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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2013.08.20 08:02:00 -
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The last expansion was Wormholes and t3's.
I can only imagine if we ever got another expansion it would be superwormholes and t4's.
The winter patch should have at least one gamebreaking imbalance as usual.
Maybe they will give the Dominix another buff. God knows it needs it. Eve is Real |
Mirime Nolwe
Mantra of Pain
89
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Posted - 2013.08.20 09:04:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:Flamespar wrote:What do you think the next expansion will be about?
+1% here, -1% there and some new texture.
This mostly sums it up. This game it is in a stagnant mode for some years now. We just haven't any new thing to do, it's like a mouse in a wheel running and running over and over again without any purpose.
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Soporo
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Posted - 2013.08.20 10:59:00 -
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I dunno exactly but there's usually some kind of overt or covert Caldari nerf every expansion or two that can be counted on. Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
761
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Posted - 2013.08.20 11:19:00 -
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The next expansion will be a quest to kill the evil space dragon. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
650
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Posted - 2013.08.20 11:35:00 -
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Does anyone know if there is going to be an announcement made at Gamescon I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Dragon Outlaw
Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda
169
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Posted - 2013.08.20 11:36:00 -
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Whatever its gona be, do not put your expectations to high. This way, you`ll not be to disappointed. |
Elric Cole
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.20 12:05:00 -
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Mirime Nolwe wrote:Sura Sadiva wrote:Flamespar wrote:What do you think the next expansion will be about?
+1% here, -1% there and some new texture. This mostly sums it up. This game it is in a stagnant mode for some years now. We just haven't any new thing to do, it's like a mouse in a wheel running and running over and over again without any purpose.
Agreed! And I think many new(er) players quickly come to realise that there hasn't been any significant additions, in terms of new content, for quite some time; more +1 and -1 as stated above with the added bit and bob here and there...
So, how about a highly sophisticated, but very reclusive, alien(npc) race in new yet undiscovered systems, with extremely powerful new technology that would take very organised and well prepared team to defeat? Aliens in Eve?!?! Yeah, right! pfffff!
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1795
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Posted - 2013.08.20 13:21:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:Does anyone know if there is going to be an announcement made at Gamescon
Apparently yes. At least I keep reading it in threads about the forum, but I haven't actually seen any sources referenced. If anyone finds anything I would like to have a read myself, although it's probably a bit late if they actually release the expansion details over the next few days. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Takari
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
60
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Posted - 2013.08.20 13:48:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Flamespar wrote:Does anyone know if there is going to be an announcement made at Gamescon Apparently yes. At least I keep reading it in threads about the forum, but I haven't actually seen any sources referenced. If anyone finds anything I would like to have a read myself, although it's probably a bit late if they actually release the expansion details over the next few days.
The Eve, Dust, and CCP twitter accounts are dropping hints that there will be announcements Gamescom "Roll the dice, don't think twice. This is the way of things.
Welcome to EVE." ~ CCP Falcon |
Lord Ryan
True Xero True Zombies
844
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Posted - 2013.08.20 14:03:00 -
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What do you want it to be about?
Yeah well it will be the exact opposite.
Also gold bullets.
Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
209
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Posted - 2013.08.20 16:50:00 -
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Elric Cole wrote:So, how about a highly sophisticated, but very reclusive, alien(npc) race in new yet undiscovered systems, with extremely powerful new technology that would take very organised and well prepared team to defeat? Aliens in Eve?!?! Yeah, right! pfffff!
You mean Jove?
That was proposed million times before. New CQ prototype |
Elizabeth Aideron
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
127
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Posted - 2013.08.20 17:02:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The theme of the December release (for goodness sake's people, an expansion was Apochrypha, re-arranging deck chairs is not an expansion) will be announced in 3 or 5 days at GamesCom.
It will be focused on the continuing transfer of wealth generation from high sec to null sec, like the appropriation of a huge chunk of ice revenue and ore mining was. I fully expect to see the announcement of the beginning of the end of T2 mfg in high sec, and that null sec will eventually be the only place it can occur, which will dovetail nicely with the soon to be announced decimation of mfg and R&D station slots in high sec, and another order of magnitude in null sec station slots.
