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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
314
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Posted - 2013.08.27 05:24:00 -
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AFK cloakers are a myth made up to get cloaking nerfed. Let me ask you something? Have YOU ever actually seen an AFK cloaker? |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1764
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Posted - 2013.08.27 10:52:00 -
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What exactly is the issue with "AFK cloakers", dear OP?
If they're afk then they're no threat are they? |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
647
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:20:00 -
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Stop being a coward? Works for me! Do't fly what you can't afford to lose. |
Substantia Nigra
Dopaminergic Systems
1167
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Posted - 2013.08.28 03:59:00 -
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I am a recidivist AFK-clocker and regularly lapse back into that sordid activity. I can promise you, though, that when I am truly AFK-clocked GǪ both AFK and cloaked GǪ I am absolutely no threat to you. Given how bad I am at eve I am also not a lot of threat to you even when I am active GǪ but that is another matter altogether.
Yes, I am also guilty of 24/7 AFK-clocking GǪ usually resource denial during war campaigns, with the occasional hot-drop thrown in to make the point.
When I was in sov-null, as well as my long life in w-space, we were regularly longtime AFK-cloaky camped. It can be a pain, itGÇÖs meant to be, but it is eminently fixable. Give them no joy and they will go away GǪ and your posting here must be giving your resident cloaker lots and lots of tear-fueled joy.
TLDR: Not broken, nicely balanced game dynamic, live with it.
I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
127
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Posted - 2013.08.28 21:29:00 -
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CassHudson wrote:
AFK cloak does not help create combat.
Oh, I think quite a bit of combat has been created already. QCATS is Recruiting: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Speedkermit Damo
Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
98
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:28:00 -
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Best way to counter AFK cloakers, is to get as many people as possible AFK cloaky-camping Goons new renter empire. Then Goons will whine to CCP to nerf AFK cloaking, and CCP will fall over themselves to please them.
It's worked before, so it's worth a try. Don't Panic.
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Kalihira
Interstellar Newcomers Inc. Home Front Coalition
14
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:22:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:AFK cloakers are a myth made up to get cloaking nerfed. Let me ask you something? Have YOU ever actually seen an AFK cloaker?
i see what you did there... |
Dr0000 Maulerant
Mu cows
3
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:04:00 -
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Every time I hear someone say this-
TheGunslinger42 wrote:What exactly is the issue with "AFK cloakers", dear OP?
If they're afk then they're no threat are they?
I think of all the times my brother "walked into" my fist face first.
Ah, to be young again.
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Kazim Scumling
Judge Enterprises
16
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Posted - 2013.08.30 19:00:00 -
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There is one proven counter to AFK cloaking which we have applied with great success in the past
1. Find the carebears behind the cloaking activity or find their carebear friends/allies. 2. Locate where they make money (ratting systems? missioning systems? mining systems): All of them 3. Organize your nullbears to train and divert your 12-14 AFK cloaking alts (should not take much) to lock down all the systems 7/23. 4. Persist doing for at most 1 week. 5. AFK cloak suddenly disappears. |
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Hephaestus LLC Gryphon League
147
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Posted - 2013.08.30 21:28:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Every time I hear someone say this- TheGunslinger42 wrote:What exactly is the issue with "AFK cloakers", dear OP?
If they're afk then they're no threat are they? I think of all the times my brother "walked into" my fist face first. Ah, to be young again.
Quite the hero, aren't you? Heph'ers! |
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1469
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:54:00 -
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CassHudson wrote:Also there needs to be a counter to the AFK cloakie..
Jezus, not this again.
First, no there DOESN'T need to be a counter. Second, search the forums: this has been discussed to death, and I doubt you'll add something new to the mix. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Joan Greywind
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2013.09.03 03:19:00 -
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shoot rats in a drake, problem solved.
Or get your shiny rattlesnake out and counter drop his ass, problem solved.
Or go back to highsec, where you belong, problem solved.
The only reason you can see him because of a ****** mechanic called "local" which removes any surprise in warfare in EVE. Your ability to see in the first place should be nerfed. |
Clementina
Coreli Corporation
90
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Posted - 2013.09.03 06:11:00 -
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It is not the AFK cloaker that you need to be worried about, But rather the cloaker that is not AFK. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1788
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Posted - 2013.09.03 14:22:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:Every time I hear someone say this- TheGunslinger42 wrote:What exactly is the issue with "AFK cloakers", dear OP?
