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Kroy Steiner
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:41:00 -
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Hello all. New guy here, and I'm wondering what different careers there are for a new pilot to get into. I want to point out that I'm looking for a career as opposed to a hobby. I'll give an example; from what I've been reading online, piracy is actually a hobby, not a career....evidently you can make some cash at it, but generally speaking you lose more money than you make. Many people suggest having an industrial main and pirating with your alt. So to me, piracy sounds like a hobby. I'm looking for job to specialize in that offers advancement, a positive cash flow, and can be done by one character without support toons or wealthy main characters.
From what I've gathered, there is: 1) PvE- missions running...seemed fun at first, but honestly a little repetitive 2) PvP/ FW- might be a decent fit because I do enjoy PvP in other games 3) Mining- Can be a great moneymaker, but potentially boring 4) Freight hauling- this actually really appeals to me, but it seems the only way to make money at it is by joining a huge corp like red frog/ black frog 5) Working the market- Arg. I'd rather watch grass grow 6) Exploration/ survey- this sounds kind of cool, but can you make cash at it and does it stay interesting? 7) Bounty hunting- or is it only a hobby? 8) Manufacturing- I guess you sit at the market and build ships? Not my thing
So what have I missed? I don't mean to sound negative, that's a lot more types of gameplay than the vast majority of MMO's out there, I just want to make sure I haven't overlooked something in EVE that I might really enjoy. I'd also love to hear people's thoughts on the ones I've listed, especially in regards to how lucrative they can be or how boring/ hard to get into.
Thanks in advance.
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2033
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:42:00 -
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I kill people, then I make them mad because I'm a goon. |
Jim Era
7481
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:46:00 -
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why don't we have both? |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1083
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:51:00 -
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The only one that looks remotely like you'd like it is hauling. For max isk, you should probably join RedFrog or another big corp service. If you want to have fun as an independent, join the Haulers Channel and work for yourself. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Orlacc
377
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:52:00 -
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Here "Measure Twice, Cut Once." |
Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
152
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Posted - 2013.08.20 23:04:00 -
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No offense but this is taking "no life" to a whole another level. You want a career, not a hobby, in a game that you play as a hobby.
Anyway, my advice would be to study the market closely and find something you can use to make money. It's better than a "career" as a mission runner which makes you want to hang yourself while chewing on a cyanide capsule. |
Kroy Steiner
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.20 23:13:00 -
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I appreciate the input people have given. Domanique, thanks for the info on the Hauler's Channel.
Bischopt wrote:No offense but this is taking "no life" to a whole another level. You want a career, not a hobby, in a game that you play as a hobby.
I see that is your interpretation of my question. Maybe I should have simply asked "what can you do in EVE?", but I was trying to be more descriptive, in order to get more informed replies. I had a trial account 6.5 years ago (that's why my toon looks old), but I'm brand new to EVE. it is unlike any game I've played before. Considering that, I don't think my question is odd...I simply don't want to dump tons of SP and time into underwater basket weaving if I'm not going to enjoy underwater basked weaving or earn cash at it in the long run. If trying to get the most enjoyment out of a game labels me as having no life, then guilty as charged. |
Kat Bandeis
Border Zone Excursions 1121 Ventures
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Posted - 2013.08.20 23:13:00 -
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The only real advancements in this game are Industry (starter ammo, up to Invention, to POS; maybe PI included here) and missioning (advance to larger and larger ships, climbing up thru the ranks into L5 missioning). PVP is a drain on income, exploration is a mess, and everything else is just something to do when you're bored (including mining). |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3992
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Posted - 2013.08.20 23:16:00 -
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Kroy Steiner wrote:Hello all. New guy here, and I'm wondering what different careers there are for a new pilot to get into. I want to point out that I'm looking for a career as opposed to a hobby. I'll give an example; from what I've been reading online, piracy is actually a hobby, not a career....evidently you can make some cash at it, but generally speaking you lose more money than you make. Many people suggest having an industrial main and pirating with your alt. So to me, piracy sounds like a hobby. I'm looking for job to specialize in that offers advancement, a positive cash flow, and can be done by one character without support toons or wealthy main characters.
