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Dragon Outlaw
Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda
171
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:11:00 -
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The rise in numbers of "systems for rent" across null may help bring the price of same renting systems down. This "renting" thing may bring a lot of people into nulll sec again. Which is not a bad thing. This could even help some of the renters become systems owners themselves. |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
Renzler Industries Northern Associates.
191
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:13:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Why pay rent to live in Null Sec... when you can simply join a nulls sec corp without much effort and dont pay some stupid rent I don't pay rent... I pay tax.
I have checked out some Null Sec Corps, but my PvP character isn't where it should be (working on it). So I (this Corp) is merging with a heavy PvP focused Corp. Small/Solo work. I will learn. I will pay tax with them also.
I have no experience or knowledge with any of the major Nullsec Corps... is everything free? No cost to the player at all? That would be tempting.
At present my corp requires virtually nothing of me, in your experience what does the major Null Corps require? |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:27:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote: You are describing the hardship of operating in null without the backing of a large coalition. You are arguing that circumventing that hardship by paying someone else allows you to be "free" and to "play the game" the way you want. But, the hardship that you guys are describing IS "the game" of EVE Online . . . isn't it? And if it is, and if you are avoiding it, then what are you paying for? If it isn't, then what IS the game?
There are many parts to EvE. A small PvP Corp might not want the requirement that come with defending sovereignty, so instead they rent space and use it as a base of operation to support their PvP. Do you feel this is wrong? Very few players do everything in EvE; and most pick those areas that they are interested in. Some players have never mined, traded, run industry, etc. It is a choice.
I don't feel that the individual is fully wrong for making choices for strictly economic reasons. I do feel that in aggregate, it is leading civilization on a path that I don't want to go down. The overlord that you are paying will use what you pay him to extinguish all resistance, and once he has done that . . . well, what happens when there is only 1 wolf in a world full of sheep? Given that you cannot fight for yourself, what is to stop him from raising the rent or reducing the benefits or just extinguishing you, too? |
Trudeaux Margaret
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
121
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:28:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:AFK cloaking is the best way to play eve
Oh awesome! I have been given permission, personally, by Alavaria herself (himself? sorry. whichever) to fly my cloaky ship of choice to the new Goon renter systems and go invisible while I do housework. Doing this once they are occupied will be extra-fun.
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Enduros
Ostian Industries
3
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:35:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote: At present my corp requires virtually nothing of me, in your experience what does the major Null Corps require?
This is pretty much it. If your corp rents the only requirement is a tax at like 15-20%. And ofcourse it would be nice if you logged in every one in a while and actually made use of the space. But really there is no problems with dead weight as they like to call it. I
n a sov alliance you are expected to show up for ops, which is fair. But the ops themselves are rather dreadful activities, especially if you rather be doing something else. You are also expected to deploy to warzone far away, moving your own ships. And if you don't show up it's all fine and well too until you either get kicked from corp or your space gets taken etc. It very much feels like a second job.
Worst thing is they make you contaminate your skill tree with terrible things like being able to fly a drake. It's a horrible ship and everyone flying one deserves to be awoxed and podded.
Lots of people enjoy that kind of gameplay and good luck to them. I hope the isk I pay as rent gets them many good fights and what not. It's just not for everyone and I appreciate them making this arrangement for myself and likeminded. |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
Renzler Industries Northern Associates.
191
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:36:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote: I don't feel that the individual is fully wrong for making choices for strictly economic reasons...
So far.. so good.
Mayhaw Morgan wrote: I do feel that in aggregate, it is leading civilization on a path that I don't want to go down.... What civilization?
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:... The overlord that you are paying will use what you pay him to extinguish all resistance, and once he has done that . . . well, what happens when there is only 1 wolf in a world full of sheep? Given that you cannot fight for yourself, what is to stop him from raising the rent or reducing the benefits or just extinguishing you, too? If you are talking about Corp leadership, I have already had CEOs that were less than honest... I manage the risk.
If the question is with regards to who the Corp rents from, I can return to Highsec and regroup in very short order... with minor loss in assets. Risk vs reward. I manger the risk. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1166
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:38:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:More ISK, more opportunity, and more freedom. More... unchecked botting for the RMT farm?
It is fascinating to read all the people who were "nerf high sec in the name of risk vs return", are all now claiming "come to null sec and partake in the fountain of riches".