Before then, we will see the end of the Marauder as a mission boat as it is "re-balanced" into a PvP boat. The command ship and command link nerfs hurts everyone, but no one more than incursion runners. That is no co-incidence. And when CCP figures out the spaghetti code surrounding OGB's, that will also disappear with the winter release.
The cartels are issuing more propaganda about how they need renters to maintain their income streams. Frankly, the demand for rental space is unlikely to fill the space being offered, so CCP, in its ongoing efforts to turn Eve into NullSec Online, is going to have to incentivize players to want to go to null. That can only be done by wiping out high sec profitability and increasing null sec profitability.
So that is what the winter release will be about. CCP has been bleeding high sec by inches for a long time. But the bleeding will accelerate with the December release.
we can only hope that you're right, having to do anything in empire is pain-inducing |
Elizabeth Aideron
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
127
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Posted - 2013.08.20 17:03:00 -
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how about removing concord and instead making criminally-flagged players globally warpable with large npc bounties |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
181
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Posted - 2013.08.20 18:02:00 -
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Nothing that appeared in the last 2 fanfests. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
650
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Posted - 2013.08.21 06:08:00 -
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Great. So CCP is putting resources into another game.
Perhaps one day our subscriptions could be used to fund content for this game?
:( I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Elric Cole
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.08.21 09:31:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Elric Cole wrote:So, how about a highly sophisticated, but very reclusive, alien(npc) race in new yet undiscovered systems, with extremely powerful new technology that would take very organised and well prepared team to defeat? Aliens in Eve?!?! Yeah, right! pfffff! You mean Jove? That was proposed million times, to open the Jove space, and make Jove race playable.
No. I didn't mean Jove. Jove has been around for years and been closed to the general players as long - it's like a cake that's been sitting there off limited to almost all and has gotten stale in the mean time... not interested in an old cake or Jove! More interested in new content that IS accessible and available to all players. Forget Jove! |
Ellendras Silver
Honestly We didnt know
86
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Posted - 2013.08.21 09:46:00 -
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lets hope they going to fix drone GUI and the POS/role problems. because that REALY needs a fix rather before that but i fear it will be on long term plans |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11290
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Posted - 2013.08.21 09:52:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:What do you think the next expansion will be about?
Personally I'm hoping for something to rekindle my interest in this game.
Unfortunately all of the things I have been looking forward to seem to be firmly in the "soon" box with no hope of ever making it into the game (modular POS with interiors, comet mining, WiS).
I predict some minor tweaks and a "re-skinning" of an existing feature (production/ invention maybe)
Seagull announced the development theme for the next 2-3 years at this year's FanFest keynote IIRC.
You can find it on youtube, I believe.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11290
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Posted - 2013.08.21 09:59:00 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:Nothing that appeared in the last 2 fanfests. Tippia wrote:Arduemont wrote:We're not getting a Winter Expansion.
We haven't had an "expansion" since Crucible. GǪother than Inferno, Retribution, and Odyssey GÇö all of which added more tools to the game than we've seen in a looong time. Inferno, Retribution and Odyssey were really nothing special. If you added all three of them together, that might more along the lines of a single decent expansion. On their own they are just stopgaps.
You shouldn't really compare EVE expansions directly to the exapnsions of other MMOs, which usually offer one expansion every 2-3 years. If you look at how much has changed in the last 2 years, I think that the total holds up pretty well against any other game expansion you care to name.
If all you want is a massive changelog, then sure I guess CCP could have held all the development work for Crucible, Inferno and Retribution back and released it all with the Odyssey changes this April. Do you think that would be a better release model? I'd far rather have 25% now, another 25% in 6 months, another 25% 6 months after that and the rest 6 months after that than have to wait 2 years for the whole lot at once just for the sake of an "epic" patchlist.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11290
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Posted - 2013.08.21 10:01:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The theme of the December release (for goodness sake's people, an expansion was Apochrypha, re-arranging deck chairs is not an expansion) will be announced in 3 or 5 days at GamesCom.
