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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1153
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:52:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:When are you nerfing links?
Links are being nerfed for a few reasons.
Two reasons that stand out are:
1. CCP loves blob warfare, and skirmish links let well-skilled small gangs operate to some degree against blobs. So they were nerfed, hard.
2. Null sec cartels, especially those trying to force more people into null sec rental situations, hate high sec incursion runners. Therefore, CCP nerfed the links, knowing that weaker links (about 21% effective repping for armour ), will require bigger tanks, thereby lowering DPS, hence lowering income. And they know this is the gift that keeps on giving, when later this year they force OBG's ongrid, hammering incursion income further. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1153
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:55:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Vyktor Abyss wrote:Not happy about many of the changes and feedback given in those threads.
All ignored, like many other valid posters - glad to see CCP still working as intended. Just because one doesn't agree with every single person's suggestion doesn't mean feedback is being ignored. We take everything posted into consideration. At the end of the day, our jobs are do what's best for the game using our best judgement, and often that means differing from what some specific players want.
You mean your best judgement, given the gaming background you have. Tell me, when was the last time CCP hired a game designer that was wholeheartedly a high sec player?
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
412
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:55:00 -
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I do suppose it is hard to know what to do considering every single player has their own agenda. Realistically though there will always be someone better. Does it make it right to nerf the stuff that THEY are good with? Assuming someone is good because of a crutch is one thing. Failing to realize that they will prevail no matter what and haters will still complain is another. The bad players know that if they complain enough CCP will coddle them. In every game bad players never stick around. Good players still need to be rewarded too. |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
211
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:07:00 -
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Nighthawk's slot layout is still bad.
With 7/5/5 it has an extra low that's just wasted space. Compared to the other shield tanked missile CS, the Claymore (which has 7/6/4), the Nighthawk is slower, less maneuverable, has less local rep potential (due to the Claymore's bonus), and can fit a buffer that's only marginally larger than the Claymore's (due to the Claymore's extra mid). They also have comparable DPS when the Claymore's drones are considered, the Nighthawk is tighter on fittings, and the Claymore has a smaller sig.
There's no reason at all to bring a Nighthawk instead of a Claymore right now. The extra low is useless. Nano? It still can't keep up with the claymore, so it will get benched in nimble fleets. 4th BCS? Adds only a marginal amount of dps. SPR? Only useful for PvE, and another mid would be more useful for shield regen tanking anyway (LSE adds more than an SPR with fewer downsides). Coproc? Not very necessary since if you're going for an XLASB fit you're better off with the claymore anyway. Only possibly needed because the Nighthawk's fittings are still not that great.
The Claymore, OTOH, could make good use of a 5th low for the coproc to fit an XLASB.
Drake is 7/6/4 with resist bonus, Cyclone is 7/5/5 with rep bonus. Those two ships are reasonably balanced against each other. So why are their T2 counterparts' slot layouts reversed, giving the tank advantage firmly to the Claymore? |
Jerick Ludhowe
trolllolcorp
549
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:18:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote: Those two ships are reasonably balanced against each other. So why are their T2 counterparts' slot layouts reversed, giving the tank advantage firmly to the Claymore?
Because fozzie said so
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
330
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:36:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Vyktor Abyss wrote:Not happy about many of the changes and feedback given in those threads.
All ignored, like many other valid posters - glad to see CCP still working as intended. Just because one doesn't agree with every single person's suggestion doesn't mean feedback is being ignored. We take everything posted into consideration. At the end of the day, our jobs are do what's best for the game using our best judgement, and often that means differing from what some specific players want.
Not having a dig at you personally, just from my perspective after writing pages and pages of feedback it looks like you post a set of changes with your minds completely made up. It is very rare you actually alter your position, which is either you being supremely confident of your changes or just being stubborn - for you sake I hope its the former.
