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Jove Death
Red Dawn Mercenaries Whores in space
47
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Posted - 2013.08.29 07:31:00 -
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HI IGÇÖm trying to get my head around something so I thought I would ask here.
With the EULA rule advising that if a char feels he is being harassed by another char this is a ban able offence. Reason why IGÇÖm asking is that a char has requested a gank of ten times or more on a NPC char and in my head this is bordering a petition from the NPC char for harassment and breaching EULA rules?.
Then again if this is the case and this is classed as harassment isnGÇÖt this then pushing the border of harassment of a char mining then being ganked all the time by one corp, or one solo char and the only way it will stop is to pay isk which then could be classed as bullying which is included in EULA as harassment?.
Under war rules it is different but if a NPC char is just trying to play the game can he or she petition this to be stopped?. Would like some clarification thanks
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1593
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Posted - 2013.08.29 07:38:00 -
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No lol. I don't even understand why you are asking this when you're in a mercenary corp of a high sec ganker alliance. Oh god. |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
163
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Posted - 2013.08.29 07:42:00 -
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Why don't you use a couple of alts?
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William Walker
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
309
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Posted - 2013.08.29 07:42:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:No lol. I don't even understand why you are asking this when you're in a mercenary corp of a high sec ganker alliance. Probably just worried he/she can get into trouble for killing idiots in space. pâ+(*GîÆGêçGîÆ*)n+ë pü+(pé£GêçpÇü-¦)pü+ (GùòGÇ+GùòG£+) |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
199
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Posted - 2013.08.29 07:43:00 -
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File a petition for an official answer.
However as a general rule, if they have a reason for the continually ganking you ie; you need to buy a mining permit, then its ok.
If you move to another system, which is a significant distance away, and they follow you and you decide to move to another system a significant distance away and they follow you again. Then you might have a case.
Imagine if a player joined your corp, stole from you and dropped into a NPC corp. Would you feel it was ok to hunt them down and repeatedly blow up their ships? |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1204
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Posted - 2013.08.29 07:46:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:No lol. I don't even understand why you are asking this when you're in a mercenary corp of a high sec ganker alliance. Bacon......... That's why! I'm currently taking bets on the following: - CCP Games becomes EA Games' property. - EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere. |
Jove Death
Red Dawn Mercenaries Whores in space
47
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Posted - 2013.08.29 07:46:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:No lol. I don't even understand why you are asking this when you're in a mercenary corp of a high sec ganker alliance.
lol I know who I am thanks and what corp im in but its one of those wake up in the morning with a question on my mind. Personally im happy to blow up a char any time of the day |
Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
414
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Posted - 2013.08.29 07:47:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Riot Girl wrote:No lol. I don't even understand why you are asking this when you're in a mercenary corp of a high sec ganker alliance. Bacon......... That's why! Always relevant. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
814
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Posted - 2013.08.29 08:23:00 -
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I have only ever heard of 2 people being banned for harassment and neither instance was related to internet spaceships in any other way than words said or typed.
Eve is Real |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
Renzler Industries Northern Associates.
191
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Posted - 2013.08.29 08:33:00 -
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Jove Death wrote:...Reason why IGÇÖm asking is that a char has requested a gank of ten times or more on a NPC char and in my head this is bordering a petition from the NPC char for harassment and breaching EULA rules?...
My opinion, if the character you are going to 'gank' ten times or more is a new player... that might be Crossing the Rubicon. |
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Suddenly Spaceships.
803
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Posted - 2013.08.29 08:54:00 -
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I dont even remember the names of the people I kill in this game...is it harrassment if i kill someone multiple times because he keeps coming back in this badger mark one to low sec?
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
648
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Posted - 2013.08.29 09:02:00 -
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"Harrassment" is when someone would, for example, send you eve mails which contain rascism, sexist remarks, or personal attacks. It's indeed about harassing players, not shooting at their ships a couple of times. That's a part of normal gameplay. You can assume "non-consentual combat is not grief play" as per that link. You'd have to take this pretty far for it to be counted as griefing.
If you are really worried, interact with the victim and gauge his mental state. How likely is it that the dude will run crying to a GM in the first place? |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
491
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Posted - 2013.08.29 09:15:00 -
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I'm sure I read somewhere there's a limit. I'm sure if you keep following the same person around endlessly bumping them for example that was considered against the rules griefing. I'd be very surprised if even CCP had no limits on how much you can grief. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4029
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Posted - 2013.08.29 09:22:00 -
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I remember something being published some time ago about targeted action against a specific character for an extended period of time counting as harassment and possibly leading to action against you by the game masters. The principle behind it at the time was that attempting to force someone out of the game by continually ganking them was not welcome behaviour.
Please petition it, and let us know the general outcome of the petition.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
TheBlueMonkey
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
503
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Posted - 2013.08.29 09:22:00 -
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Harassment is about the player not the character.
