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Snyper Kitten
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Posted - 2005.12.31 21:44:00 -
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This is by no means complete just my idea of how the tech of ships in eve evolved.
In the beginning all ships had crews, a Captain officers NCOÆs and crewmen to operate them. Then the Jove brought Pod technology to the rest of the universe. However Things werenÆt so simple as meets the eye.
All tech 1 ships were retrofitted with pod technology. Yet some still needed to retain ôsome crewmenö Due to the difficulties in converting a preexisting ship with pod technology the remaining crew were more specialized in maintenance, weapons, engineering ect. Frigs could be fully retro fitted and didnÆt need a crew at all. Cruisers and Battleships however still needed the specialized crew to help handle the large combat ships.
With the evolution to tech 2 ships were the same as their tech 1 counterparts in looks only. Inside they were completely redesigned from the keel up. They didnÆt require ANY crew. And were fully under the command of the pod pilot/captain
With the advent of new technologies new classes of ships were designed with pod pilots in mind. The battle cruisers for example has increased armor and shielding by utilizing interior spaces that used to be reserved for crew compartments. Destroyers and other new classes also were devoid of crew and made use of the ability to fit more weapons or support modules.
In an effort to keep up with this new trend the various empires and factions are having to adapt to a growing capsuleer force that out guns and can out maneuver their aging fleets. They do this primarily by reverse engineering captured ships and refitting them to include support for large crews. The downside of this is that many are less powerful as their capluleer counterparts. To counter this empires and factions are having to implement pod pilot training the their elite captains.
Future generations of tech 2 ships such as tech 2 battleships will have no crew and the ability to fit more equipment and thus be even more powerful.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.01 09:50:00 -
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Except for most frigates, ships have crew.
You haven't found a "loophole" by saying Tech Level 2 ships, or destroyers and battlecruisers, were created more recently.
Just because CCP chose to use an Apocalypse in Hands of a Killer rather than a Prophecy or Zealot doesn't mean that the story doesn't apply to those ships too.
Why do so many people feel the need to try to fight this? ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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CiaCheCait
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Posted - 2006.01.01 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Except for most frigates, ships have crew.
You haven't found a "loophole" by saying Tech Level 2 ships, or destroyers and battlecruisers, were created more recently.
Just because CCP chose to use an Apocalypse in Hands of a Killer rather than a Prophecy or Zealot doesn't mean that the story doesn't apply to those ships too.
Why do so many people feel the need to try to fight this?
I'm not neccessarily disagreeing with you for most of your post, but what would be the advantage of a tech 2 ship if its technology is just as old as tech 1 ships? While I do believe that HACs and T2 BCs and Destroyers have crews, I think they're more limited than their T1 counterparts. Other than that, if it's not listed in a ship's attributes or in EVE's official fiction, it's anybody's guess.
Again, not disagreeing with you, per se, just keep in mind that there's nothing to fight if there is no official say from the creators of the universe we call EVE.
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Jon Xylur
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Posted - 2006.01.01 11:46:00 -
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In some news article when tech 2 frigates first came out, it was mentioned that they were designed specifically to pod pilots. So atlest tech 2 frigs probbaly have no crew at all and use the space for weapon hardpoints/dronebays/armour plates. Tech 2 cruisers and BCs probbaly have less crew than tech 1 versiosn and tech 2 dessies probably have no crew.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2006.01.01 13:00:00 -
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They would require less crew, but would require superior crewmembers. They're specialised ships, Joe McNub can't crew it
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Gloomash
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Posted - 2006.01.01 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Gloomash on 01/01/2006 23:07:41
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Why do so many people feel the need to try to fight this?
Because most aren't up to the job of sacrificing anonymious crew men.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.02 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: CiaCheCait While I do believe that HACs and T2 BCs and Destroyers have crews, I think they're more limited than their T1 counterparts.
I agree with you completely.
Originally by: Gloomash
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Why do so many people feel the need to try to fight this?
Because most aren't up to the job of sacrificing anonymious crew men.
Then they aren't up to the job of roleplaying in EVE. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2006.01.02 11:25:00 -
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Damn straight.
Minister of Foreign Affairs - Aegis Militia Fleet Admiral/CEO - The Aeternus Crusade |
BrerLapin
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Posted - 2006.01.02 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: BrerLapin on 02/01/2006 14:01:46
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Gloomash
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Why do so many people feel the need to try to fight this?
Because most aren't up to the job of sacrificing anonymious crew men.
Then they aren't up to the job of roleplaying in EVE.
Actually the Minmatar crew situation is very important to how the whole crew situation works. They were slaves freed from oppression yes ? How would you justify them having a slave crew. If the crew are paid its gonna be alot due to the risky business of space travel.
Someone said something quaint about there only there to clean up & do minor repairs. Have you ever worked on an airframe ? Every nut removed & replaced has to be logged & accounted for. You cant simple give Jimmy a wrench & go there you go. Jimmy has to be trained & competent in this class of frame he has to be a reliable worker & you have to pay him a helluva lot or hell **** of to the EvE equivalent of mcDonnell Douglass. Now the counter arguement is well its not that hard a task, well then drones can do it. Current advances in technology edge towards solid state devices, moving parts mean time betweeen failure is just to high. EvE is a high tech enviroment I really dont see plebs tampering with discrete circuits or in fact circuits being in any recognizable form ;D Admittedly there might be a ABC block repair system but then drones could do it.
Your not going to willy nily sacrifice a accomplished aeronautical engineer that cant be replaced for another 5 years. Never mind sacrificing a ship of 50-1000 of them.
Other than this Nice post Snyper Kitten The perversity of the Universe tends towards a maximum - O'Toole's Corollary of Finagle's Law |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2006.01.02 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: BrerLapin
Actually the Minmatar crew situation is very important to how the whole crew situation works. They were slaves freed from oppression yes ? How would you justify them having a slave crew. If the crew are paid its gonna be alot due to the risky business of space travel.
Much like current day oil rig crews, they're probably signing on for about 3 months to earn a years' wage. Suicidals would sign on for a couple of years and if they survive count the $$
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