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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.08.19 05:42:00 -
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Elizabeth Aideron wrote:Callduron wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I agree. We must nerf friends!! Friends, hmmm, hadnt considered that actually. So coalitions are about friendships? Yes, and there's nothing stronger than the magic of friendship. This is like, thoroughly documented. Bull. Most coalitions are a house of cards built of people who hate each other but who hate the thought of risking their sov more. you got bitter really quickly
If I was in TEST I'd be bitter too |
Callduron
Corporate Scum Test Alliance Please Ignore
504
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Posted - 2013.08.19 09:10:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote: I have tried over the last couple of months to save Callduron. Unlike my friends such as Jimmy the Test Free hangar cleaner, Iamien the former TEST logistics now my logistics director, or Daquaris the former TEST spymaster and programmer (and certified somer blink thief), Callduron decided to stick around for his "honor" as an FC.
Seriously, in my personal discussions with him, the only reason he never left was he felt no one ever in Eve would trust him again as an FC if he left TEST. It had nothing to do with loyalty or "fun."
I mean that's deluded. Who cares if you leave a **** alliance? Totally understandable.
Stop being so mad all the time and join us out in the rest of the Eve Universe- the other side that is having fun.
Pretty sure you'd be the last on my list if I were to leave TEST, James315.
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Callduron
Corporate Scum Test Alliance Please Ignore
504
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Posted - 2013.08.19 09:16:00 -
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Elizabeth Aideron wrote:Callduron wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I agree. We must nerf friends!! Friends, hmmm, hadnt considered that actually. So coalitions are about friendships? Yes, and there's nothing stronger than the magic of friendship. This is like, thoroughly documented. Bull. Most coalitions are a house of cards built of people who hate each other but who hate the thought of risking their sov more. you got bitter really quickly
I'm not bitter. I really don't think people in the CFC like CFC management. I don't think SMA liked it when ordered to kick half their people. I don't think most members enjoyed the PAP-driven performance metrics contest. Nor did the more impoverished members like having to conform to TFI and Tengu doctrines at the start of the Fountain War.
I'm very sure that in the HBC the coalition was not about friendships. I doubt N3 is built on friendships.
It's about not losing space. Thus when TEST destroyed its coalition it started a sequence of events that lost us our space. And has left me with friends all over Eve, including friends in Goons as many of the people I flew with have sought new homes. CAOD: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. |
coldplasma
Serene Vendetta Li3 Federation
58
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Posted - 2013.08.19 10:11:00 -
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Thank you, Callduron! Your incisive insights into the CFC politik have been very helpful! |
Dragon Outlaw
Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda
168
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Posted - 2013.08.19 12:54:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Iamsamsara wrote:CCP does support coalitions, does your alliance not have blue standings with other alliances, or agreements with other alliances? I didnt say CCP was against coalitions, I just said they didnt make it an official mechanic, Dragon Outlaws post seemed to indicate CCP did make it an official mechanic. Setting standings and having a coalition is not the same thing.
Official or not, coalitions ARE happening and ARE getting bigger and bigger. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
554
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Posted - 2013.08.19 15:03:00 -
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Dragon Outlaw wrote:KuroVolt wrote:Iamsamsara wrote:CCP does support coalitions, does your alliance not have blue standings with other alliances, or agreements with other alliances? I didnt say CCP was against coalitions, I just said they didnt make it an official mechanic, Dragon Outlaws post seemed to indicate CCP did make it an official mechanic. Setting standings and having a coalition is not the same thing. Official or not, coalitions ARE happening and ARE getting bigger and bigger.
Yeeees, Im aware of that, and I think coalitions are great.
I was just pointing out CCP has nothing to do with it...
What and why are we even arguing? |
Telios Madronin
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
4
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Posted - 2013.08.19 15:17:00 -
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Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Is there a good reason for coalitions? Maybe a limited number of corps in an alliance? Maybe something else that isnt obvious? Because from where I stand it really Fs up the whole political scene. It makes it impossible for a new player and difficult for anyone to assess a corporations political position. And since the number one Meta game seems to be spying and double crossing I think any game mechanic that lends itself to that purpose should be abolished. Especially a made up one that isnt even real. Coalitions dont even actually exist but non the less, How many players have been judged for being in a certain coalition before they even knew what a coalition was?
I say either bring in the Coalitions to the game (ccp) or dump them and everyone join the largest alliance in your made up coalition.
Damned Alex
-1 for bad post and bad idea
If you can't understand coalitions, please just shut up and enjoy the benefits.
If you don't like being judged for being in your coalition, move along... |
Alexander Eisenhower
Thirtyplus Spaceship Samurai
19
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:22:00 -
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Telios Madronin wrote:Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Is there a good reason for coalitions? Maybe a limited number of corps in an alliance? Maybe something else that isnt obvious? Because from where I stand it really Fs up the whole political scene. It makes it impossible for a new player and difficult for anyone to assess a corporations political position. And since the number one Meta game seems to be spying and double crossing I think any game mechanic that lends itself to that purpose should be abolished. Especially a made up one that isnt even real. Coalitions dont even actually exist but non the less, How many players have been judged for being in a certain coalition before they even knew what a coalition was?
