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Callduron
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Posted - 2011.12.06 07:37:00 -
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I'm not in the Forge at the moment but I assume Lonetrek is broadly similar to the Jita price trends. Here in Lonetrek, looking at the graph of the 20d Moving Average for the last year it starts under 5k, spikes to about 17k, then declines to about 11k, stays there for a few months, then in September starts moving up again.
In other words it's been behaving as Akita T predicts (fluctuating) rather than behaving as PMchem seems to be predicting (surefire price rise). |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2011.12.06 09:18:00 -
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Sangard wrote:There are enough stockpiles and I guess enough people out there still producing GS on a high sec planet with 20k taxes just because gathering and building stuff is their passion ... Have you done the math on how much it would cost, effectively, if you made GS from scratch? |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
519
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Posted - 2011.12.06 11:53:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Have you done the math on how much it would cost, effectively, if you made GS from scratch? You were, still are and will most likely keep on LOSING money by making GS from scratch ever since they were introduced and up to an unknowable point into the future.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
223
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Posted - 2011.12.06 13:57:00 -
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That's what I was getting at. The last time I did the math, I think I got a minimum cost of 60k pr unit. Obviously, the new taxes up that price 15-16k or so I think it was, so "enough people out there still producing GS" would be dumbasses better served making other things and gradually purchasing GS for a retirement package down the road. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2011.12.07 03:50:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Sangard wrote:There are enough stockpiles and I guess enough people out there still producing GS on a high sec planet with 20k taxes just because gathering and building stuff is their passion ... Have you done the math on how much it would cost, effectively, if you made GS from scratch?
Depends on how much you value your P1. If you value P1 at lowest sell prices then the total opportunity cost + taxes would be close to 60,000.
You could make them cheaper by using buy orders for P1, and a lot cheaper by buying P2, although you'd still be making a loss. |
Sangard
Firebrands
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Posted - 2012.01.03 10:04:00 -
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Your forget one thing. There a people out in space they do not think in such an economic way. They just build that stuff cause they will not buy anything for their production. I know a couple of people who play and think like this. And if I know some of them, my guess is, there are a lot more. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
492
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Posted - 2012.01.03 21:58:00 -
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I'll buy their GS at 16k if their time is free. No worries. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2012.01.04 03:31:00 -
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Sangard wrote:Your forget one thing. There a people out in space they do not think in such an economic way. They just build that stuff cause they will not buy anything for their production. I know a couple of people who play and think like this. And if I know some of them, my guess is, there are a lot more.
They don't matter much. They are usually laughably bad at the resource gathering task anyway, and their items keep getting transformed by smarter marketeers into more valuable items before they ever reach "true" consumers of those items.
I sell t1 hulls periodically. In the last 3 months, I've had production running for 3 weeks. I produce 65 a week of the 20-27mil hulls, and thats enough to match the production of a typical scatter gatherer for a year. Since I sold into the market peaks, its probable that I put 180 hulls into the hands of 180 pilots (or rather 60 pilots, some of whom were likely to consume a stack of those hulls blowing other peoples stuff up). ie my production purely satisfied demand.
Anyone that sells below mins costs, sells a lot of stock to people who will either resell the item, or melt the item - ie their turnover does not immediately reach anywhere near as high a percentage of actual end consumers, ie much less of their production satisfies demand. Consumers actually check the market a lot less frequently too, so they cherry pick a disproportionately small proportion of the underpriced stock.
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
581
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Posted - 2012.01.04 05:40:00 -
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Sangard wrote:Your forget one thing. There a people out in space they do not think in such an economic way. They just build that stuff cause they will not buy anything for their production. I know a couple of people who play and think like this. And if I know some of them, my guess is, there are a lot more.
Oh, there are lots of them out there, and the rest of us just buy their goods and either sell them for a profit or reprocess them down into base minerals and make something else (or sell the minerals).
Making GS from P2s today costs about 52k ISK (there's some sagging going on in P1/P2 prices). |
Trinkets friend
Obstergo NEM3SIS.
