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Baygun
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.17 06:24:00 -
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Although subject says it all let me ask more thoroughly:
Is it possible to add such feature in game to buy SP for reasonable amount of PLEX? Anyway SP costs game time which can be materialized as PLEX.
Additional benefit would be to make happy all newbies who complain about SP difference to some extent. Consequence would be that more experienced players will get more shiny stuff to blow up.
Obviously some restrictions might be applied as is for remapping. |
TehCloud
Carnivore Company 24eme Legion Etrangere
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Posted - 2013.08.17 06:26:00 -
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Pay2Win? Of course, this sounds like a reaso...NO! My Condor costs less than that module! |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
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Posted - 2013.08.17 06:27:00 -
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Baygun wrote:Is it possible to add such feature in game to buy SP for reasonable amount of PLEX? What is reasonable amount of PLEX for 1 SP? 1? 2? 10? Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Xequecal
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.17 06:29:00 -
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I'd be happy if they stopped essentially handing SP to existing/active players for free. You know, like the 4.6m free SP everyone got with the battlecruiser change. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
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Posted - 2013.08.17 06:33:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:I'd be happy if they stopped essentially handing SP to existing/active players for free. You know, like the 4.6m free SP everyone got with the battlecruiser change. That was not a bonus but a penalty to existing players as they essentially got additional SP (often with clone cost increase) without any benefit at all. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Baygun
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.17 06:48:00 -
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I do not understand your point here. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.17 06:54:00 -
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Why not plex for instablowing up an enemy ship? so even noobs can win pvp |
Baygun
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.17 06:58:00 -
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:What is reasonable amount of PLEX for 1 SP? 1? 2? 10?
I do not know. I am pretty sure however CCP will figure it out if they decide to go that way.
P.S. the pure mathematics says with each skill having minimum training rate of (17+17/2) SP per minute, then for 1 PLEX that is 1 101 600 SP. I guess CCP may choose lower number of SP per PLEX. or add diminishing returns... :) |
Arkenai Wyrnspire
Amatin Navy
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Posted - 2013.08.17 07:01:00 -
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Absolutely not. Being able to do that kind of thing is what the Incarna riots were about - Very few people want EVE to be P2W. Another terrible poster ._. |
Baygun
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.17 07:04:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:Why not plex for instablowing up an enemy ship? so even noobs can win pvp
according many PVP stars noobs can indeed blowup vets and no PLEX is needed.
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Baygun
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.17 07:08:00 -
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Arkenai Wyrnspire wrote:Absolutely not. Being able to do that kind of thing is what the Incarna riots were about - Very few people want EVE to be P2W.
Please explain why you consider that "PLEX for SP" = "P2W".
I see little to no difference than "PLEX for ISK"... and ISK = guns and ammo = win |
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.17 07:14:00 -
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Baygun wrote:Arkenai Wyrnspire wrote:Absolutely not. Being able to do that kind of thing is what the Incarna riots were about - Very few people want EVE to be P2W. Please explain why you consider that "PLEX for SP" = "P2W". I see little to no difference than "PLEX for ISK"... and ISK = guns and ammo = win
Those guns and ammo are available to all players: new and old.
It's different from 1 day old character having 40 million skillpoints. |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
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Posted - 2013.08.17 07:14:00 -
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Plex for SP and i am quitting Eve Online, forever! |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.17 07:18:00 -
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cant it be reversed i give sp and ccp gives plex?:P |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
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Posted - 2013.08.17 07:25:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:cant it be reversed i give sp and ccp gives plex?:P F2P for specialized alt accounts? No ty. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Xequecal
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.17 07:41:00 -
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:Xequecal wrote:I'd be happy if they stopped essentially handing SP to existing/active players for free. You know, like the 4.6m free SP everyone got with the battlecruiser change. That was not a bonus but a penalty to existing players as they essentially got additional SP (often with clone cost increase) without any benefit at all.
They get to fly all BCs for 1.56m SP of training time. All future players need to train four times as much to fly all BCs. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.08.17 07:50:00 -
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You already get SP for PLEX. Just queue a skill on your main and one on your alt. If not and you think you have found a bug then petition it
If you are asking for additional SP that can be earned through grinding then such a feature would contradict the purely time-based skill progression in EVE. In a highly competitive game such as EVE will many try to use it and the players with the most ISKs wins. Corporations would increase taxes just so their CEOs could buy themselves more skillpoints and dictate others what to train and to reward their members with extra skillpoints (by giving a player a PLEX) or deny it. Minerals, moons, space and ISKs would become less important, because everyone would then try to get extra skillpoints just like XP farmers in other games do. It would change the game completely. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.17 07:57:00 -
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No. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Caleb Seremshur
Angel of War
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Posted - 2013.08.17 08:17:00 -
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Arkenai Wyrnspire wrote:Absolutely not. Being able to do that kind of thing is what the Incarna riots were about - Very few people want EVE to be P2W.
