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Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2013.08.24 20:06:00 -
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Anyone who says that tech 2 weapons aren't that much better than normal weapons you are better. I checked this out with comparing meta 4 rockets and tech 2 rockets. On a condor at frigate 4 and rocket specilisation 2 and one tech 2 BCS (no rigs) I was about to get about 65dps from 3 meta 4 rocket launchers with faction ammo. With tech 2 launchers and the same set up with faction ammo I was able to get 90dps.
So yeah tech 2 weapons really are better over tech 1 weapons by a long margin. I'm sorry but it is.
not that it does anything to really help me kill other players. |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2013.08.24 20:10:00 -
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But I thought you didn't have time to train them
In other news, the sky is blue and water is wet.... |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2013.08.24 20:14:00 -
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Donbe Scurred wrote:But I thought you didn't have time to train them In other news, the sky is blue and water is wet....
well I got around to it eventually. I also trained from overheating but it doesn't do much good because you still die too quickly, |
Zappity
Kurved Space
313
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Posted - 2013.08.24 20:45:00 -
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Wow, who'd have thought.
Also EFT ftw. You don't need to actually train things to see whether it is worth it.
And you are so badly wrong about overheating that I don't know where to start. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Zakki Zateki
Invidia.
13
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Posted - 2013.08.24 20:45:00 -
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All I really have to say is: No **** Sherlock |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
2198
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Posted - 2013.08.24 21:02:00 -
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2>1
Signs and Wonders.
You're onto something big there, I can feel it.
Maybe you should inform CCP Obama about it so he proposes you for a Nobel price. You know... morons. |
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium Templis Dragonaors
148
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Posted - 2013.08.24 23:15:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote: I also trained from overheating but it doesn't do much good because you still die too quickly,
This statement will probably be followed up five weeks later with "Thermodynamics really is worth your time." I await the thread, op. Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation Faction Warfare, PvP, Training
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Zappity
Kurved Space
313
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Posted - 2013.08.25 00:32:00 -
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Thermodynamics 4 is pretty much a prerequisite for solo frigate fights. If your opponent wants to fight solo they almost certainly have this trained and will be using it from the first second.
It provides very good advantages and if you learn to manage your heat across your modules your PvP results will improve. Hint: don't leave your prop mod heated for the whole fight. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
497
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Posted - 2013.08.25 02:38:00 -
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Oh FFS, you AGAIN?
Whatever you are trying to accomplish with this spam, please seek jollies elsewhere. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Cassius Clayy
Dred Nots
5
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Posted - 2013.08.25 05:17:00 -
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OP has correctness. ... and information. |
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Salicaz
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
145
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Posted - 2013.08.25 07:28:00 -
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Good lord this guy.... |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2013.08.25 08:34:00 -
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Zappity wrote: And you are so badly wrong about overheating that I don't know where to start.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19351208
I overheated all the racks and it didn't do anything. I still died.
And before anyone ask why I didn't spot them on D-scan it was because I warped to the target when it was too far to detect them on D-scan. And they were sitting on the gate. And the reason why I warp directly to the gate is because if I don't and have to burn to the gate it gives the people in the site too long and they often warp out so I try to limit the ammount of time I'm in 1 au range so I have the best chance to engage.
Princess Bride wrote:Oh FFS, you AGAIN?
Whatever you are trying to accomplish with this spam, please seek jollies elsewhere.
have you thought that since I've been doing this for so long that I might actually not be trolling? did that possibility ever cross your mind? |
Zappity
Kurved Space
314
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Posted - 2013.08.25 08:44:00 -
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You are surprised that you lost a Condor to a Harpy and a Dragoon at zero? You could double your damage and it wouldn't have mattered.
Range control is critical to your success. Absolutely critical. And this includes staying out of range of certain ships. Seriously, get your navigation skills up. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
37
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Posted - 2013.08.25 08:52:00 -
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Zappity wrote:You are surprised that you lost a Condor to a Harpy and a Dragoon at zero? You could double your damage and it wouldn't have mattered.
Range control is critical to your success. Absolutely critical. And this includes staying out of range of certain ships. Seriously, get your navigation skills up.
yeah I didn't expect to win
but my rockets only have 8100m range so I need to keep in range to engage the enemy and I only have an afterburner on the ship. And I couldn't warp out since they'd stuck a point on me. And for range control I select orbit 7500m and activate all systems and fire away. Now I can also overheat.
And I can't train up the navigation skills because I'm training for tech 2 scout drones for level 4 missions. |
Jake Devlin
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
0
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Posted - 2013.08.25 09:13:00 -
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http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19311501
I seem to manage. Of course I understand the value of overheating, picking my targets and expect to lose as often as I win.
Frigate fights are fast, it's what makes them fun. I'd offer you advice but you don't listen to it so I wont bother. |
Torrema Sinclair
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.08.25 09:37:00 -
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Zappity
Kurved Space
314
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Posted - 2013.08.25 09:38:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Zappity wrote:You are surprised that you lost a Condor to a Harpy and a Dragoon at zero? You could double your damage and it wouldn't have mattered.
