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Alex Etolle
Shadowfire Exploration and Security Rura-Penthe
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Posted - 2013.08.16 18:45:00 -
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ok, I've been wondering this for a while now: what's are your favorite strategies to use against enemies? I'm talking about enemy corps and alliances as well as single people. personally, I like to use either indirect means of taking care of them, or at the very least, stay at range and take care of them. And yes, you pirates can get bloody and gory with your descriptions, just keep it so that it isn't too descriptive so that the thread isn't locked down by the admins. after all, children might read this!
Oh, and would you guys at Pyre please try to make sure Kim doesn't start a tirade about "how the Federation must be destroyed!" Seriously, we're all Empyreans here and this is a neutral ground! |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1743
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Posted - 2013.08.16 18:50:00 -
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Alex Etolle wrote:ok, I've been wondering this for a while now: what's are your favorite strategies to use against enemies? I'm talking about enemy corps and alliances as well as single people. personally, I like to use either indirect means of taking care of them, or at the very least, stay at range and take care of them. And yes, you pirates can get bloody and gory with your descriptions, just keep it so that it isn't too descriptive so that the thread isn't locked down by the admins. after all, children might read this!
Oh, and would you guys at Pyre please try to make sure Kim doesn't start a tirade about "how the Federation must be destroyed!" Seriously, we're all Empyreans here and this is a neutral ground!
Firstly, whatever works.
Secondly, I doubt that Diana Kim is going to listen to anyone from Pyre, considering that she believes that Pyre Falcon are all "Gallente Traitors" or something equally stupid, and she's not their responsibility anyways. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
3214
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Posted - 2013.08.16 18:58:00 -
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My favourite strategy to deal with enemies? It's a two-part strategy.
Part 1. Give my enemy incomplete information about my plan. Mane 614
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Shintoko Akahoshi
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
371
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Posted - 2013.08.16 19:21:00 -
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Shooting at them is always satisfying, though sometimes talking is best. Sometimes there may be rhymes.
The Ixiris stares and stares and stares, and stares and stares and stares and stares. Bio and writing
(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated) |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
593
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Posted - 2013.08.16 19:29:00 -
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I indulge in the amusement of watching my enemies self-destruct in public due to their own ignorance and stupidity.
Although such satisfaction usually only occurs with the weak of mind and the easily manipulated.
Such as Diana Kim.
What greater victory is there than to guide your foe step by step towards felling themselves at the point of their own sword? I find direct violence as a tool of last resort if one is unable to achieve the far more subtle, yet efficient, method of just persuading your enemy to use their own weapons against themselves.
However, I fear I am far too much a simple, open and honest woman to partake in the arts of plotting and scheming against others. The skills necessary to do so are frankly the ones I always seem to lack in life.
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Alex Etolle
Shadowfire Exploration and Security Rura-Penthe
17
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Posted - 2013.08.16 19:34:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:I indulge in the amusement of watching my enemies self-destruct in public due to their own ignorance and stupidity.
Although such satisfaction usually only occurs with the weak of mind and the easily manipulated.
Such as Diana Kim.
What greater victory is there than to guide your foe step by step towards felling themselves at the point of their own sword? I find direct violence as a tool of last resort if one is unable to achieve the far more subtle, yet efficient, method of just persuading your enemy to use their own weapons against themselves.
However, I fear I am far too much a simple, open and honest woman to partake in the arts of plotting and scheming against others. The skills necessary to do so are frankly the ones I always seem to lack in life.
yeah, that's one of the strategies I meant by "indirect." it's fun watching someone screw themselves over to the point where they effectively destroyed themselves, ahh... this brings back memories of my time in the Black Eagles... |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
593
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Posted - 2013.08.16 19:37:00 -
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Alex Etolle wrote: this brings back memories of my time in the Black Eagles...
Were you in the same overt-clandestine unit as Seriphyn Inhonores?
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Alex Etolle
Shadowfire Exploration and Security Rura-Penthe
17
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Posted - 2013.08.16 19:49:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Alex Etolle wrote: this brings back memories of my time in the Black Eagles... Were you in the same overt-clandestine unit as Seriphyn Inhonores?
