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Naginataii
Posted - 2005.12.31 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Naginataii on 31/12/2005 19:58:38 Hi, we are a small corp, hardworking and tightly nit, of all fairly new players and most 90% below 1million SP. We want something kind of long term to work towards (nothing too long term, i.e less than 6months) to give us a aim or goal. Some members suggested Titains, but that might be a little out our reach . So we thaught that prehaps we should set up a small POS in 0.0 to hunt rats and act as an base of operations and prehaps meybe abit of mining and/or production on the sideline to help either keep it running or keep our members kitted out with ships. I have done some reading around and got a basic idea, but we would like it if some one knew a good base setup that is fairly cheep (comparativly) to set up and run, since we will only have a around 200million capitol to start with. What we need to make our base of operations, and how much would it roughly cost to keep it running and what kind of defence it would need in 0.0. Here is an attempt at what setup we could use as the starter POS --- 1x Minmatar small control tower 3x corporate hanger arrays to stash a hoard of loot for selling, or turning in to minirals for making gear for our members. 1x Moon harvesting array to also get some minirals 1x Silo and for defence 1x large artillery Battery 2x medium Autocannon this would cost as an estimate around 132 million which is in our reach. But have no idea how it would cost to keep running and have enough profit so our members and still buy new ships and mods. Any help would be greatly welcomed.
Naginataii
Posted - 2005.12.31 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Naginataii on 31/12/2005 19:58:38 Hi, we are a small corp, hardworking and tightly nit, of all fairly new players and most 90% below 1million SP. We want something kind of long term to work towards (nothing too long term, i.e less than 6months) to give us a aim or goal. Some members suggested Titains, but that might be a little out our reach . So we thaught that prehaps we should set up a small POS in 0.0 to hunt rats and act as an base of operations and prehaps meybe abit of mining and/or production on the sideline to help either keep it running or keep our members kitted out with ships. I have done some reading around and got a basic idea, but we would like it if some one knew a good base setup that is fairly cheep (comparativly) to set up and run, since we will only have a around 200million capitol to start with. What we need to make our base of operations, and how much would it roughly cost to keep it running and what kind of defence it would need in 0.0. Here is an attempt at what setup we could use as the starter POS --- 1x Minmatar small control tower 3x corporate hanger arrays to stash a hoard of loot for selling, or turning in to minirals for making gear for our members. 1x Moon harvesting array to also get some minirals 1x Silo and for defence 1x large artillery BatterEVE Online | EVE Insider | Forums
Jozeph Spinne
Posted - 2005.12.31 20:27:00 -
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If I may give you piece of advice. Do Not try to go to 0.0 and setup a POS. Even if by some miracle you wont be traced and your indies destroyed en route - your POS will become a target and will be destroyed within two weeks, if not days. POS Are used to mark territory and produce materiel for T2 components. Most of the time POS is setup by Large Corporations, and by Allainces with many hundreds of people working in unison and under same banner. I doubt your ability, as a small corp, to hold on to anything in 0.0 for more than few hrs. You probably will have great difficulty handling a conventional Empire war, much less a unilateral hostility and raveges of Lawless Space. If you are looking for a goal then try to set your sights on Establishing a 5.0 Corp/faction Standing with whomever you are currently running agents with. This will give you an ability to install a POS in Empire with greater security. At the same time it will take you at least 6-7 months, depending on how you run your corp, of consistent agent running to obtain the standing. In any event, good luck to whatever your endeavour might be.
Naginataii
Posted - 2005.12.31 21:03:00 -
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ok thanks for the helpfull reply. I thaught 0.0 would be out of the question. What about low sec rat hunting i.e 0.1 or something. Is it still abit daft trying to create a POS in anywhere but empire space?
Castor IV
Posted - 2005.12.31 21:07:00 -
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I agree with the previous post, dont even try to setup a POS in 0.0 if you dont want to loose it very fast, that is if you would even manage to get it launched in 0.0 for starter. You could try to go for a low sec system but even that is not an easy task if you are a small corp just starting out your operations.
Castor IV
Posted - 2005.12.31 21:11:00 -
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POS are there mainly to claim sovereignty or to be able to make T2 components through reactions of the moon raws. To have it as a base for rat hunting would seem to me as a waste of ISK and also dont forget you have to fuel those babys 24/7.