It will be focused on the continuing transfer of wealth generation from high sec to null sec, like the appropriation of a huge chunk of ice revenue and ore mining was. I fully expect to see the announcement of the beginning of the end of T2 mfg in high sec, and that null sec will eventually be the only place it can occur, which will dovetail nicely with the soon to be announced decimation of mfg and R&D station slots in high sec, and another order of magnitude in null sec station slots.
Before then, we will see the end of the Marauder as a mission boat as it is "re-balanced" into a PvP boat. The command ship and command link nerfs hurts everyone, but no one more than incursion runners. That is no co-incidence. And when CCP figures out the spaghetti code surrounding OGB's, that will also disappear with the winter release.
The cartels are issuing more propaganda about how they need renters to maintain their income streams. Frankly, the demand for rental space is unlikely to fill the space being offered, so CCP, in its ongoing efforts to turn Eve into NullSec Online, is going to have to incentivize players to want to go to null. That can only be done by wiping out high sec profitability and increasing null sec profitability.
So that is what the winter release will be about. CCP has been bleeding high sec by inches for a long time. But the bleeding will accelerate with the December release.
These are all excellent ideas. I like your thinking, and I look forward to having the chance to vote for you for CSM9.
1 Kings 12:11
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Flamespar
Woof Club
650
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Posted - 2013.08.21 11:13:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Flamespar wrote:What do you think the next expansion will be about?
Personally I'm hoping for something to rekindle my interest in this game.
Unfortunately all of the things I have been looking forward to seem to be firmly in the "soon" box with no hope of ever making it into the game (modular POS with interiors, comet mining, WiS).
I predict some minor tweaks and a "re-skinning" of an existing feature (production/ invention maybe) Seagull announced the development theme for the next 2-3 years at this year's FanFest keynote IIRC. You can find it on youtube, I believe.
Delivering an exciting vision is the only thing that you can guarantee CCP will deliver.
I wasn't excited by the vision that CCP Seagull presented. Mainly because it sounded like an alliance only feature and she did a poor job of describing what's in it for the smaller corps and lurkers (which make up the majority of EVE players remember).
Also there a lots of abandoned features right now (WiS anyone) so why should we believer that CCP can deliver on any vision.
Lets talk what exciting things are coming in the short term. Not 6 - 8 years away. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2155
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Posted - 2013.08.21 11:19:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The theme of the December release (for goodness sake's people, an expansion was Apochrypha, re-arranging deck chairs is not an expansion) will be announced in 3 or 5 days at GamesCom.
It will be focused on the continuing transfer of wealth generation from high sec to null sec, like the appropriation of a huge chunk of ice revenue and ore mining was. I fully expect to see the announcement of the beginning of the end of T2 mfg in high sec, and that null sec will eventually be the only place it can occur, which will dovetail nicely with the soon to be announced decimation of mfg and R&D station slots in high sec, and another order of magnitude in null sec station slots.
Before then, we will see the end of the Marauder as a mission boat as it is "re-balanced" into a PvP boat. The command ship and command link nerfs hurts everyone, but no one more than incursion runners. That is no co-incidence. And when CCP figures out the spaghetti code surrounding OGB's, that will also disappear with the winter release.
The cartels are issuing more propaganda about how they need renters to maintain their income streams. Frankly, the demand for rental space is unlikely to fill the space being offered, so CCP, in its ongoing efforts to turn Eve into NullSec Online, is going to have to incentivize players to want to go to null. That can only be done by wiping out high sec profitability and increasing null sec profitability.
So that is what the winter release will be about. CCP has been bleeding high sec by inches for a long time. But the bleeding will accelerate with the December release. These are all excellent ideas. I like your thinking, and I look forward to having the chance to vote for you for CSM9. Why wait? Put them to CCP now and we can consign highsec to the scrapheap of history where it belongs. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
582
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Posted - 2013.08.21 11:23:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: You shouldn't really compare EVE expansions directly to the exapnsions of other MMOs, which usually offer one expansion every 2-3 years. If you look at how much has changed in the last 2 years, I think that the total holds up pretty well against any other game expansion you care to name.