77
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Posted - 2012.01.04 06:04:00 -
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I bought 1 bil of GS back before the PI system even came along. Sold out for a healthy profit. Still can't believe they are only 16K/u. Keep dreaming the good dream, GS lovers, I'm sure you'll triple your ISk evnetually. I prefer to make do with simpler, faster stuff where I can triple my money in a week. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5620
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Posted - 2012.01.05 12:05:00 -
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By the time you hear about an opportunity, some puppermaster has already set it up for the snipe. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
704
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:03:00 -
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And then it seems GS are back up to 34k, seems people are seriously getting prepared for DUST. 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
109
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Posted - 2012.01.08 08:47:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:By the time you hear about an opportunity, some puppermaster has already set it up for the snipe.
That's information asymmetry, one of the most powerful weapons a trader got. |
Mantra Achura
Community for Justice BricK sQuAD.
74
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:52:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:And then it seems GS are back up to 34k, seems people are seriously getting prepared for DUST.
And planetary vehicles prices are pushed to new heights as well.
($).($) |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.01.09 00:33:00 -
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Mantra Achura wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:And then it seems GS are back up to 34k, seems people are seriously getting prepared for DUST. And planetary vehicles prices are pushed to new heights as well. ($).($)
Someone bought them up from 36k to 42k.
Then someone else bought them up to that 444,444 unit order at 64,444.44 just to see who held that order. |
Dimitryy
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
12
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:13:00 -
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Oh its this thread again |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
707
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:29:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Someone bought them up from 36k to 42k. Then someone else bought them up to that 444,444 unit order at 64,444.44 just to see who held that order. Managed to move some stock by selling peaked GS and buying PV at 34k...
Sadly I never got time buy more than 400k PV at that price. ;( 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
Mantra Achura
Community for Justice BricK sQuAD.
74
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Posted - 2012.01.09 18:44:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Mantra Achura wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:And then it seems GS are back up to 34k, seems people are seriously getting prepared for DUST. And planetary vehicles prices are pushed to new heights as well. ($).($) Someone bought them up from 36k to 42k. Then someone else bought them up to that 444,444 unit order at 64,444.44 just to see who held that order.
I've bought the 1.13 mill from 36k to 42k and two other guys bought the rest. |
pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.01.10 01:12:00 -
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Akita T wrote:It might still be better than investing in bonds, but again, it's not a sure thing.
confirming that if you bought GS at the start of December you were much better off than buying the typical crappy eveo MD bond.
GS daily average on Dec 1, 2011: 17,651 isk/u GS daily average on Jan 8, 2012: 28,000 isk/u (most recent complete, visible day of data)
those who followed Akita's guidance safely stayed out of this market and avoided the next Titans4U. welp! |
pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.01.10 01:19:00 -
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p.s. that post is really just because I know it will drive akita crazy not to respond, I apologize for the gnashing of teeth akita |
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
708
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Posted - 2012.01.10 02:12:00 -
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pmchem wrote:p.s. that post is really just because I know it will drive akita crazy not to respond, I apologize for the gnashing of teeth akita But no one knew exactly _WHEN_ it would jump in price, so you might have had to *oh the horror* let ISK sit still for a whole month or three before it doubled in value. 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2117
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Posted - 2012.01.11 19:08:00 -
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ahh goonanace systems
only made 7,000% return so far |
Amy Elteam
No Bull Ships
2
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Posted - 2012.01.12 01:33:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:ahh goonanace systems
only made 7,000% return so far
And you should clarify, for all those wierd people who use commas instead of decimal points, that you really mean 'seven thousand percent'.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
711
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Posted - 2012.01.13 08:50:00 -
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Amy Elteam wrote:Weaselior wrote:ahh goonanace systems
only made 7,000% return so far And you should clarify, for all those wierd people who use commas instead of decimal points, that you really mean 'seven thousand percent'. 7% is an excellent ROI for people here in MD~ 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
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