I won't personally bother posting regarding changes in future anyway. It doesn't feel like a good use of time. |
Castelo Selva
Selva Brasil Moon Warriors
41
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:43:00 -
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Excellent work CCP Fozzie, CCP Rise and team. Congratulation to all . I am very happy with all changes (even the gang link ones), so please do not get me wrong but...
Where are the command ship hull changes?
We still want it! |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2610
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:51:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:When are you nerfing links? Links are being nerfed for a few reasons. Two reasons that stand out are: 1. CCP loves blob warfare, and skirmish links let well-skilled small gangs operate to some degree against blobs. So they were nerfed, hard. 2. Null sec cartels, especially those trying to force more people into null sec rental situations, hate high sec incursion runners. Therefore, CCP nerfed the links, knowing that weaker links (about 21% effective repping for armour ), will require bigger tanks, thereby lowering DPS, hence lowering income. And they know this is the gift that keeps on giving, when later this year they force OBG's ongrid, hammering incursion income further.
3. CCP has invested company funds into large stocks of tinfoil and other such hat accessories and want a return on investment.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2610
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:52:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Vyktor Abyss wrote:Not happy about many of the changes and feedback given in those threads.
All ignored, like many other valid posters - glad to see CCP still working as intended. Just because one doesn't agree with every single person's suggestion doesn't mean feedback is being ignored. We take everything posted into consideration. At the end of the day, our jobs are do what's best for the game using our best judgement, and often that means differing from what some specific players want. You mean your best judgement, given the gaming background you have. Tell me, when was the last time CCP hired a game designer that was wholeheartedly a high sec player only playing a limited part of the game rather than all of it regards of system security status?
Answer: Never. |
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance
242
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:57:00 -
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GG Dominix, you overdid it in the Alliance Tournament old friend.
Now your drones will occasionally actually miss targets "Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom." |
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
2978
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:03:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Tell me, when was the last time CCP hired a game designer that was wholeheartedly a high sec player?
Wouldn't that be a bit like hiring a Tennis pro because he was really good at serves, but never returned a volley?
...or hiring a race-car driver that was really good at getting on and off pit road, but couldn't drive over 70mph?
...or having a tinfoil opinion on all null sec alliances based on a very narrow cross-section of actual experience?
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Luc Chastot
Daktaklakpak.
472
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:17:00 -
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3 months for this? Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2583
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:34:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:When are you nerfing links?
Your question is flawed:
It should say, why aren't you nerfing links more!!!!!
Links are straight up broken, and extremely detrimental to solo and small gang PvP! |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1311
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:41:00 -
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Whatever the changes, we shall adapt, and six months from now, most of us will have forgotten what the old ships were like. This is not a signature. |
Kevin Emoto
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
29
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:26:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Little known fact: Miley Cyrus' hit song "We Can't Stop" was entirely based upon the story of CCP's balance team.
Our deepest apologies.
Well, you had to top incarna some how for bad game design decisions. Mission Accomplished
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1682
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:27:00 -
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I object! I some of the changes (shield booster bonus) will have a net positive effect on my EVE! The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4544
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:30:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Vyktor Abyss wrote:Not happy about many of the changes and feedback given in those threads.
All ignored, like many other valid posters - glad to see CCP still working as intended. Just because one doesn't agree with every single person's suggestion doesn't mean feedback is being ignored. We take everything posted into consideration. At the end of the day, our jobs are do what's best for the game using our best judgement, and often that means differing from what some specific players want. You mean your best judgement, given the gaming background you have. Tell me, when was the last time CCP hired a game designer that was wholeheartedly a high sec player? Last year the big jab at CCP devs that discussed their professions in EVE was that too many were high sec care bears.
I guess it all depends on whose orifice you pull your accusations out of. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4544
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:33:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:When are you nerfing links? Links are being nerfed for a few reasons. Two reasons that stand out are: 1. CCP loves blob warfare, and skirmish links let well-skilled small gangs operate to some degree against blobs. So they were nerfed, hard. 2. Null sec cartels, especially those trying to force more people into null sec rental situations, hate high sec incursion runners. Therefore, CCP nerfed the links, knowing that weaker links (about 21% effective repping for armour ), will require bigger tanks, thereby lowering DPS, hence lowering income. And they know this is the gift that keeps on giving, when later this year they force OBG's ongrid, hammering incursion income further.