Guess they know their job is done and high sec income potential is soon to be hammered into the ground. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
Renzler Industries Northern Associates.
191
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:43:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
It is fascinating to read all the people who were "nerf high sec in the name of risk vs return", are all now claiming "come to null sec and partake in the fountain of riches".
Guess they know their job is done and high sec income potential is soon to be hammered into the ground.
I don't recall saying anything about nerf highsec. Do you have me confused with someone else.
Note: I don't want anyone to come to Null. I don't want my Neighborhood too crowded. |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
739
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:53:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
It is fascinating to read all the people who were "nerf high sec in the name of risk vs return", are all now claiming "come to null sec and partake in the fountain of riches".
Guess they know their job is done and high sec income potential is soon to be hammered into the ground.
I don't recall saying anything about nerf highsec. Do you have me confused with someone else. Note: I don't want anyone to come to Null. I don't want my Neighborhood too crowded. i see. exploring in NA territory for a couple of days and yesterday i found first (!!!) settled system with station and people logged in
yea, the best place to live is empty space (read "live" = "farm ISK") yea, the best place to "PVP" is empty space (read "PVP" = "farm ISK")
i remember my time in deeps of Legion of Death space.... when i haven't see neutral face for days. PvP? yes, people used to travel 20+ jumps into LXQ or other "pvp" systems to do any pvp....
Again: people pay rent to farm ISK in safety of deep 0.0 space where chance to meet any danger is almost zero. |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
Renzler Industries Northern Associates.
191
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Posted - 2013.08.29 13:33:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:...Again: people pay rent to farm ISK in safety of deep 0.0 space where chance to meet any danger is almost zero. The PvP corps I have looked at do seem to use the rental space for income and base their PvP in lowsec. I will know more next month.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1167
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Posted - 2013.08.29 13:35:00 -
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March rabbit i see. exploring in NA territory for a couple of days and yesterday i found first (!!!) settled system with station and people logged in [:o wrote:
yea, the best place to live is empty space (read "live" = "farm ISK") yea, the best place to "PVP" is empty space (read "PVP" = "farm ISK")
i remember my time in deeps of Legion of Death space.... when i haven't see neutral face for days. PvP? yes, people used to travel 20+ jumps into LXQ or other "pvp" systems to do any pvp....
Again: people pay rent to farm ISK in safety of deep 0.0 space where chance to meet any danger is almost zero.
And it has always been that way. The risk of living in deep null sec, behind a huge blue wall, is indeed near zero. But that does not stop the null sec cartels from wanting high sec crushed.
If the high sec income streams are extinguished, that means the null sec income streams represent a bigger piece of the economic pie. And since the cartel leaders are getting a cut of all that income, that means that the cartel leaders are simply expanding their relative wealth spread to the rest of the player base.
When individual players in the game measure their wealth by the trillions, and their monthly personal income by the hundreds of billions, you really have to wonder what they do with that money. At least, some wonder. The obvious answer is the one that shall not be named.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4243
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Posted - 2013.08.29 13:44:00 -
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I love to be blue. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
Renzler Industries Northern Associates.
191
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Posted - 2013.08.29 13:45:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:I love to be blue.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2620
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Posted - 2013.08.29 13:51:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:More ISK, more opportunity, and more freedom. More... unchecked botting for the RMT farm?
We're talking about null sec, not the Forge (where most botting occurs). |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2620
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:06:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote:*un dock set some relaxing music video on 2nd screen,lay down in a chair and reads a book.....
Damn sure is good being hi sec carebear cheap too. Hi Sec makes people superior and slightly magical. I, for example, can rat and mine at the same time without being at my PC or using a bot. And all that with just one account. - High Sec, it's magic.
Since I've come back to hi sec I've suffered from null withdrawal. I jump into a system and see all those neutrals and get scared, then I realize that magical space police will appear to punish any and all who try to slay me (blessed by my buffer tank).
I find myself in a mission feeling like something is wrong. I look to where I used to have local chat by reflex, but it's not even there, it's minimized.
I go to answer the door and have to fight the urge to run back to my computer "because I forgot to dock"....because I don't have to worry about such things now
And all the time I'm sitting there saying to myself "yep, those high sec guys were right, null is much safer"
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4243
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:11:00 -
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That magical police state There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
254
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:16:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:The renting of controlled Null Sec space, is a valid game mechanic, sure, and fair enough, but why pay rent to live there?