No, I was not. truth be told, I had not heard of him during my time in the Eagles. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
2675
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Posted - 2013.08.16 19:52:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: However, I fear I am far too much a simple, open and honest woman to partake in the arts of plotting and scheming against others. The skills necessary to do so are frankly the ones I always seem to lack in life.
I giggled.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
520
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Posted - 2013.08.17 04:15:00 -
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Alex Etolle wrote:ok, I've been wondering this for a while now: what's are your favorite strategies to use against enemies? I'm talking about enemy corps and alliances as well as single people. personally, I like to use either indirect means of taking care of them, or at the very least, stay at range and take care of them. And yes, you pirates can get bloody and gory with your descriptions, just keep it so that it isn't too descriptive so that the thread isn't locked down by the admins. after all, children might read this!
Destruction on contact.
Alex Etolle wrote: Oh, and would you guys at Pyre please try to make sure Kim doesn't start a tirade about "how the Federation must be destroyed!" Seriously, we're all Empyreans here and this is a neutral ground!
1. Pyre has nothing to do with me. Even their loyalty to the State is doubtful. Especially their leader. Besides, I outrank her, and it is I who can give commands to her, not she to me. But she has already displayed both her hostility and disrespect to uniform and the State, so the moment she will try to approach me in person, she will probably get a bullet right between her stupid eyes. 2. The Federation must be destroyed regardless. |
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iyammarrok
Disconnected. Angeli Mortis
146
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Posted - 2013.08.17 14:13:00 -
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Ah, I see your mistake here Diana, You have gone from thinking that Heth is the state to thinking that You are the state.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin has shown disrespect not to the navy, or it's uniform, nor to the state. She has shown a completely understandable lack of respect for you and you alone.
You should probably sort that out in your own little head Diana, While your rants continue to amuse a large number of capsuleers, I am honestly beginning to pity you. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
iyammarrok
Disconnected. Angeli Mortis
146
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Posted - 2013.08.17 14:14:00 -
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back on topic. Overwhelming force is usually the best option. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
455
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Posted - 2013.08.18 10:54:00 -
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Ida tells me to consider all avenues of attack, and plan accordingly.
Federal marine training says kick the door in, or blow it with a demolition charge, and paste any tango until they stop twitching.
Decisions, decisions... Nothing Personal - Just Business...
Chaos Creates Content |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1598
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:54:00 -
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Inflict upon them the greatest insult one can give to your foe: To be ignored. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Motoko Kasaki
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:59:00 -
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Depends on the situation ultimately. Back in my days with Corp-Sec, I'd advise my teams to try and use words first, if only because not only are words cheaper than pulse rifle rounds, they also don't upset the client nearly as much as bulletholes in thier property. Even when I was with CPD, I tried my best to keep my assets on a short leash. Violence is a big black line and whilst you should not hesitate to cross it when required, you should at least make an effort to avoid it. |
Constantin Baracca
2
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Posted - 2013.08.27 23:14:00 -
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My strategy for dealing with my enemies is to not make them, if at all possible. I try to avoid the more sophomoric squabbling by keeping my hat out of the alliance-corporate-imperial power structure. People who dislike you usually aren't worth the time you spend on them, especially when you can fly to the other side of the cluster and find someone who does like you.
Anyone who makes it a point to harass you is thus making sure you handle them on a case-by-case basis. There really isn't a methodology behind it. You have a problem then apply the correct solution. If you have a problem, it was obviously your mistake in the first place. Don't give dullards the opportunity to wrong you and don't wrong your fellow man in return. You would be amazed the opportunities that open themselves when you've made your friends a paramount priority above your enemies. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
1207
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:15:00 -
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I wouldnt know, sir.
I am a lifelong pacifist and strict practicioner of nonviolence. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
1130
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:16:00 -
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"Fly me closer! I want to hit them with my sword!" Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Motoko Kasaki
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:24:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:"Fly me closer! I want to hit them with my sword!"
Does anyone even use swords anymore? I would have thought them dreadfully impractical. The mental image is amusing though. Glory to the State. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
1130
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:35:00 -
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Motoko Kasaki wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:"Fly me closer! I want to hit them with my sword!" Does anyone even use swords anymore? I would have thought them dreadfully impractical. The mental image is amusing though.