I say either bring in the Coalitions to the game (ccp) or dump them and everyone join the largest alliance in your made up coalition.
Damned Alex -1 for bad post and bad idea If you can't understand coalitions, please just shut up and enjoy the benefits. If you don't like being judged for being in your coalition, move along...
Being a part of N3 is one reason I chose Spaceship Samurai, just so you know. As for being a bad post, it sure has gotten a lot of attention. Said benefits are what I am trying to learn about. Since coalitions are not in game, I thought this the best place to ask. I have said nothing and certainly did not intend to shed any negative light on our coalition. We are the good guys after all, right? |
Elizabeth Aideron
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
116
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:50:00 -
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being in N3 has great benefits, like knowing that your sole purpose in life is to destroy the CFC (except when it's ******* around in providence) |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8604
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:02:00 -
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Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Being a part of N3 is one reason I chose Spaceship Samurai, just so you know.
lol
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worldlimits
The Brotherhood of Chaos Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
11
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:39:00 -
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Join pizza callduron.
Awoxing guranatees citizenship.
Actually bring corporate scum so we have hot buttsax like we use to in li3. |
Ersahi Kir
The Eminence Front SpaceMonkey's Alliance
313
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:20:00 -
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Callduron wrote:I'm not bitter. I really don't think people in the CFC like CFC management. I don't think SMA liked it when ordered to kick half their people. I don't think most members enjoyed the PAP-driven performance metrics contest. Nor did the more impoverished members like having to conform to TFI and Tengu doctrines at the start of the Fountain War.
I'm very sure that in the HBC the coalition was not about friendships. I doubt N3 is built on friendships.
It's about not losing space. Thus when TEST destroyed its coalition it started a sequence of events that lost us our space. And has left me with friends all over Eve, including friends in Goons as many of the people I flew with have sought new homes.
As a member of one of the smaller CFC entities I can tell you that you're wrong Callduron. The problem is that you're making assumptions and then projecting what you think the reality is, but if your assumptions are wrong then your projections are beyond laughable.
The problem with your assumptions is that you think we have a strong alliance identity and a weak coalition identity. I'm not sure about everyone else in SMA, but I personally have a strong coalition identity and a weaker alliance identity. That's not to say that I don't consider myself a monkey, that's far from the truth, but the inclusive nature of the CFC allows people to participate regardless of what their alliance ticker is.
If you need examples just look at the ice interdiction. The fleets are open to everyone in the CFC, which builds coalition identity. During the war we didn't form Goon baltec fleets and SMA baltec fleets, we just formed baltec fleets. I'm sure that the alliance leadership knows the line between SMA and the rest of the CFC, but for line members it's hard to see the difference. |
coldplasma
Serene Vendetta Li3 Federation
58
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:25:00 -
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If you need an example of strong alliance identity however, look no further than Test Alliance Please Ignore who are currently down several thousand members since the end of the war. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4196
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:45:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote:Callduron wrote:I'm not bitter. I really don't think people in the CFC like CFC management. I don't think SMA liked it when ordered to kick half their people. I don't think most members enjoyed the PAP-driven performance metrics contest. Nor did the more impoverished members like having to conform to TFI and Tengu doctrines at the start of the Fountain War.
I'm very sure that in the HBC the coalition was not about friendships. I doubt N3 is built on friendships.
It's about not losing space. Thus when TEST destroyed its coalition it started a sequence of events that lost us our space. And has left me with friends all over Eve, including friends in Goons as many of the people I flew with have sought new homes. As a member of one of the smaller CFC entities I can tell you that you're wrong Callduron. The problem is that you're making assumptions and then projecting what you think the reality is, but if your assumptions are wrong then your projections are beyond laughable. The problem with your assumptions is that you think we have a strong alliance identity and a weak coalition identity. I'm not sure about everyone else in SMA, but I personally have a strong coalition identity and a weaker alliance identity. That's not to say that I don't consider myself a monkey, that's far from the truth, but the inclusive nature of the CFC allows people to participate regardless of what their alliance ticker is. If you need examples just look at the ice interdiction. The fleets are open to everyone in the CFC, which builds coalition identity. During the war we didn't form Goon baltec fleets and SMA baltec fleets, we just formed baltec fleets. I'm sure that the alliance leadership knows the line between SMA and the rest of the CFC, but for line members it's hard to see the difference. We even had Fweddit fweets :) There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4196
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:46:00 -
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coldplasma wrote:If you need an example of strong alliance identity however, look no further than Test Alliance Please Ignore who are currently down several thousand members since the end of the war. Oh snap....
By the way, nice sov in Fountain. take better care of it than TEST did, thanks. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge
1209
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Posted - 2013.08.20 10:48:00 -
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Callduron wrote:Erotica 1 wrote: I have tried over the last couple of months to save Callduron. Unlike my friends such as Jimmy the Test Free hangar cleaner, Iamien the former TEST logistics now my logistics director, or Daquaris the former TEST spymaster and programmer (and certified somer blink thief), Callduron decided to stick around for his "honor" as an FC.
