such thing.
I'd be happy to debate the finer points of this next time I visit your corporation's abode.
Godspeed. -N. Mithra
My apologies for my error. Given the nature of Pax Amarria, I have not set the time aside to read it, though that will be rectified shortly. However your overzealous colleague, and you need to be aware that though I cannot speak for the Gallenteans or the Matari, I cannot imagine the Caldari taking this 'lying down' so to speak. We're still teaching the last group of idiots who tried to make us live on thier terms precisely why that's such a bad idea after all.
Glory to the State. |
Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient Electus Matari
132
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Posted - 2013.09.07 16:07:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Pius Rova wrote: If not us, who?
NobodyPius Rova wrote: If not now, when?
Never
You're wasting your breath in this particular case, Fred. It would seem that shortly after he posted this message, he entered a clone bay and never woke up.
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force
1201
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Posted - 2013.09.07 16:24:00 -
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Gabriel Darkefyre wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Pius Rova wrote: If not us, who?
NobodyPius Rova wrote: If not now, when?
Never You're wasting your breath in this particular case, Fred. It would seem that shortly after he posted this message, he entered a clone bay and never woke up.
His poor little heart couldn't take it Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Constantin Baracca
13
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Posted - 2013.09.07 19:58:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Gabriel Darkefyre wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Pius Rova wrote: If not us, who?
NobodyPius Rova wrote: If not now, when?
Never You're wasting your breath in this particular case, Fred. It would seem that shortly after he posted this message, he entered a clone bay and never woke up. His poor little heart couldn't take it
I think it is more likely that he was simply here to stoke tensions. Whether he was actually a Holder or even Amarr is probably debatable. At best, he was a troublemaker who came to poke the Matari to see who jumped.
At worst, he was simply here because, for once, our religion wasn't being cast in a consistently negative light.
For every step we try to take forward, it seems... "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
978
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Posted - 2013.09.08 07:16:00 -
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Pius Rova wrote:I support Merimeth Sarum in his call for a renewed reclaiming, for too long the Amarr empire has remained too complacent in it's dealings with other factions, it has allowed slander and heresy to blossom, it is time for that to end.
The time has come for the empire to reclaim it's former glory and liberate Federation liberals and Republic heathens from their wicked paths, it is time to do the Lord's work once more.
I think you forgot about those wind-worshiping Caldari arms dealers... er, trading partners of yours. I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused. |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
71
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Posted - 2013.09.08 07:22:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Pius Rova wrote:I support Merimeth Sarum in his call for a renewed reclaiming, for too long the Amarr empire has remained too complacent in it's dealings with other factions, it has allowed slander and heresy to blossom, it is time for that to end.
The time has come for the empire to reclaim it's former glory and liberate Federation liberals and Republic heathens from their wicked paths, it is time to do the Lord's work once more. I think you forgot about those wind-worshiping Caldari arms dealers... er, trading partners of yours.
The man's dead. I'm not sure he'll see what you say unless he has some extraordinary powers.
-Eran |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
978
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Posted - 2013.09.08 07:25:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:It is time for the Lord to drop several tonnes of logic and reality on your head. Perhaps knock some sense in ya.
-Eran
I think dropping several kilotons of fissile material on Rova might be more effective but, that's just my opinion*.
*Which is mine and mine solely. It does not constitute any official imprimatur by Gradient or EM. Neither Gradient or EM endorses the release of thermonuclear devices onto the thick heads of imperial zealots. Maybe they should but, they don't.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
978
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Posted - 2013.09.08 07:27:00 -
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I didn't notice that until you mentioned it, Pilot Mintor. My mistake. I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused. |
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Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
80
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Posted - 2013.09.08 07:30:00 -
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Well if it's any condolence, I would be happy to be the one responsible for dropping several kilotons of matter on ignorant Amarrians. Though the man may be dead, I have no doubt you will find another like him in due time.
-Eran |
Constantin Baracca
24
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Posted - 2013.09.09 14:10:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Well if it's any condolence, I would be happy to be the one responsible for dropping several kilotons of matter on ignorant Amarrians. Though the man may be dead, I have no doubt you will find another like him in due time.
-Eran
Take care, brother Eran, that in bombing the ignorant you are not simply repeating their mistakes.
If you could bomb someone into enlightenment, I think the last generation of Amarr would have taken over the cluster. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Shintoko Akahoshi
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
398
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Posted - 2013.09.09 20:27:00 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:...Reclaiming isn't the same as war, though maybe not quite in the way my overly zealous compatriot tries to constrain it.
In all fairness, this is an excellent point. There is a sizable minority of Gallente following the Amarr faith, who were attracted and converted through entirely peaceful means. I wonder if that's part of what inspired Heideran to write what he did on the subject of Reclamation. Bio and writing
(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated) |
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
280
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Posted - 2013.09.09 22:05:00 -
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Motoko Kasaki wrote:My apologies for my error. Given the nature of Pax Amarria, I have not set the time aside to read it, though that will be rectified shortly. However your overzealous colleague, and you need to be aware that though I cannot speak for the Gallenteans or the Matari, I cannot imagine the Caldari taking this 'lying down' so to speak. We're still teaching the last group of idiots who tried to make us live on thier terms precisely why that's such a bad idea after all.
The recent push for a renewed Reclaiming by military means is directed against the Minatar, Cpt. Kasaki, I don't see why the Caldari would have to 'take' anything in this regard.