Sword was being used as a metaphor for blasters due to the extremely close range required
Though I do believe swords are used for ceremonial purposes in nearly all military's. I've heard rumors that Amarr officers still train for combat with them to a small degree. I actually have my father's sword from when he served as Federation Navy officer though I doubt it would hold together in combat. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
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Motoko Kasaki
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:51:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Motoko Kasaki wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:"Fly me closer! I want to hit them with my sword!" Does anyone even use swords anymore? I would have thought them dreadfully impractical. The mental image is amusing though. Sword was being used as a metaphor for blasters due to the extremely close range required Though I do believe swords are used for ceremonial purposes in nearly all military's. I've heard rumors that Amarr officers still train for combat with them to a small degree. I actually have my father's sword from when he served as Federation Navy officer though I doubt it would hold together in combat.
That tradition holds true for most officer schools outside the State as far as I know. It certainly isn't unique to the Federation. I'm not even sure it's true inside the State, but I was only a noncom when I left so they didn't tell me these kind of things. My good friend let me see her officer sword she was presented with when she left the Imperial Navy. She told me she didn't train for combat with it, preferring her vibroblade or her bayonet. I got a dagger when I started my former employment though. It wasn't anything special, just an engraved stiletto blade.
But I got an amusing image of you hanging off the front of a myrmidon waving a cutlass wearing a tricorn hat. Glory to the State. |
Constantin Baracca
2
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Posted - 2013.08.28 03:21:00 -
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Motoko Kasaki wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Motoko Kasaki wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:"Fly me closer! I want to hit them with my sword!" Does anyone even use swords anymore? I would have thought them dreadfully impractical. The mental image is amusing though. Sword was being used as a metaphor for blasters due to the extremely close range required Though I do believe swords are used for ceremonial purposes in nearly all military's. I've heard rumors that Amarr officers still train for combat with them to a small degree. I actually have my father's sword from when he served as Federation Navy officer though I doubt it would hold together in combat. That tradition holds true for most officer schools outside the State as far as I know. It certainly isn't unique to the Federation. I'm not even sure it's true inside the State, but I was only a noncom when I left so they didn't tell me these kind of things. My good friend let me see her officer sword she was presented with when she left the Imperial Navy. She told me she didn't train for combat with it, preferring her vibroblade or her bayonet. I got a dagger when I started my former employment though. It wasn't anything special, just an engraved stiletto blade. But I got an amusing image of you hanging off the front of a myrmidon waving a cutlass wearing a tricorn hat.
I can shed some light on this.
My education consisted of traditional dueling combat and we did, as you rightly say, spend time mastering swordsmanship. At first, I honestly believed it was simply part of our history that I was learning. In retrospect, it seems to have translated well into frigate combat. It teaches excellent decision making and the basic strategy behind cut-and-thrust, in a way, hardwires your mind for close combat.
I would say that, as I began learning when I was six, it is probably not going to be as useful to a current capsuleer who already has a background in ship to ship combat.
Still, yes, I have a traditional sword that I keep in my apartments in the Home Worlds. I do practice with it regularly. I suppose, if necessary, the vibrating blade would still be lethal if I ever did manage to cut someone with it. With all that said, however, it has mostly been a conversation piece for those who stop by my quarters. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |
Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
464
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Posted - 2013.08.28 05:58:00 -
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A sword may be antiquated, but a modern vibroblade is quite deadly. Practice with all kinds of weapons is good for the body, for self discipline, and for those situations where punching the walls of a station or outpost is inadvisable at best and you are nose to nose with your enemies in the corridors.
Same reason we would use handguns and flechette guns inside an enclosed space like that, you want to shred people without causing something to explode in your face. Nothing Personal - Just Business...
Chaos Creates Content |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
530
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Posted - 2013.08.28 10:04:00 -
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Arkady Vachon wrote:A sword may be antiquated, but a modern vibroblade is quite deadly. Practice with all kinds of weapons is good for the body, for self discipline, and for those situations where punching the walls of a station or outpost is inadvisable at best and you are nose to nose with your enemies in the corridors.
