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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1070
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Posted - 2013.08.19 20:36:00 -
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Lee Saisima wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:You mean such as changing plexes so that the timer doesn't run down with NPCs present, so that you can no longer AFK a plex by speed tanking around the button in a turretless nano frig? That certainly seems to have slowed them down. Lee Saisima wrote:As you point out yourself, it's the ability to mass-spawn alts that is the root of this problem
It's not even mass spawning alts. It's that mass spawned alts can be used to do it, to the point of being more time and training efficient than using an actual skilled character. You never get any better or more efficient at orbiting a button than you are on day one out of the CC. I can sign up 30 accounts today; I cannot take them and go run an Incursion with ISBoxer. What I can do is enlist a third of them in FW and start my own agricultural co-op that churns out isk faster than pretty much anything else in the game. Even the startup for miners is more demanding. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
450
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:37:00 -
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Buff isboxer? "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Chidori Ukyo
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
0
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Posted - 2013.08.20 00:47:00 -
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Transmaritanus has brought up an issue for GD. In short, it is parasitism.
Eve is a complex dynamic system. Within such systems, we will always find various forms of Parasitism. It is to be expected. As such, it must be continually addressed.
There are two ways in which parasites can be handled. One is for the entities within the system to adapt and fight the parasites on their own. This can be compared to biological systems arms races. We have been doing this for quite some time. I have multiple stab + cloak kills on my board too.
However, the issue has reached a tipping point where we can go no longer handle the parasites in the form and numbers that they have reached on our own.
We therefore must resort to the second form of handling the parasites. We must have CCP make changes to the system's inherent flaws. Through the course of the discussion, we have pretty well established that they do exist and what they are.
Ideas have been brought forth, and apparently the thread was moved to F&ID.
So here they are, CCP: 1)Timer Rollback or Reset - This idea has been fairly well hashed out. The overwhelming consensus among the non-parasites is that this will work well, and is in theme with the entire concept of FW. Do it. You keep what you kill. --Chronicles of Riddick
2)The Cloaking Issue- Idea: Have the platform or beacon target the person attempting to capture the plex, give it a targetting range 2x the distance of the capture range. Perhaps another idea would be to increase the prereqs for cloak usage or adjust the mechanics in some creative way to keep them from cloaking within the capture range, or from cloaking if they have left the capture range within a certain amount of time. Perhaps something like a pos' force field?
I have to ask: Is cloaking really an issue at the core of the parasitism? I'm going to vacillate on this one. I hate that they are used in the way that they are. However, I must concede that many use them with Stealth Bombers. If we take cloaking away from people inside our FW Plexes, we must also take them away from Mission Running Stealth Bombers. You know who you are. Imho, this issue gets a pass. For now.
3)Warp Core Stabilizers- Ideas: make the plex dead space act much like a warp bubble, the only way out is a warp gate. Someone mentioned HICs. Seth Darkness, iirc. Perhaps you are not familiar with low sec. I will let the others bash you for your ignorance of our ways. That said, another idea would be to bring back warp bubbles and interdiction spheres to low sec! (yea, right. that's going to happen)
4)System Upgrades should affect the passive defenses of the plex in some fashion. We are throwing LP at the system core. it ought to be able to afford a few extra ships to help defend the plex and make it harder for poorly fit people to take them. Increase the risk.
5)Plexes are now more numerous. Limit the number of available plexes of a single size to one, that way they can not just pop another of the same size and run between them. Keeping the numbers up is a good thing, making all of them available at once is not. There have been time when it has gone beyond annoying. This will also help force more fights.
6)Concord Status: Neutrals and non-flashy Pirates. Idea: Activation of the entry warp gate requires safety set to yellow and automatically set suspect when activated. We should not be penalized for defending our territory! Reasoning: There are numerous groups within FW that are Anti-Pirate. The problem is that we must adjust our RoE while defending/attacking a plex.
7)D-Plexing Farmers: No ready solution has yet been presented that I am aware of. These would most likely harken back to the cloaking and stabbing issues and ideas presented earlier. This would mean that NOBODY should be able to cloak within the capture range of a plex + prohibition distance.
PS: I have to give props to the following people: Benny Ohu, Steve Ronuken, Domanique Altares, and even Transmaritus himself.
PSS: I would like to think that I speak for the majority of the non-parasitic FW community when I say that we enjoy our fights.
F the Farmers ..i..
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
10
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Posted - 2013.08.20 16:47:00 -
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Please implement timer rollbacks asap. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
15
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Posted - 2013.09.05 16:58:00 -
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Bump. |
Irsam Samri
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2013.09.05 18:01:00 -
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I did fw farming on 3 alts for a month or so. Its very boring and incredibly easy, you can capture a system based on the 30 seconds lead you have going into the new plex while the defender hunting you catches up. I've had people bounce around chasing me for over an hour and I still manage to capture 1-2 plexes without any risk and minimal effort. It boils down to a slow game of pong, I just have to move my token from a to b. I'm a pvp fan, but why not, if I can make 60 mil an hour with no risk, who wouldn't? The funny part is, newer players wouldn't control many alts at the same time, or have the dscan sense to make it risk free.