Naginataii
Posted - 2005.12.31 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Naginataii on 31/12/2005 21:43:05 alright, I get ya. 0.0 = no go. <0.4 will be hard to accomplish. and just using it as a rat hunting base will be throwing isks down the drain keeping it running. Ok another question. What size and how easy is it to make a POS self suffient, i.e what needs to be done to make a small one generate enough isk to be able to pay for its operation? Will mining raws or just simply refining it then selling it be enough? If so what structures would be needed and how much. Or even just basic T1 construction.
phillip duncan
Posted - 2005.12.31 21:52:00 -
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The size needed to make is cost effective will be effected my the moon minerals that it can mine and the tech2 market in your area as supply and demand changes. Some people sell the raw moon ore other produce simple reaction or complex reactions. It all depend on the demand and the moons you find in low sec as they are the only ones you can mine. You will need moon harvesting arrays and silos at least possibly a reaction chamber. POS refinerys are not as good as NPC station (usally) even if you have max skills (something like 78% with skills). Plus you will need to buy the trade goods and buy/mine the Ice products (need mining barges and lots of skills).
Zaldiri
Posted - 2005.12.31 21:53:00 -
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In my experience mining raws can just about make a POS self sufficient. And there is no way the POS will survive in 0.0 without the consent of the resident allience or strong corps operating in the area. The consent will be incredibly hard, but not impossible to get, especialy if your new to the game. ----------------------------------------------- Admiral of King Frieza's Super Saiyan fleet.
Castor IV
Posted - 2005.12.31 21:59:00 -
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I might be wrong, but it would seem to me that you think that you mine same raws from moons as you usually mine from asteroid belts. If so thats not the case. Moon raws are very different from ore and can only be used to make reactions. Out of experience selling just moon raws is very difficult. And making reactions is even more difficult since you will need more than 1 POS usually to make any of the good reactions the ones that you actually can sell with profit. _______________________________________________ http://www.eve-pitc.com
Saicon
Posted - 2005.12.31 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Saicon on 31/12/2005 22:02:15 Don't listen to these guys. Seriously, don't! My corp is small and we have done almost exactly what you are talking about. And we haven't come under attack. Our setup: 1x Amarr Control Tower Small 1x Corporate Hangar Array 1x Ship Maintenance Array 1x Ammunition Assembly Array 1x Refining Array And lots of guns/EW for defense. My advice: don't try and extract moon minerals. Even the rare ones are flooding the marketplace so you won't break even. Use it purely as a service depot for your corp so you can rat hunt and mine rare ores to your heart's content. If you are organised with scouts and escorts, there's no reason you should ever lose a shipment of equipment or fuel to pirates. EDIT: And yes, we make profit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Castor IV
Posted - 2005.12.31 22:06:00 -
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Well since we have a expert on the subject I will give it a rest and wish you Good Luck. _______________________________________________ http://www.eve-pitc.com
Seravouk
Posted - 2005.12.31 22:39:00 -
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First off It is quite possible to use a P.O.S. in 0.0 for a small corp. Second though is you may want to try and get the host alliances ok but not necessary. The other option is a back roads system. Also if your corp is dedicated and works well together you have the start of a great corp you should join channels meet others and see if you all can work together. Just realize it is work to keep it running and it can be destroyed at anytime be smart and it will work.
Saerid
Posted - 2005.12.31 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Seravouk First off It is quite possible to use a P.O.S. in 0.0 for a small corp. Second though is you may want to try and get the host alliances ok but not necessary. The other option is a back roads system. Gotta agree there, ran a POS solo in Syndicate for a good while before joining my current corp. The real issue there is logistics if you're working with a small crew. In a word, running cargoes through crowded 0.0 space gets old pretty fast. For steadier income the POS should mine something, using it for NPCing is wasteful (that said, it IS nice to have your own little bubble in space, esp if it's totally in the middle of nowhere). The expenses do add up, however.
KaptnSparrow
Posted - 2006.02.04 00:01:00 -
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I'm planning the same thing for my corp as a small hunting place to refit, collect loot and mine a little. The best for us would be for sure if we get accepted by a big alliance like The Big Blue or so, because this would help both of us, we would get protection and they would have another pos for theire sov. and another system in reach for operations. our main problem is right now: 1. find a system where we can go ratting and not so many pirates 2. staying close to the current market 3. actually make money, we dont want to haul fuel to the station and loot back, mean we need an ice field in the system. Rough calculation showed us we need 3 - 4 million a day, not the big problem at all 4. how to transport the stuff, industrial ok or better transport ship in the first place because of resistences any suggestions? like what tower to start with no pos experiences, what moon to choose, we are not interressted in moon mining and so dont wanna stea somebodys "good" moon. anybody needs big ammounts of condors? to give us the money for a pos in the first place... http://berlinguyinca.blogspot.com/
mechtech
Posted - 2006.02.04 16:38:00 -
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I found jozeph's post funny. Originally by: Jozeph Spinne your POS will become a target and will be destroyed within two weeks..............if not days. .......I doubt your ability, as a small corp, to hold on to anything in 0.0 for more than few hrs. next post its going to be an expected lifespan of 2 seconds
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