Since blobs are able to leverage the benefits of links far more effectively than small gangs what you are actually saying is "Thank you CCP for helping small gangs to survive."
That's quite sweet of you actually. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Dysgenesis
Dhoomcats
12
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Posted - 2013.08.27 22:07:00 -
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This forum is really tinfoil central atm.
Overall Fozzie/Rise good job. Not everything is perfect but that is what iteration is for. The finalised HAC and CS changes are much better than the ones initially proposed which I hope shows the value of the communities feedback. And don't worry, most of the feedback that was "ignored" was so because it was terrible. |
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
413
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Posted - 2013.08.27 22:32:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
Since blobs are able to leverage the benefits of links far more effectively than small gangs what you are actually saying is "Thank you CCP for helping small gangs to survive."
That's quite sweet of you actually.
Said by no one. Never seen a blob catch a small gang of equal intelligence.
Whats easier to coordinate; 10 people or 200?
Links don't win fights |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1241
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Posted - 2013.08.27 22:42:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
You mean your best judgement, given the gaming background you have. Tell me, when was the last time CCP hired a game designer that was wholeheartedly a high sec player?
by referencing his background when he was player or any other theoretical CCP employee you are committing a logical fallacy.
the fact is CCP hired him and in their best judgement (and mine) he got the job.
get over it.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1241
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Posted - 2013.08.27 22:48:00 -
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There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Polarized.
56
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Posted - 2013.08.27 22:52:00 -
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I can't wait until all this rebalancing is done so we can finally get fun, new content. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2539
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Posted - 2013.08.27 23:29:00 -
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Quinn Corvez wrote:I can't wait until all this rebalancing is done so we can finally get fun, new content.
Well since Rise and Fozzie are devoted to this stuff I doubt lack of balance changes is going to make content output any better.
It's like asking the art devs for bug fixes.
Fozzie and Rise can probably have some input on content based development, but certainly dont appear to have had that in their job description... The Drake is a Lie |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
685
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:17:00 -
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Zeus Maximo wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Since blobs are able to leverage the benefits of links far more effectively than small gangs what you are actually saying is "Thank you CCP for helping small gangs to survive."
That's quite sweet of you actually.
Said by no one. Never seen a blob catch a small gang of equal intelligence. Whats easier to coordinate; 10 people or 200? Links don't win fights Yet we keep hearing how nerfing links will kill small gangs and make engaging larger number impossible. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4585
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Posted - 2013.08.28 04:15:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: You mean your best judgement, given the gaming background you have. Tell me, when was the last time CCP hired a game designer that was wholeheartedly a high sec player?
hilmar, the highsec miner |
Elarath
Armed Aviation Club The Kadeshi
0
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Posted - 2013.08.28 06:29:00 -
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Dear Fozzie, what about the hull changes of 50% of the CS's?
Any decisions made yet? Or may i have simply overlooked that part.
I think the 1.1 Patch is going to work out well. Looks pretty solid for me now. |
Roime
Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo
3302
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Posted - 2013.08.28 07:07:00 -
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That's a hugeasston of rebalancing when compiled into one dev blog- awesome work!
Looking forward to the drone balance pass and the CS hull changes.
Ten Thousand Years is recruiting pioneer spirits to Solitude. |
Electra Magnetic
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
11
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Posted - 2013.08.28 08:14:00 -
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Seriously Thank you!
But
These changes shouldn't have taken months and months to be made. The serious lack of forward progress by the dev team is appalling. It took two devs and a little "peace and quiet" for them to make leaps and bounds of progress, but when they are all working together nothing gets done.
Im happy with the balancing pass so far. Though not sure I agree with the reduction to tracking for medium long range turrets. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
238
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Posted - 2013.08.28 10:33:00 -
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Excellent! |
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