The adverse reaction to changing the mechanics honestly makes me suspect there is bot program that runs fw plexes and people have a lot to lose, since its easier to write a script for hitting than mining atm.
as someone with experience as a farmer.
My suggestion is simple and easy:
Defensive plexing works slightly faster than offensive plexing, not a complete reset, but allows the defender to actually defend a system if they choose to cat and mouse a farmer. And increase capture time based on the amount of people in the plex, for example 75% for each additional person other than the first with a 20% stacking penalty |
Phaade
Debitum Naturae
95
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Posted - 2013.09.05 20:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Victoria Sin wrote:Typical Tippia response to absolutely everything. No, only to posts that purport to GǣsolveGǥ some kind of problem without explaining what the actual problem is or why it needs to be solved. Quote:Apparently the game mechanics were conceived of by a deity, are set in stone, perfect and nobody should change them at all, ever. If you say soGǪ But I don't think anyone who has actually played the game will agree with you.
Really? I love the isk you can make from plex farming like everyone else.....
But should orbitting around some stupid little with no risk structure should not be so profitable. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
15
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Posted - 2013.09.06 14:37:00 -
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Timer rollbacks are an easy step in the right direction. Farming will never go away, but that doesn't mean we can't make a dent in it. |
Sgt Ocker
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.09.08 13:06:00 -
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I find this all quite comical. We have a few people here complaining about not being able to kill some guy running a plex, in Faction Warfare. It is quite clear from some of the replies, many of you have never run FW plexes, they are not always the easy income you suggest in a solo situation. You not only have to look out for enemy militia but are a target for anyone who enters the system. Because a FW member (generally solo in the plex) chooses to run from a gang trying to kill him who are actually not a part of FW but in fact only there for pvp (and like the op, looking for easy kills that might stand a chance of escaping). Yes FW is meant to generate pvp but when a FW player doing what he signed up for, Capturing and upgrading systems by capturing plex's, decides to run away from a gang of neuts trying to kill him , not as part of FW (they can't capture the plex or contribute to FW at all because they do not belong to a militia) but simply because he is there and they have the right to kill him.
Now if you want more FW pvp and not just ganking rights in FW space, join a militia.
There is a simple way to fix some of the problems with FW and increase plex pvp. Reduce LP payouts slightly. Make it so that only members of a militia can engage an enemy militia member in plexes. Change the mechanic so that once you enter a plex you can't warp out until it completes (or you lose your ship). If it is a novice plex only 1 enemy militia can enter to try and take it from the person trying to capture it. If it is a small, 2 enemy militia may enter to kill and capture the plex but both (if they survive) must remain in the plex to complete it. A medium would allow up to 3 to enter. A large is unlimited, that way those running large plexes also face the greatest risk. Have rollbacks for timers, if a person in a plex is engaged the timer actually counts backwards while the fight is going on, the winner of the fight picks up the remainder of the timer to complete the plex. EG; player A enters novice plex with 10 min timer, after 7 mins player B from opposing militia enters and engages player A for control of the plex, the fight last 2 mins 30 ses, leaving 4 min 30sec remaining on the timer, the winner of the fight then only has 5 min 30 sec to complete the capture. This might actually encourage more to join FW but probably not because many only want kills and FW is their chosen easy killzone.
The non militia pvper's are free to hunt and fight whoever they choose outside plexes, after all it is lowsec but plex's would be there there for militia members only. |
angelmaker79
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.09.08 14:48:00 -
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how to fix broken plexing mechanics.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=275735&find=unread |
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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
134
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Posted - 2013.09.08 15:02:00 -
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WTF is this game coming to? Nonconsensual PVEers are carebearing in your system and your response is to whine about it on the forums? SHOOT THEM! If they don't die, shoot them again. Shoot them harder. Scan them down and kill them. Pod them without mercy and warp scramble their corpses.
They're not required to die any more than you are required to mine veldspar.
lulz |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1367
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Posted - 2013.09.08 16:14:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:WTF is this game coming to? Nonconsensual PVEers are carebearing in your system and your response is to whine about it on the forums? SHOOT THEM! If they don't die, shoot them again. Shoot them harder. Scan them down and kill them. Pod them without mercy and warp scramble their corpses.
They're not required to die any more than you are required to mine veldspar.
lulz
Oh, hey. An ignorant who doesn't read. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1405
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Posted - 2013.09.08 16:28:00 -
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hot damn it's this thread, the one with me being right all over it
mayhaw morgan has never considered knowledge or experience on a topic prerequisites to commenting without looking like a tool |
HolidayDerp derf
Federation DC
1
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Posted - 2013.09.08 17:08:00 -
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Step one:buy scorp with 4scrams 2 webs and 2 long points Step two:dont let whatever it is your shooting at run away Step three: dont cry its okay |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1405
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Posted - 2013.09.08 17:12:00 -
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ok thx brb yolo |
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