Range control is critical to your success. Absolutely critical. And this includes staying out of range of certain ships. Seriously, get your navigation skills up. yeah I didn't expect to win but my rockets only have 8100m range so I need to keep in range to engage the enemy and I only have an afterburner on the ship. And I couldn't warp out since they'd stuck a point on me. And for range control I select orbit 7500m and activate all systems and fire away. Now I can also overheat. And I can't train up the navigation skills because I'm training for tech 2 scout drones for level 4 missions. Also is there anyway for a standard frigate to be able to win lone fights against faction frigates/assault frigates/destroyers/cruisers?
I watched a Tormentor tear up a Firetail solo a couple of days ago. He did a good job. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
FuzzyButt
Rainbow Dash Goes Red Rainbow Dash Friends
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Posted - 2013.08.25 10:26:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Zappity wrote:You are surprised that you lost a Condor to a Harpy and a Dragoon at zero? You could double your damage and it wouldn't have mattered.
Range control is critical to your success. Absolutely critical. And this includes staying out of range of certain ships. Seriously, get your navigation skills up. yeah I didn't expect to win but my rockets only have 8100m range so I need to keep in range to engage the enemy and I only have an afterburner on the ship. And I couldn't warp out since they'd stuck a point on me. And for range control I select orbit 7500m and activate all systems and fire away. Now I can also overheat. And I can't train up the navigation skills because I'm training for tech 2 scout drones for level 4 missions. Also is there anyway for a standard frigate to be able to win lone fights against faction frigates/assault frigates/destroyers/cruisers?
First of you need too know what you are fighting =)
You can kill a Cruiser in a frigate aslong as you know the capabilities etc. Like drones that can kill you and that you can out orbit the tracking.
tho taking a T1 frigate up against any Destroyer or T2 frigate without a lot of experience or knowledge isnt a good idea usualy, i think if you train into destroyers and look into the Corax you will be more satisfyed and i think it will serve for better training.
Unless your familiar with it, it's a destroyer that uses rockets and you can shield tank it decently. The think is that it can have like 7 rockets launchers so your dps can easily take on 1-2 frigates and still have a chance on other destroyers =)
If your really serious about this id be happy too talk ingame =P just mail / convo me <3 |
Ciaphas Cyne
HUG NATION
9
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Posted - 2013.08.25 10:31:00 -
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why....do....you....post....things.....?
my brain is bleeding |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
500
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Posted - 2013.08.25 11:58:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Oh FFS, you AGAIN?
Whatever you are trying to accomplish with this spam, please seek jollies elsewhere. have you thought that since I've been doing this for so long that I might actually not be trolling? did that possibility ever cross your mind?
Yes, I did think of that. Yes, it did cross my mind.
That is why I didn't state that you are trolling. As I said, WHATEVER you are trying to accomplish (trolling, scam, looking for love, I really do no care) please, for the love of all that is holy, GO AWAY. Your posts are whiny, irritating, and your attitude is terrible, as has been pointed out numerous times. You have created many threads, and they are all very bad. I have nothing against new players. I have helped countless new players who are both willing and capable of learning. I truly believe you are neither. All you do is put a frown on my morning coffee, and sour a few minutes of my day with your obtuse whining. I can almost hear its nasally high-pitched cacophony, even though this is text. If you are a troll, you are the most effective one I have ever encountered, which makes me mad at myself.
So again... Find a friend, find a co-worker, and drive THEM insane instead. PLEASE. PLEASE!!! I am BEGGING you. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
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FuzzyButt
Rainbow Dash Goes Red Rainbow Dash Friends
52
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Posted - 2013.08.25 13:18:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Oh FFS, you AGAIN?
Whatever you are trying to accomplish with this spam, please seek jollies elsewhere. have you thought that since I've been doing this for so long that I might actually not be trolling? did that possibility ever cross your mind? Yes, I did think of that. Yes, it did cross my mind. That is why I didn't state that you are trolling. As I said, WHATEVER you are trying to accomplish (trolling, scam, looking for love, I really do not care) please, for the love of all that is holy, GO AWAY. Your posts are whiny, irritating, and your attitude is terrible, as has been pointed out numerous times. You have created many threads, and they are all very bad. I have nothing against new players. I have helped countless new players who are both willing and capable of learning. I truly believe you are neither. All you do is put a frown on my morning coffee, and sour a few minutes of my day with your obtuse whining. I can almost hear its nasally high-pitched cacophony, even though this is text. If you are a troll, you are the most effective one I have ever encountered, which makes me mad at myself. So again... Find a friend, find a co-worker, and drive THEM insane instead. PLEASE. PLEASE!!! I am BEGGING you.
Nice post O.o
He seems like a nice guy... =3
But really, Paul.. you have been proporly adviced and should take the advice you have got =) |
Maekchu
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
5
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Posted - 2013.08.25 13:44:00 -
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FuzzyButt wrote: But really, Paul.. you have been properly advised and should take the advice you have got =)
Please don't. I do have a jolly good time reading these threads!