From what I've gathered, there is: 1) PvE- missions running...seemed fun at first, but honestly a little repetitive 2) PvP/ FW- might be a decent fit because I do enjoy PvP in other games 3) Mining- Can be a great moneymaker, but potentially boring 4) Freight hauling- this actually really appeals to me, but it seems the only way to make money at it is by joining a huge corp like red frog/ black frog 5) Working the market- Arg. I'd rather watch grass grow 6) Exploration/ survey- this sounds kind of cool, but can you make cash at it and does it stay interesting? 7) Bounty hunting- or is it only a hobby? 8) Manufacturing- I guess you sit at the market and build ships? Not my thing
So what have I missed?
Check the Making ISK guide, I think you left out scamming, exploitation and wardecs :)
Mission-running will lead to you cutting off your own fingers just to relieve the boredom.
Read Susan Black's Guide to Faction War Plexing for some insight to Faction Warfare ISK-making.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Ryu Ibarazaki
The Nyan Cat Pirates
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Posted - 2013.08.20 23:20:00 -
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Kroy Steiner wrote: So to me, piracy sounds like a hobby.
Wait, what? My pirate career counselor lied to me?
Do what makes you happy man, and you'll figure out in time how to incorporate isk-making with it.
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Kroy Steiner
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.20 23:21:00 -
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Orlacc, thanks for the chart, very cool.
And to the recent posters, thank you as well! These are the kind of informative replies I was hoping for. I will absolutely check out Susan Black's guide, that sounds right up my alley. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3476
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Posted - 2013.08.20 23:27:00 -
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I've heard the goon profit from killing people in highsec, but Gevlon Goblin says goon is broke so who knows? The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
196
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Posted - 2013.08.20 23:27:00 -
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Being emperor is one you missed. That one though is a bit tricky to implement. "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
453
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Posted - 2013.08.20 23:55:00 -
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Corporate scams screwing other people over.
Working hard in EVE will make you bored out of your skull.
The game is designed for corrupt minded people. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Kroy Steiner
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.08.21 00:18:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Corporate scams screwing other people over.
Working hard in EVE will make you bored out of your skull.
The game is designed for corrupt minded people.
Ahhh...so one vote for outfitting a capital ship or BS and seeing how long I can solo in Null-sec. Got it. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3089
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Posted - 2013.08.21 00:20:00 -
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reserved Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Mei Ree
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.21 00:27:00 -
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Kroy Steiner wrote:Ioci wrote:Corporate scams screwing other people over.
Working hard in EVE will make you bored out of your skull.
The game is designed for corrupt minded people. Ahhh...so one vote for outfitting a capital ship or BS and seeing how long I can solo in Null-sec. Got it.
Or you could take the time to listen to what that person is trying to tell you: why work hard to make money yourself when you could take other people's money from them? It is a basic work multiplier scheme: join a corporation, earn their trust, get access to the corp wallet and hangars, then steal everything that isn't nailed down.
This can be quite lucrative, especially if you help the corp expand and become profitable before you clean them out.
Seriously, some people need to be spoon fed, don't they? |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
538
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Posted - 2013.08.21 00:48:00 -
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OP you so look like a James 315 clone Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1083
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Posted - 2013.08.21 00:51:00 -
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Kroy Steiner wrote: I will absolutely check out Susan Black's guide, that sounds right up my alley.
LOL. A career, indeed. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Kroy Steiner
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.08.21 01:10:00 -
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Mei Ree wrote: Seriously, some people need to be spoon fed, don't they?
Sarcasm is lost on some people. You make it too easy. |
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Kroy Steiner
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.21 01:12:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:OP you so look like a James 315 clone
No idea who james 315 is, but I can tell you this much about him...he's not very original. This was the first "random" male toon to pop up in character creation. I couldn't care less what he looks like, I don't play him. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10454
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Posted - 2013.08.21 01:41:00 -
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Exploration has been and is still a good ISK maker.
The trick is to first do a little bit of research via Star Map stats. Look for areas with low population, low amount of jumps, low amount of NPC kills, etc. Exploration requires a lot of traveling too so it's a good idea to set up multiple 'Bases Of Operation' in the various areas you've selected. High skills and top equipment will also help increase your chances to quickly get the good loot.