As to what you say, Cpt. Akahoshi: The perhaps greatest success in the history of the Reclaiming, which had possibly the greatest rewards, was a diplomatic success, rather than a military success: Winning over the Khanid. The vast majority of Khanids converted freely to the Amarrian religion and were never enslaved. I don't want to say that seeing Gallente convert freely played no role in inspiring the Pax Amarria, but Heideran was building on a very old tradition with his book. |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
83
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Posted - 2013.09.10 00:18:00 -
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Constantin Baracca wrote:Eran Mintor wrote:Well if it's any condolence, I would be happy to be the one responsible for dropping several kilotons of matter on ignorant Amarrians. Though the man may be dead, I have no doubt you will find another like him in due time.
-Eran Take care, brother Eran, that in bombing the ignorant you are not simply repeating their mistakes. If you could bomb someone into enlightenment, I think the last generation of Amarr would have taken over the cluster.
I perhaps phrased that poorly...matter wasn't the right word. Though if logic fails there's only a few options anyways.
-Eran |
Constantin Baracca
29
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Posted - 2013.09.10 00:31:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Constantin Baracca wrote:Eran Mintor wrote:Well if it's any condolence, I would be happy to be the one responsible for dropping several kilotons of matter on ignorant Amarrians. Though the man may be dead, I have no doubt you will find another like him in due time.
-Eran Take care, brother Eran, that in bombing the ignorant you are not simply repeating their mistakes. If you could bomb someone into enlightenment, I think the last generation of Amarr would have taken over the cluster. I perhaps phrased that poorly...matter wasn't the right word. Though if logic fails there's only a few options anyways. -Eran
Remember that logic, though definitively not prone to interpretation, usually comes to mean what is logical in our own societies. Nothing seemed logical the first time I entered Gallentean space, but after a while you come to see how it becomes the logical progression of their culture.
It also seems ignorance seems to follow the same pattern. Whatever your race or culture, it seems we all have to deal with idiots (or people pretending to be your society's idiots). It's what eventually led me to stop worrying about the worst parts of other empire's populations. Until I can safely say that all Amarrians are living up to our best expectations, it's best not to go throwing stones through my windows. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
83
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Posted - 2013.09.10 00:47:00 -
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Wise words...
I think I like you. Not in the way that probably comes to mind among Gallente, though. For the record I have no issue with that "way," it's just not for me.
-Eran |
Constantin Baracca
31
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:02:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Wise words...
I think I like you. Not in the way that probably comes to mind among Gallente, though. For the record I have no issue with that "way," it's just not for me.
-Eran
I have to say I am glad for that, Brother Eran. If we were to start a relationship, I have a feeling I would be the one carrying the purse.
I mean, that way isn't for me either... but look at this shirt.
There are no excuses. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
84
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:07:00 -
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You do fold your arms in a way like you're hiding something...
-Eran |
Constantin Baracca
31
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:20:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:You do fold your arms in a way like you're hiding something...
-Eran
My photographer said it made me look "imperial."
I remember him asking if I had a scepter or something I could use to show authority.
I don't think anyone here is going to throw more casual racism into full debates about full essays than I heard in ten minutes of having my picture taken for this.
I mean, seriously, do any Matari get professional photographers asking them to put bones through their lips? Gallenteans get asked if they have any boosters on them for the photo opportunity? Do they paint bar codes onto the Caldari foreheads before these things?
I had to outright refuse eyeliner and a giant golden sigil in the background. I'm starting to think that there is some sort of bondage underground where "Amarrian priests" are somehow popular.
The job's not as sexually charged as it sounds. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
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Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
84
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:29:00 -
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You're awesome. Don't take it personal though.
-Eran |
Constantin Baracca
31
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:45:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:You're awesome. Don't take it personal though.
-Eran
I try not to.
....
... I think we've got far, FAR off topic somehow. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1654
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Posted - 2013.09.10 04:59:00 -
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Hey, the barcode saves time in customs queues. You can encode all sorts of data in one of those. |
Shintoko Akahoshi
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
400
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Posted - 2013.09.10 15:15:00 -
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Someday, Pieter, I'm going to get you drunk, load you on a trolley, and cart you down to the supermarket to be scanned. Bio and writing
(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated) |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1657
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Posted - 2013.09.10 17:20:00 -
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The sad thing is, if you do it at a Suvee comissary, it'll probably read it... |
Constantin Baracca
34
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Posted - 2013.09.10 17:33:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:The sad thing is, if you do it at a Suvee comissary, it'll probably read it...
How much are you per pound, are you ever on sale, and can you guarantee you're sourced from organic growers? "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1657
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Posted - 2013.09.10 17:56:00 -
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You can ask my ojaabun how much I cost to hire. Divide the result by 115 to get my price per kilo for the engagement length.
I am vatgrown, from the finest materials. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
699
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:08:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:You can ask my ojaabun how much I cost to hire. Divide the result by 115 to get my price per kilo for the engagement length.
I am vatgrown, from the finest materials.
I currently only negotiate in the following commodities and goods:
- Pedigree Achuran shorthairs from Saisio - Intaki hand rolled cigars - Traditional Sebiestor smoked herrings and/or traditional Brutor blood sausages - Ni-kunni nutmeg, cinnamon and crushed walnuts - Traditional Khanid yaks-milk butter
There are no set exchange rates and negotiations will occur only upon day of the winter solstice. Where the gifts and offerings made to me will no doubt help me decide which weak village shall have Tuulinen sent in a heavy rug to them until the day of the equinox.
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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
808
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:49:00 -
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Motoko Kasaki wrote:Reclaiming and war are the same thing, in much the same way as being executed by the sword or the firing squad. The precise methodology may differ but the end product is the same.
Mining for hours a week and pirating traders will both make you money, but no one treats them as the same thing because they're not. How you go about accomplishing something is just as important as what you seek to accomplish. Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
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