Are the riches of Null Sec so rewarding that people are willing to rent the right to live there?
Why reward those who control Null Sec with even more wealth that actually You have earned?
Why provide the Power Blocs with the opportunity to be able to pay for their subsriptions with Your ISK? .
OK, so think of it like this:
You are a poor farmer. A peasant without any land. You graze your cattle on overworked common land along with all the other peasants. You have no space to grow crops. You cattle are unhealthy and small, you can't make money from the milk, they're too small to slaughter and the hides are worthless. Occasionally the other peasants using the common land kick you off. Your children are malnourished, you eat turnips - every day - and your wife thinks you are a disappointment. Your house is also quite terrible - you have to share it with hundreds of other peasants. You have to survive on 1 groat a month.
A wealthy landowner with a private army turns up and says that you can come and work on his land and all you have to do is pay him a tithe. Its 10 groats a month. 10 groats is allot but when you think about it you'll have some prime land all of your own, your cattle will graze and be healthy, there is enough land to grow crops. After you do the math, you realise that you'll be making 100 groats a month easily. In fact you'll have to take on staff to make the land make the most money. You'll not only get a spanking new space castle home but you can build country estates, the land owner will make sure your land is irrigated at no additional cost, he'll even send his standing army in to protect you should the revolting peasants turn up. That army will never set foot on your land unless its to protect it and they certainly can't farm on it. Its punishable by death. The children get new toys, the wife is happy and you'll never have to see another turnip again.
You take the landowner up on his offer and after a while you're stinking rich with none of the responsibility of actually maintaining the estate you live on (ok, the country estates need firewood). The peasants you left behind shout "renter" at you, which really means nothing as you look down on them from your golden carriage, dressed in your finest clothes. You even shoot one for the fun of it. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4243
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:19:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Deka Ekato wrote:The renting of controlled Null Sec space, is a valid game mechanic, sure, and fair enough, but why pay rent to live there?
Are the riches of Null Sec so rewarding that people are willing to rent the right to live there?
Why reward those who control Null Sec with even more wealth that actually You have earned?
Why provide the Power Blocs with the opportunity to be able to pay for their subsriptions with Your ISK? . OK, so think of it like this: You are a poor farmer. A peasant without any land. You graze your cattle on overworked common land along with all the other peasants. You have no space to grow crops. You cattle are unhealthy and small, you can't make money from the milk, they're too small to slaughter and the hides are worthless. Occasionally the other peasants using the common land kick you off. Your children are malnourished, you eat turnips - every day - and your wife thinks you are a disappointment. Your house is also quite terrible - you have to share it with hundreds of other peasants. You have to survive on 1 groat a month. A wealthy landowner with a private army turns up and says that you can come and work on his land and all you have to do is pay him a tithe. Its 10 groats a month. 10 groats is allot but when you think about it you'll have some prime land all of your own, your cattle will graze and be healthy, there is enough land to grow crops. After you do the math, you realise that you'll be making 100 groats a month easily. In fact you'll have to take on staff to make the land make the most money. You'll not only get a spanking new space castle home but you can build country estates, the land owner will make sure your land is irrigated at no additional cost, he'll even send his standing army in to protect you should the revolting peasants turn up. That army will never set foot on your land unless its to protect it and they certainly can't farm on it. Its punishable by death. The children get new toys, the wife is happy and you'll never have to see another turnip again. You take the landowner up on his offer and after a while you're stinking rich with none of the responsibility of actually maintaining the estate you live on (ok, the country estates need firewood). The peasants you left behind shout "renter" at you, which really means nothing as you look down on them from your golden carriage, dressed in your finest clothes. You even shoot one for the fun of it. Mmm, farms, fields and livestock.
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2621
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:24:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Deka Ekato wrote:The renting of controlled Null Sec space, is a valid game mechanic, sure, and fair enough, but why pay rent to live there?
Are the riches of Null Sec so rewarding that people are willing to rent the right to live there?
Why reward those who control Null Sec with even more wealth that actually You have earned?