The Named Combat sites and DED's - Cosmic Signatures - is where you'll find the good loot, not in Relic or Data sites. A few Cosmic Anomalies will randomly spawn Commander NPC's and also escalate to expedition so it's a good idea to run those if you don't have any Combat Signatures available.
Good luck to you and welcome back to Eve.
DMC |
Mei Ree
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.08.21 01:45:00 -
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Kroy Steiner wrote:Sarcasm is lost on some people. You make it too easy.
Sarcasm is a fine art you have clearly mastered,. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3684
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Posted - 2013.08.21 08:36:00 -
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How can piracy not be a career? And where's ganking?
Just because people do it as a hobby' doesn't mean it can't be a career choice.
What ever you do fulltime is your career. It doesn't depend on what others think about it.
Furthermore can you do several things at once, like being a pirating explorer.
Don't categorize the game like that. That line of thinking just reduces your freedom of choice. |
Rhea Rankin Nolen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.08.21 08:53:00 -
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You could try the interesting pvp/pve mix of ninja salvaging! Good ISK for a begginer and newb friendly. Bonus tear harvesting potential, if you're into that. |
culo duro
The Bootcamp EveryoneVersusEveryone.com.
221
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Posted - 2013.08.21 12:52:00 -
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Piracy a hobby you want to do, do it in HS! kill all the people! |
Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy
586
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:42:00 -
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I semk-afk mine while I read/research stuff on my second monitor. For the minimal concentration required you can make a fair bit of ISK. Then when I actually want to have fun I go roaming in low for PVP or Exploration, maybe some missions with friends (solo missions are boring). Herping your derp since 19Potato --á[Proposal] - Ingame Visual Adverts |
Jezza McWaffle
The-Hole-Idea Void-Legion
57
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:20:00 -
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One word. And it starts with a W. and ends with 'hole'. Somewhere between there is a 'orm' |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
643
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:40:00 -
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Piracy can definately be a 'carreer' but as everything it requires planning, patience, and good use of the various game mechanics. Ganking or suspect baiting is an option, the ceiling of your income is actually defined by the amount of stupid & lazy you encounter instead of hardcoded values like loot tables or invention chances. Messing with other people's industrial processes outside of hisec could potentially net your their produce / cargo / ransom / tears.
That doesn't mean a person doing this has to abstain from PVE or anything. On the contrary, lowsec income levels have recently been buffed by the security tags, and gaining back sec stat has become way easier / faster. I wouldn't consider myself a 'true pirate' but for our band of lowsec villains life is pretty good at the moment. As Solstice said, don't limit yourself too much by strict categorization. I do all kinds of things on my main, some things better then others. Some call me a pirate, others do business with me. The game isn't that black and white, it's more about acting on oppurtunities through some moral lens / online persona and the SP and experience you have built up.
One thing I disagree on with Mr. Solstice is the perception of others. As soon as other people are starting to categorize you, you've affected the world. I consider that an important bit of the players = content argument. Then again, it does usually come forth from your most obvious activities, my point is merely that it's up to you whether you want to push a certain image or let that develop naturally. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3691
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Posted - 2013.08.22 00:02:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Piracy can definately be a 'carreer' but as everything it requires planning, patience, and good use of the various game mechanics. Ganking or suspect baiting is an option, the ceiling of your income is actually defined by the amount of stupid & lazy you encounter instead of hardcoded values like loot tables or invention chances. Messing with other people's industrial processes outside of hisec could potentially net your their produce / cargo / ransom / tears.
That doesn't mean a person doing this has to abstain from PVE or anything. On the contrary, lowsec income levels have recently been buffed by the security tags, and gaining back sec stat has become way easier / faster. I wouldn't consider myself a 'true pirate' but for our band of lowsec villains life is pretty good at the moment. As Solstice said, don't limit yourself too much by strict categorization. I do all kinds of things on my main, some things better then others. Some call me a pirate, others do business with me. The game isn't that black and white, it's more about acting on oppurtunities through some moral lens / online persona and the SP and experience you have built up.
One thing I disagree on with Mr. Solstice is the perception of others. As soon as other people are starting to categorize you, you've affected the world. I consider that an important bit of the players = content argument. Then again, it does usually come forth from your most obvious activities, my point is merely that it's up to you whether you want to push a certain image or let that develop naturally. Great post! |
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