If they're afk then they're no threat are they? I think of all the times my brother "walked into" my fist face first. Ah, to be young again.
I notice that you can't actually answer the question |
Belt Bitch
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.09.03 18:33:00 -
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CassHudson wrote:I hear that CCP whines about dropping a billion cans on the gate to keep cloakies moving thru system decloaked.
Any confirmation of that crap?
Also there needs to be a counter to the AFK cloakie..
Hot droppers are cool, no issue there.
I do have issue with the asshats that take 5+ alts and and afk camp entire constellations for weeks.
I want a fight, I dont want to sit around flying in pvp ship under the threat of combat, when these "uber pee vee pee"'ers wont engage me unless I'm not in in ANY pvp ship...
This is very same problems i try resolve as well. this is hack of game mechanic and violation of agreement for players to not grieve others. I have asked to whether this could be legal issue or not and await response |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
602
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:21:00 -
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Belt ***** wrote: This is very same problems i try resolve as well. this is hack of game mechanic and violation of agreement for players to not grieve others. I have asked to whether this could be legal issue or not and await response
For what I know the issue is not dropping cans to decloack, this is not itself a violation. Is about creating lag. If they (CCP) evaluate some action (in this case dropping cans) is done to create lag or anyway results in lag creation they may step in.
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Belt Bitch
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.09.03 20:03:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:Belt ***** wrote: This is very same problems i try resolve as well. this is hack of game mechanic and violation of agreement for players to not grieve others. I have asked to whether this could be legal issue or not and await response
For what I know the issue is not dropping cans to decloack, this is not itself a violation. Is about creating lag. If they (CCP) evaluate some action (in this case dropping cans) is done to create lag or anyway results in lag creation they may step in.
what are you talk about cans?? is not issue with cans is issue with cloaker who does nothing but disrupt legitimate gameplays and violate griefer tactics
stay on topic or silence! |
Ciaphas Cyne
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
20
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:27:00 -
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Belt ***** wrote:Sura Sadiva wrote:Belt ***** wrote: This is very same problems i try resolve as well. this is hack of game mechanic and violation of agreement for players to not grieve others. I have asked to whether this could be legal issue or not and await response
For what I know the issue is not dropping cans to decloack, this is not itself a violation. Is about creating lag. If they (CCP) evaluate some action (in this case dropping cans) is done to create lag or anyway results in lag creation they may step in. what are you talk about cans?? is not issue with cans is issue with cloaker who does nothing but disrupt legitimate gameplays and violate griefer tactics stay on topic or silence!
a few misplaced plurals and yodas syntax does not a Euro accent make |
Klaus Hiesler
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:04:00 -
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This is not broken the great thing about my job is I can log on straight after down time before work go to work all day come back make isk doing virtually nothing contact me if u want someones system camped has covert cyno so cyno jammers are not an issue 300 m a week to camp 1 system 500 for two. An I have never been caught :) tech 3 ftw. An the great thing about it is usually after about a week or so of Afk some idiot will start mining in a rorqual or orca out the pos. ahhh good times anyway for fthose of u afkers out there enjoy those tears harvest as much as u can because we can shut down systems :) oh by the way I love when the try the fleet invite thing makes them feel safe |
Andracin
Sickology
221
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:16:00 -
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I will believe afk cloaking to be a problem when people in low and high sec start crying about it too. So far it appears that afk cloakers are entirely a phenomenon that ends life as null bears know it. It also never seems to be any of the null pvp-oriented alliances who cry about it either, just ratters and miners who are pissed when they get ganked in badly fit pve ships. |
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Cpt Arareb
DisturbedGamers.
58
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Posted - 2013.09.05 15:23:00 -
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hmmm.. AFK Clockers ... clocks away from a keyboard, yes usually I have my clock away from my keyboard, I find the clock to near the keyboard will make me divert my eyes from eve to whatch the time too often, it makes me sad after a while making me say: damn another hour of my life wasted playing eve, I must stop! damn another hour of my life wasted playing eve, I must... |
Klaus Hiesler
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.05 22:34:00 -
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pretty much null bears be crying love them tears by the way. best part is there is no way for them to stop me |
Speedkermit Damo
Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
102
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Posted - 2013.09.06 15:06:00 -
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Best way to counter AFK cloaky camping?