Tirranid is correct. And is not in respect of other game, is in respect of what EVE development used to be.
One can get any pre-incarna expansion and do a comparation with any post-incarna one.
See Apocrypha: brought us: - A brand new space type, WH, that promoted a new gameplay for small alliances and new in game communities - A new, revolutionary, modular ship class to handle WH operations - New industry layer related to this - new NPC and AI and in general new PVE endgame - new PVP opportunities and concepts (due to WH chatracteristics, and strategic cruisers roles. - the ususal bunch of tweeks and fixes that now are sold as main feautures for the current expansions
Compare with Odissey: - A silly and boring hacking minigame - A so-called discovery scanner that is nothing but a blinking redesign of the same old scanner UI
And Apocrypha was a 3-months based expansion...
They sell us as "expansion", stuff that was used to be just only a minor side note in a true EVE expansion.
4 new destroyers and some new textures? wow, cool expansion... Instead Trinity alone brought in not only a total rewrite of the graphic engine but also 5 new classes of ships and 20 (TWENTY) new ships. All ships with new roles/functions, not just a copy of existing roles trought in just to give the impression of being at work (aka: T3 BC and new destoryers)
This is the difference. It's strategic. Even medicore expansions like Tyrannis, Dominion and Incursions were more relevant in EVE development and grow opportunities than the last ones. |
Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy
583
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Posted - 2013.08.21 11:24:00 -
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Boobs, definitely boobs....yep. Herping your derp since 19Potato --á[Proposal] - Ingame Visual Adverts |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
752
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Posted - 2013.08.21 11:27:00 -
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I think there will be no expansion for many more years - just usual patches (probably created by 10-15 people during couple weeks) with couple new modules and ships, some textures, and one very specific mini-game. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11290
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Posted - 2013.08.21 12:15:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The theme of the December release (for goodness sake's people, an expansion was Apochrypha, re-arranging deck chairs is not an expansion) will be announced in 3 or 5 days at GamesCom.
It will be focused on the continuing transfer of wealth generation from high sec to null sec, like the appropriation of a huge chunk of ice revenue and ore mining was. I fully expect to see the announcement of the beginning of the end of T2 mfg in high sec, and that null sec will eventually be the only place it can occur, which will dovetail nicely with the soon to be announced decimation of mfg and R&D station slots in high sec, and another order of magnitude in null sec station slots.
Before then, we will see the end of the Marauder as a mission boat as it is "re-balanced" into a PvP boat. The command ship and command link nerfs hurts everyone, but no one more than incursion runners. That is no co-incidence. And when CCP figures out the spaghetti code surrounding OGB's, that will also disappear with the winter release.
The cartels are issuing more propaganda about how they need renters to maintain their income streams. Frankly, the demand for rental space is unlikely to fill the space being offered, so CCP, in its ongoing efforts to turn Eve into NullSec Online, is going to have to incentivize players to want to go to null. That can only be done by wiping out high sec profitability and increasing null sec profitability.
So that is what the winter release will be about. CCP has been bleeding high sec by inches for a long time. But the bleeding will accelerate with the December release. These are all excellent ideas. I like your thinking, and I look forward to having the chance to vote for you for CSM9. Why wait? Put them to CCP now and we can consign highsec to the scrapheap of history where it belongs.
It wouldn't be proper to steal the glory rightly due to the architect of EVE's renewal.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11290
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Posted - 2013.08.21 12:17:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:Malcanis wrote: You shouldn't really compare EVE expansions directly to the exapnsions of other MMOs, which usually offer one expansion every 2-3 years. If you look at how much has changed in the last 2 years, I think that the total holds up pretty well against any other game expansion you care to name.