I'd never have guessed T2 weapons were better than T1. *Mindblown* |
StonerPhReaK
Ashfell Celestial Equilibrium POD-SQUAD
112
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Posted - 2013.08.25 13:57:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Anyone who says that tech 2 weapons aren't that much better than normal weapons you are better. I checked this out with comparing meta 4 rockets and tech 2 rockets. On a condor at frigate 4 and rocket specilisation 2 and one tech 2 BCS (no rigs) I was about to get about 65dps from 3 meta 4 rocket launchers with faction ammo. With tech 2 launchers and the same set up with faction ammo I was able to get 90dps.
So yeah tech 2 weapons really are better over tech 1 weapons by a long margin. I'm sorry but it is.
not that it does anything to really help me kill other players.
The spec skill only effects t2 weapons, and is also mostly the reason they are better than t1 m4. Signature Removal in Progress, Estimated time of completion? Neva |
SpoonRECKLESS
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2013.08.26 00:59:00 -
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Faction guns are better just look at all the ganked mission boats on eve kill. DUH!!! |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
531
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Posted - 2013.08.26 01:26:00 -
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This information is shocking.
Proof ------> If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Pixel Navigators WINMATAR.
109
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Posted - 2013.08.26 03:35:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Anyone who says that tech 2 weapons aren't that much better than normal weapons you are better. I checked this out with comparing meta 4 rockets and tech 2 rockets. On a condor at frigate 4 and rocket specilisation 2 and one tech 2 BCS (no rigs) I was about to get about 65dps from 3 meta 4 rocket launchers with faction ammo. With tech 2 launchers and the same set up with faction ammo I was able to get 90dps.
So yeah tech 2 weapons really are better over tech 1 weapons by a long margin. I'm sorry but it is.
not that it does anything to really help me kill other players.
You're actually mistaken and probably seeing the result of additional skill training to fit the T2 launchers rather than the effects of the T2 launchers themselves. With specialization at 5 you're only looking at an increase of 10% in DPS. The real benefit in T2 weapons is being able to use T2 ammo, at rocket specialization 2, T2 launchers do 4% more DPS than Arbalest launchers. |
Aeana K
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
89
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Posted - 2013.08.26 12:51:00 -
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m8, I like you and your posts, I can admit that I follow you.
You are jailed in a well known situation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
Every noob is (including myself), in any new state (science or game) . I admire you express it without fear. But accept that the old players know more than you (and me), and make a favor to yourself and follow their advice.
for example, Zappity said:
Paul Otichoda wrote:Zappity wrote:You are surprised that you lost a Condor to a Harpy and a Dragoon at zero? You could double your damage and it wouldn't have mattered.
Range control is critical to your success. Absolutely critical. And this includes staying out of range of certain ships. Seriously, get your navigation skills up. [...] And I can't train up the navigation skills because I'm training for tech 2 scout drones for level 4 missions.
he/she is right. What in the hell to do overheating when your condor aligns like an orca? Navigation is priority.
for a reason, you believe that mission 4s and billions of ISK will give you wins. This is pretty much wrong, not from my experience, but from common sense: If it was like that, every PvPer would be station trading, and accounting would be a pvp skill.
You have linked a killmail. From this fight you have learnt so many things: the power of the opponent ships, their tactic, their fitting etc. I am jealous ffs! But you stay on the outcome and you dont appreciate the experience. Athough this experience is what actually matters the most for your future as PvPer, skills and ISKs will come anyways.
Although you have been improved (I see T2 weapons fit, yey!!), you still don't listen!
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Cara Forelli
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.08.26 14:25:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Yes, I did think of that. Yes, it did cross my mind.
May want to edit your post for personal attacks before CCP gets to it.
Zappity wrote:lost a Condor to a Harpy and a Dragoon
OP take a look at the shield resists on a harpy compared to say, a merlin. You'll quickly see why engaging a tech 2 frig in your t1 is usually not a good idea. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
12
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Posted - 2013.08.26 14:33:00 -
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This has got to be one of the greatest troll characters of all time. That or very sad. |
Myriad Blaze
63
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Posted - 2013.08.26 17:35:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote: Also is there anyway for a standard frigate to be able to win lone fights against faction frigates/assault frigates/destroyers/cruisers?
Sure. Depends on your skills and fittings and friends and their skills and fittings and friends.
1 on 1 it might be hard. Actually I think it should be hard. Imagine you're the one flying the assault frigate... would you still think a 90dps Condor should have a good chance at killing you? Especially if the Condor is at a range that favors you? The Harpy in the killmail you posted was fitted with T2 Light Neutron Blasters. With Void and overheated I would expect over 300dps if I let him get close. And considering its resists I would expect a strong tank - probably 12k EHP or more - with excellent resists against kinetic damage. Not impossible to beat with a Condor. Just really hard. As it should be, imho.
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