Same reason we would use handguns and flechette guns inside an enclosed space like that, you want to shred people without causing something to explode in your face. Weapons don't kill peoples. Other peoples do. Practically anything can be quite deadly weapon. For example, I bet, you wouldn't want to find a grenade pin inside your throat. |
Ava Starfire
Gradient Electus Matari
1208
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Posted - 2013.08.28 11:36:00 -
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Motoko Kasaki wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:"Fly me closer! I want to hit them with my sword!" Does anyone even use swords anymore? I would have thought them dreadfully impractical. The mental image is amusing though.
Yes. People still use them. They're used for many practicioners of martial arts, of various sorts.
They are still used in formalized combat, ranging from tournaments to honor duels.
A sword is still a symbol of status for some people.
And all of this still exists because...
An old fashioned sword, hatchet, bayonet, entrenching tool, pipewrench, even simple knife is still very, very effective at close quarters. As much as people like to pretend such brutal, hand to hand combat no longer occurs, that does not change the fact that it does. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Kaid Hayden
Seven Stars Search and Rescue
2
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Posted - 2013.08.28 13:14:00 -
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I typically don't. Then again, I don't have any enemies in particular. I guess I'd invite them over to settle our differences in a game of skyball and then maybe grab some drinks and talk it over when all the aggression's out of our systems, you know? Maybe go watch a holo, kick back in a bed for a few hours. That's the kind of luxury negotiations you can afford yourself when you're insignificant. Makes you think, don't it, makes you think. |
Dahacai Laguz
Aliastra Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.08.28 13:53:00 -
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Strike, shoot, maim, cut, stab them in the back. If all else fails, you go for their loved ones! Hmm.. or you could go for them first. |
Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
274
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Posted - 2013.08.28 14:17:00 -
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Strategy? Isn't that dependant entirely on how you wish to define beating your opponent? We can't die for all intents and purposes. How do you beat that? The only way is to change the mind-set of your enemy and that is not exactly easy.
As a pirate, or at best a privateer my strategy revolves on still having my ship after I've decided someone else can't have theirs because I want it for parts, or the destruction of their ship means I get paid. I also consider it a win if I've helped a friend with an issue. Be it killing a few rogue drones to a complete campaign of destruction against a given range of targets. Whether that win means an ultimate victory for the war in which it is waged is not for me to concern myself with.
It's funny, we are all so hell bent on being correct, righteous or judged well that in the end we focus more on making our point and a lot less on understanding why others have theirs.
You get the last bit and the first bit is much easier.
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Sorjat
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.08.28 14:31:00 -
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To answer your question Alex, the general strat I learned from my days at the Federal Navy...
"Firstest with the Mostest"
However, if you lack the former you need to compensate with the latter. If you lack the latter then you need to prepare your defenses well because of what I just said in the previous sentence.
Should you lack both, then strategy, guile, intelligence, command and control and dumb luck will all come to play a much larger role in determining the outcome. Match your wits vs the stupidity of your foes.
In this last situation, which is by far the most common it most often yields the sweetest victories because you truly have to earn it.
Miscalculate and you'll wake up in the clone vat. |
Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
143
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Posted - 2013.08.28 14:40:00 -
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Wormhole tactics are peculiar in such that you never at any given time have a clear idea if there are more people ready and waiting to pounce.
Cloaking is commonly used within anoikis and the stealthed approach to warfare opens up a whole new playing field.
"Is this person really alone and simply exploring the system?" "Is this a potential trap"
The paranoia capusleers sometimes suffer from is enhanced in wormholes due to the disruption in local communications and the use of cloaking warfare.
Using your directional scanner is of vital importance for intelligence gathering when it comes to this. Naming conventions for ships are commonly used to identify the odd ones out.
I found that over the time the best strategy I have been able to employ is "Always be able to fend for yourself" As you are never sure when and if you are able to get backup. And also "Always know where to run". Now running might seem like the coward's way out, and I am sure some will say such here.
But being able to save your ship and crew from a situation you can not overcome is often preferred considering the difficulty you can have in coming back "home" to your system. aÑÉ |
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