Tirranid is correct. And is not in respect of other game, is in respect of what EVE development used to be. One can get any pre-incarna expansion and do a comparation with any post-incarna one. See Apocrypha: brought us: - A brand new space type, WH, that promoted a new gameplay for small alliances and new in game communities - A new, revolutionary, modular ship class to handle WH operations - New industry layer related to this - new NPC and AI and in general new PVE endgame - new PVP opportunities and concepts (due to WH chatracteristics, and strategic cruisers roles. - the ususal bunch of tweeks and fixes that now are sold as main feautures for the current expansions Compare with Odissey: - A silly and boring hacking minigame - A so-called discovery scanner that is nothing but a blinking redesign of the same old scanner UI And Apocrypha was a 3-months based expansion... They sell us as "expansion", stuff that was used to be just only a minor side note in a true EVE expansion. 4 new destroyers and some new textures? wow, cool expansion... Instead Trinity alone brought in not only a total rewrite of the graphic engine but also 5 new classes of ships and 20 (TWENTY) new ships. All ships with new roles/functions, not just a copy of existing roles trought in just to give the impression of being at work (aka: T3 BC and new destoryers) This is the difference. It's strategic. Even medicore expansions like Tyrannis, Dominion and Incursions were more relevant in EVE development and grow opportunities than the last ones.
1) Apocrypha was a 1-off exception 2) It was the last in a series of "task expanding" expansions that left a massive "technical debt" of ideas that had been introduced half-formed and never iterated on. CCP have spent most of their effort in the last 2 years to address that debt with "task improvement" expansions, with a minimum of new features and a maximum of long awaited, urgently needed iteration on existing features. And thank God for that. 3) Did you even watch Seagull's keynote presentation?
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Aims 'Amy' Loh
Bareback Pornstars Carthage Empires
0
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Posted - 2013.08.21 12:32:00 -
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Earlier expansions included much more new content because it's much easier to build new content at the beginning of a game than at the end when there is already considerable structure and system. This is obvious?
Considering the number of ships in game already, we can't expect new ships.
Continuing improvement on the interface and expanding what's possible even without adding anything new are steps ahead. But seems there are plans to add new things. I believe this is the video of the 2013 keynote speech. Long video but I'll rewatch http://youtu.be/VXYu5oUc0p4 |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1803
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Posted - 2013.08.21 13:02:00 -
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What about the difference between Crucible and the last three expansions? Comparing the legendary Apocrypha to the last three may be a little extreme, but you can't say the same for Crucible. Crucible certainly contained more content than probably two of more of the previous three put together. If you didn't already see my post about that then it's below;
Arduemont wrote: The trouble with those "patches" (I wont use the word expansion), is that they gave us stuff that only affected a small portion of the player-base each time. Crucible gave us Time Dilation, Customs Offices, the New Nebular, the biggest contribution to V3 so far, implants on killmails, the tier 3 BCs as well as three racial captains quarters.
The previous three patches just don't compare to that. Almost every item on that list affected near enough everyone. And it had a bigger list of fixes and balancing than Inferno to boot.
Inferno we saw Factional Warfare rejig, and a change in the war dec mechanic that people are still crying out to have changed. The rest was balancing of ui fixes. Sure, I war dec, but the new system changed almost nothing for me.
It's pretty much the same story with every release after that. They're cool, but they're not expansions.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Prince Kobol
877
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Posted - 2013.08.21 13:23:00 -
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Novah Soul wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Flamespar wrote:What do you think the next expansion will be about?
Personally I'm hoping for something to rekindle my interest in this game.
Unfortunately all of the things I have been looking forward to seem to be firmly in the "soon" box with no hope of ever making it into the game (modular POS with interiors, comet mining, WiS).
I predict some minor tweaks and a "re-skinning" of an existing feature (production/ invention maybe) Boobies and more phallic shaped ships Can't go wrong with boobs... and...er... phallic objects, if that's your thing....
Animal Vegetable or mineral, I will do anything to anything :
On a more serious note,whilst the iterations are nice and are long needed, there are the big white elephants such as Sov Warfare, PoS's, the fact that you can earn more isk in HS in relativity safety then you ever could in null that need attention, but to be honest I have long since given up on CCP address those issues.
In fact I have given up thinking CCP will ever be innovative and awe inspiring again
Until CCP rediscover their mojo and claim out of their safety net, we will just have to deal with iterations iterations and more iterations. |
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