Why provide the Power Blocs with the opportunity to be able to pay for their subsriptions with Your ISK? . OK, so think of it like this: You are a poor farmer. A peasant without any land. You graze your cattle on overworked common land along with all the other peasants. You have no space to grow crops. You cattle are unhealthy and small, you can't make money from the milk, they're too small to slaughter and the hides are worthless. Occasionally the other peasants using the common land kick you off. Your children are malnourished, you eat turnips - every day - and your wife thinks you are a disappointment. Your house is also quite terrible - you have to share it with hundreds of other peasants. You have to survive on 1 groat a month. A wealthy landowner with a private army turns up and says that you can come and work on his land and all you have to do is pay him a tithe. Its 10 groats a month. 10 groats is allot but when you think about it you'll have some prime land all of your own, your cattle will graze and be healthy, there is enough land to grow crops. After you do the math, you realise that you'll be making 100 groats a month easily. In fact you'll have to take on staff to make the land make the most money. You'll not only get a spanking new space castle home but you can build country estates, the land owner will make sure your land is irrigated at no additional cost, he'll even send his standing army in to protect you should the revolting peasants turn up. That army will never set foot on your land unless its to protect it and they certainly can't farm on it. Its punishable by death. The children get new toys, the wife is happy and you'll never have to see another turnip again. You take the landowner up on his offer and after a while you're stinking rich with none of the responsibility of actually maintaining the estate you live on (ok, the country estates need firewood). The peasants you left behind shout "renter" at you, which really means nothing as you look down on them from your golden carriage, dressed in your finest clothes. You even shoot one for the fun of it.
I'm serious, I laughed so hard reading the end of this. The imagery is magical :) .
Sign me up to rent from you evil mother ****** s!
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4243
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:29:00 -
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But missions don't run out, do they? Unlike rocks I guess. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
29926
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:36:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:People like paying for the privilege of not having to defend their space. You know those alliances that fall apart when they get invaded? They should be renting. Test Alliance, Please Rent (then NCdot will defend you even if you manage to drop all your sov)
Wait..are you really offering us a place in the heart of your newly founded slave empire amongst all the carebears ?
Hmmm.
Sounds like a reasonable and well thought out plan.
What could possibly go wrong?
Hell, this could be even more fun than joining CVA!
Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4244
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:38:00 -
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No, join ncdot, that way your isk will go towards destroying gsf There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Anuminas Alland
Aspergus Carebearnaise
4
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:38:00 -
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K, I'm sold, here's 10 groats. Can you guys JF all my stuff out? I'll contract all the corp goods over to you. I totes trust all of you now.
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BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
298
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:41:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:"Why reward those who control Null Sec..."
This is both your answer and where you fall from understanding.
Think of it this way: Why pay rent for a house you don't own?
Someone, other than the renter, took the initiative and spent an enormous amount of time and resources to secure that space, So you could come just come by and make isk.
If you want it for free, come and take it. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
29926
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:42:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:No, join ncdot, that way your isk will go towards destroying gsf
But PBLRD sounds like so much fun
You know...the thing about keeping your friends close and your enemies closer...
Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
740
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Posted - 2013.08.29 15:41:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:The renting of controlled Null Sec space, is a valid game mechanic, sure, and fair enough, but why pay rent to live there?
Are the riches of Null Sec so rewarding that people are willing to rent the right to live there?
Why reward those who control Null Sec with even more wealth that actually You have earned?
Why provide the Power Blocs with the opportunity to be able to pay for their subsriptions with Your ISK?
Hey, its only a game. You are bound to find other ways to enjoy Eve.
Why waste your ISK so as to have fun.
Don't allow the Power Blocs to brag, "Look at how much space we have". Make them earn the right to be able to say, "Look at how much space we can controll".
Move out of controlled Null Sec, and DON'T pay rent.
To clarify, this is an anti-renting thread.
Deka.
Don't understand EvE?
I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:( Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4245
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Posted - 2013.08.29 15:47:00 -
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EVE Online is harsh and cold.
We have a nice house with heating. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1136
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Posted - 2013.08.29 15:48:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Watch the game mechanic changes coming in with the December iteration, and then you will see why people will be moving into null. Do you hear the black helicopters flying over your house at night?
hurrrr derp derp ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
728
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Posted - 2013.08.29 15:50:00 -
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all people renting should be banned, and all alliances renting space should be banned
if they like a real estate simulation then they should paly sim city ... |
SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
66
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Posted - 2013.08.29 15:52:00 -
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I agree with harry people playing with other people in a multiplayer game are doing it wrong! ... |
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