Play world of tanks instead. Don't Panic.
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Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
283
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Posted - 2013.09.06 15:52:00 -
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Andracin wrote:I will believe afk cloaking to be a problem when people in low and high sec start crying about it too. So far it appears that afk cloakers are entirely a phenomenon that ends life as null bears know it. It also never seems to be any of the null pvp-oriented alliances who cry about it either, just ratters and miners who are pissed when they get ganked in badly fit pve ships.
Well, flying around lowsec teaches one to be paranoid, and in hisec, a cloaky camper's going to be lost in the background clutter anyway. (Seriously, as an aside: there's nothing more frustrating than trying to pick out a single ship on combat scanner probes when you're in a system that's part of a major trade route.) "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Alexander Eisenhower
thirtyplus Spaceship Samurai
19
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Posted - 2013.09.06 16:45:00 -
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I have a number of solutions that may or may not have been mentioned. Most simple would be mines. Why not? every other space game has them. Its old tech. Do you really expect that they wont have them in what ever year it is anyway?
Secondly and possibly best, AFK probe tracking. A probe that gives no immediate info but leave it active and it records momentary blips in cloak . Eventually you will be able narrow down the cloakess patterns. And warp to where you expect him to be.
Third, system wide emp pulse wave. Knocks off everyones electronics. After it goes off you undock and scan. If cloaky is still sitting still you got him.
I could go on
And I could read all the other posts but why
I am probably not gonna rage quit
But I might get bored sitting in station and start looking at other games....
All I am asking for is something todo when the pizza man shows up and I hadnt ordered a pizza!
And maybe its only 25% effective, maybe I dont care just dont ask me to believe that in a high tech and complex world like new eden, there is no counter to cloaks. |
Alexander Eisenhower
thirtyplus Spaceship Samurai
19
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Posted - 2013.09.06 16:46:00 -
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Klaus Hiesler wrote:pretty much null bears be crying love them tears by the way. best part is there is no way for them to stop me
See.....all we want all a few simple tools |
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Hephaestus LLC Gryphon League
147
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Posted - 2013.09.06 18:35:00 -
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Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Klaus Hiesler wrote:pretty much null bears be crying love them tears by the way. best part is there is no way for them to stop me See.....all we want all a few simple tools
There are plenty of tools, and a lot of them are making whiny posts about AFK cloakers and how the system is "broken" when it isn't. Heph'ers! |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
340
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Posted - 2013.09.06 18:50:00 -
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Alexander Eisenhower wrote:I have a number of solutions that may or may not have been mentioned.
Nothing new.
Do you realise just how long whiny nullbears have been crying about AFK cloaking and posting the same tired, broken ideas for "solutions" to a problem that only exists due to their own ineptitude and cowardice?
Ultimately it all boils down to "hay let us scan down cloakers i'm skurred". Always, without fail.
HTFU or go back to highsec.
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Alexander Eisenhower
thirtyplus Spaceship Samurai
19
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Posted - 2013.09.06 20:05:00 -
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Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:Alexander Eisenhower wrote:Klaus Hiesler wrote:pretty much null bears be crying love them tears by the way. best part is there is no way for them to stop me See.....all we want all a few simple tools There are plenty of tools, and a lot of them are making whiny posts about AFK cloakers and how the system is "broken" when it isn't.
Please educate me bro cause I don't know of anyway to detect a cloaked ship other than to accidently bump into them. |
Alexander Eisenhower
thirtyplus Spaceship Samurai
19
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Posted - 2013.09.06 20:10:00 -
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Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:Alexander Eisenhower wrote:I have a number of solutions that may or may not have been mentioned. Nothing new. Do you realise just how long whiny nullbears have been crying about AFK cloaking and posting the same tired, broken ideas for "solutions" to a problem that only exists due to their own ineptitude and cowardice? Ultimately it all boils down to "hay let us scan down cloakers i'm skurred". Always, without fail. HTFU or go back to highsec.
ineptitude maybe, willing to give free kills, no! But nobody knows how to fight them, all you can do is point your finger and say whinner. well I say Im tired of hearing you whine about me whinning.
and does nobody see the hugh hole in the tech here? really? ......come on !
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