This game will always be pay to win so long as alts and multiboxing are a thing. Read my thread here for my thoughts on eve economy https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=263968&find=unread Mining in game, from the perspective of an IRL miner. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.08.17 08:28:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Arkenai Wyrnspire wrote:Absolutely not. Being able to do that kind of thing is what the Incarna riots were about - Very few people want EVE to be P2W. This game will always be pay to win so long as alts and multiboxing are a thing. There is certainly no black and white, but lots of shades of grey here. Alts serve a clear purpose and someone who uses all his characters openly also loses the advantage of having an alternate identity nobody else knows about. Multiboxing has been in the focus for a while now, but it is still only a rare phenomenon and with the changes to ice mining is now also going down again. There is little to complain about and certainly no reason to turn EVE into an SP grinder. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
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Caleb Seremshur
Angel of War
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Posted - 2013.08.17 08:36:00 -
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You are conveniently overlooking people with many hauling/industry/mining and combat alts not forgetting OGB alts in the mix as well.
Every alt in the game degrades the value of your play time by bloating the game with SP that shouldn't really exist. Newbies aren't worth a crap to many players and are mocked and scorned actively by many because they can contribute so little. What these people forget is that without the plague of alts this game suffers, each newbie would have a much higher value especially if they are interested in pursuing other avenues of the game yourself is not prepared to touch.
I don't do industry myself but by looking at it there must be just about as many SP to sink in science & industry as there is in combat skills. Were it not for alts farming the PVE side of the game I might have considered going in to S&I worthwhile instead of an uphill fight against characters that by all rights shouldn't even exist.
Had dual character training been allowed from the start and multiple accounts outright banned this game would have been better off and you certainly wouldn't see 120-150mil t1 battleships. Read my thread here for my thoughts on eve economy https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=263968&find=unread Mining in game, from the perspective of an IRL miner. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.08.17 08:45:00 -
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If you feel like SP is the defining characteristic of a character, nab one off the Character Bazaar.
Allowing you to use PLEX to circumvent normal game mechanics is bad, mmkay? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11274
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Posted - 2013.08.17 08:50:00 -
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Synonyms for no
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never absolutely not
by no means no way
not at all not by any means
adv negative Synonyms for no
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More words related to no negation n. contradiction, denial
antithesis blank converse inverse
no nonexistence nullification nullity
opposite proscription refusal renunciation
repudiation vacuity veto void
SEE FULL ENTRY refusal n. denial of responsibility; unwillingness
ban defiance disfavor dissent
exclusion interdiction negation no
noncompliance option pass proscription
rejection repulse reversal veto
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Caleb Seremshur
Angel of War
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Posted - 2013.08.17 09:14:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:If you feel like SP is the defining characteristic of a character, nab one off the Character Bazaar.
Allowing you to use PLEX to circumvent normal game mechanics is bad, mmkay?
PLEX is game time. Game time is SP.
PLEX for SP could work at a rate of no training implants across the 30 days of game time.
It would be functionally the same thing. Read my thread here for my thoughts on eve economy https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=263968&find=unread Mining in game, from the perspective of an IRL miner. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
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Posted - 2013.08.17 11:13:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:RubyPorto wrote:If you feel like SP is the defining characteristic of a character, nab one off the Character Bazaar.
Allowing you to use PLEX to circumvent normal game mechanics is bad, mmkay? PLEX is game time. Game time is SP. PLEX for SP could work at a rate of no training implants across the 30 days of game time. It would be functionally the same thing. You just completely scrapped one of most crucial parts of EvE gameplay: time. Instant gratification is bad for games as you'll get bored of them quickly and will search for other ways to amuse yourself. Spending time on your character, slowly savoring different aspects of game, is one of EvE's main charms and selling points. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3894
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Posted - 2013.08.17 11:31:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:PLEX is game time. Game time is SP.
Nope. PLEX can (among other things) purchase game time. Game time allows you access to the game.
Quote:PLEX for SP could work at a rate of no training implants across the 30 days of game time.
It would be functionally the same thing.
Nope. It would be entirely bypassing the training time game mechanic. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Obunagawe
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Posted - 2013.08.17 11:39:00 -
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How about the other way around, destroy your SP in exchange for getting PLEX equivalent to training that SP on fastest possible remap. |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2013.08.17 11:42:00 -
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Baygun wrote:I do not understand your point here.
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Gawain Edmond
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2013.08.17 12:23:00 -
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i think this is a great idea once a month and only once a month you can pay 1 plex per account and this plex lets you gain sp over a period of about 30 days if you don't use this feature then i think you should also not be able to log into the game |
Caleb Seremshur
Angel of War
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Posted - 2013.08.17 12:59:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:PLEX is game time. Game time is SP. Nope. PLEX can (among other things) purchase game time. Game time allows you access to the game. Quote:PLEX for SP could work at a rate of no training implants across the 30 days of game time.
It would be functionally the same thing. Nope. It would be entirely bypassing the training time game mechanic.
So I just buy a character off the bazaar and functionally do the same thing??
You're going in circles here!
The only thing standing in the way of using PLEX to buy SP is the personal hang-ups people have about newbies equalling them in SP.
Excuse me but I thought SP was meaningless? <--- isn't this what we're normally told?
It's all strawman logic. I say give people the opportunity to buy SP with PLEX then goons and PL/FA etc can upskill their whole player base and ruin the game completely.
Maybe then CCP will finally address the cancers at the heart of this game. Read my thread here for my thoughts on eve economy https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=263968&find=unread Mining in game, from the perspective of an IRL miner. |
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