Seriously, in my personal discussions with him, the only reason he never left was he felt no one ever in Eve would trust him again as an FC if he left TEST. It had nothing to do with loyalty or "fun."
I mean that's deluded. Who cares if you leave a **** alliance? Totally understandable.
Stop being so mad all the time and join us out in the rest of the Eve Universe- the other side that is having fun.
Pretty sure you'd be the last on my list if I were to leave TEST, James315.
If only I had an isk for every time I heard that
I wish I was James' alt. That's one of the only ways I could be even more awesome. We should all strive to be like the saviour. Once you come back to high sec to live out the rest of Eve, perhaps you will come to realize that. Don't forget to buy a permit. If you will be FC'ing fleets of miners, they will all need permits as well.
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WarFireV
EveCorporation12315533 Pandemic Legion
111
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Posted - 2013.08.20 17:21:00 -
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In order to be James315 you need to be an amazing BF1942 player. |
Callduron
Corporate Scum Test Alliance Please Ignore
505
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Posted - 2013.08.21 04:06:00 -
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coldplasma wrote:If you need an example of strong alliance identity however, look no further than Test Alliance Please Ignore who are currently down several thousand members since the end of the war.
Alliances are still stronger than coalitions in terms of identity. There are still many people who have chosen to stick with Test. If the CFC lost all its space the ties you all have would scatter to the four winds, just as the ties of the HBC are now pretty much non-existant.
A number of those who have left have loyalty drilled down further to the corp level. ENLI left as a corp, as did DTHI and a number of the others.
As for the SMA dude of course you see yourself as CFC first, SMA second because you come from an embarassing alliance. You don't see Goons self-identifying as CFCers rather than Goons. CAOD: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. |
coldplasma
Serene Vendetta Li3 Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.08.21 06:37:00 -
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It's amazing how truly wrong you are, yet how right you think you are. |
Callduron
Corporate Scum Test Alliance Please Ignore
505
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Posted - 2013.08.21 09:53:00 -
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coldplasma wrote:It's amazing how truly wrong you are, yet how right you think you are.
Well we're both speaking on behalf of 70,000 other players most of whom we've not interacted with
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WooMod
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.21 10:15:00 -
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Callduron wrote:You don't see Goons self-identifying as CFCers rather than Goons.
Probably because we have SA to unite us rather than just EVE? You're in dreddit you should understand that.
Oh wait, you're in dreddit, of course you can't understand that.
Also all blues are goonbros and i'll be glad to lay down the my clones in your defense, until dear leader removes your blue status anyways. |
coldplasma
Serene Vendetta Li3 Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.08.21 10:30:00 -
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It's almost as if that ~alliance identity~ isn't actually a thing at all for people who aren't literal children. |
WarFireV
EveCorporation12315533 Pandemic Legion
111
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Posted - 2013.08.21 12:52:00 -
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I don't think half the members of DTHI know who Bobby Atlas even is. |
Dragon Outlaw
Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda
169
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Posted - 2013.08.21 15:00:00 -
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Callduron wrote: If the CFC lost all its space the ties you all have would scatter to the four winds, just as the ties of the HBC are now pretty much non-existant.
I'm not to sure about that anymore Callduron. I think CFC have become a pretty solid bloc (perhaps more then ever!). |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
429
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Posted - 2013.08.21 15:33:00 -
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Dragon Outlaw wrote:Callduron wrote: If the CFC lost all its space the ties you all have would scatter to the four winds, just as the ties of the HBC are now pretty much non-existant.
I'm not to sure about that anymore Callduron. I think CFC have become a pretty solid bloc (perhaps more then ever!).
A few would stay a few would go.
RZR for instance would be fine with or without the CFC, they are pretty autonomous on their own. A few of the others ...who knows, I imagine that a couple would run with CONDI regardless.
That all goes back to the the "are you in SOV for the fights?" or "are you in fights for the SOV?" thing. There are two types of players in null the ones in it for the space and the ones that are in it for the fights. I can PvE anywhere, the general scapping around is what makes null worth the extra energy. |
Max50
Parental Control
31
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:00:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote: I'm sure that the alliance leadership knows the line between SMA and the rest of the CFC, but for line members it's hard to see the difference.
That line is a 20+1 neut-red gang huh? |
Ersahi Kir
The Eminence Front SpaceMonkey's Alliance
328
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:36:00 -
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I like the part where the person from TEST calls another alliance embarrassing. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8618
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Posted - 2013.08.22 01:47:00 -
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Max50 wrote:Ersahi Kir wrote: I'm sure that the alliance leadership knows the line between SMA and the rest of the CFC, but for line members it's hard to see the difference. That line is a 20+1 neut-red gang huh?
remember when you were the resident cheerleader for raiden
their complete removal from nullsec and subsequent death must have devastated you :( Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
1091
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Posted - 2013.08.22 03:47:00 -
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"Quantity is a quality all it's own"
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Iszi
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
27
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Posted - 2013.08.22 05:02:00 -
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Ersahi Kir wrote:I like the part where the person from TEST calls another alliance embarrassing.
I like how everyone says how terrible TEST is while accepting all manner of ex-TEST into their corps/alliances. |
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