It's why people get shouted at for saying things like "kill your self" but not for "bio mass your self". One's aimed at the player, one's aimed at the character. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
491
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Posted - 2013.08.29 09:26:00 -
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Not the clearest of answers but: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1282779#post1282779
Essentially it seems the answer is "use common sense". If you are disrupting someone's play continuously and they report you, you could get banned. It seems it's mostly about picking on one person over and over causing them distress.
I mean if you think about if from a CCP point of view. If you harass 3 people, and they all stop playing, CCP loses 3 subs. If they ban you for harassment, they only lose 1. So don't disrupt CCPs dollar and you are alright. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family The Retirement Club
46
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:13:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Not the clearest of answers but: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1282779#post1282779Essentially it seems the answer is "use common sense". If you are disrupting someone's play continuously and they report you, you could get banned. It seems it's mostly about picking on one person over and over causing them distress. I mean if you think about if from a CCP point of view. If you harass 3 people, and they all stop playing, CCP loses 3 subs. If they ban you for harassment, they only lose 1. So don't disrupt CCPs dollar and you are alright.
If people make no effort to move to another area it is not harrassment. If you have reasonable expectation of profit it is not harrassment. People ragequit EVE all the time and CCP are well aware that the real meaningful losses are also why they still have a game 10 years down the line. Is hiring mercs to clear a system of rival miners harrasment? Is Test being hounded out of 3 regions harrassment? Is the guy who brought 3 unfitted ships to the same FW plex over a 2 hour period able to claim harrassment? Is hunting down corp thieves or awoxers harrassment? Is war deccing random corps harrassment?
Almost nothing in EVE is deemed harrassment under the EULA although IRL threats are taken very seriously. People who gank miners are never banned but many miners have had temp/perm bans for the IRL threats they have issued. Same for awoxers and corp thieves. Basically defend what you have, hide from people or accept your losses as a price of doing business. Whatever you do in EVE you can find fairly safe places to do it in high, low, wh or null. It isn't other peoples fault if you don't try to do this. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:15:00 -
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I insulted a notorious contract / margin trading scammer in Jita by saying his mother is a cankerous wh*re.
I got reported for that, and a written warning in my mailbox as well. Silly really. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16220
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:19:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Jove Death wrote:...Reason why IGÇÖm asking is that a char has requested a gank of ten times or more on a NPC char and in my head this is bordering a petition from the NPC char for harassment and breaching EULA rules?...
My opinion, if the character you are going to 'gank' ten times or more is a new player... that might be Crossing the Rubicon. ^^ Pretty much that, but even then, it's iffy. Just don't be this guy: http://eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=5360 GÇö stay away from people in newbie frigates in the newbie systems, and don't make it so that they can't play the game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Jove Death wrote:...Reason why IGÇÖm asking is that a char has requested a gank of ten times or more on a NPC char and in my head this is bordering a petition from the NPC char for harassment and breaching EULA rules?...
My opinion, if the character you are going to 'gank' ten times or more is a new player... that might be Crossing the Rubicon. ^^ Pretty much that, but even then, it's iffy. Just don't be this guy: http://eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=5360 GÇö stay away from people in newbie frigates in the newbie systems, and don't make it so that they can't play the game.
Why isn't that guy banned yet? My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16220
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:02:00 -
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Mycool Jahksn wrote:Why isn't that guy banned yet? Most likely because they're newbies and don't know the rules or the reporting mechanisms yet.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
495
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:06:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Not the clearest of answers but: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1282779#post1282779Essentially it seems the answer is "use common sense". If you are disrupting someone's play continuously and they report you, you could get banned. It seems it's mostly about picking on one person over and over causing them distress. I mean if you think about if from a CCP point of view. If you harass 3 people, and they all stop playing, CCP loses 3 subs. If they ban you for harassment, they only lose 1. So don't disrupt CCPs dollar and you are alright. If people make no effort to move to another area it is not harrassment. If you have reasonable expectation of profit it is not harrassment. People ragequit EVE all the time and CCP are well aware that the real meaningful losses are also why they still have a game 10 years down the line. Is hiring mercs to clear a system of rival miners harrasment? Is Test being hounded out of 3 regions harrassment? Is the guy who brought 3 unfitted ships to the same FW plex over a 2 hour period able to claim harrassment? Is hunting down corp thieves or awoxers harrassment? Is war deccing random corps harrassment? Almost nothing in EVE is deemed harrassment under the EULA although IRL threats are taken very seriously. People who gank miners are never banned but many miners have had temp/perm bans for the IRL threats they have issued. Same for awoxers and corp thieves. Basically defend what you have, hide from people or accept your losses as a price of doing business. Whatever you do in EVE you can find fairly safe places to do it in high, low, wh or null. It isn't other peoples fault if you don't try to do this. The EULA has a fairly broad scope on griefing. You can say all of thsi, but CCPs officially answered in that link. You can get warnd for it and too many warning can get you a ban. You can stamp your feet and point at the EULA all you want, but they make the decisions. If they deem what you are doing to be counter to another players enjoyment of them game, they can punish you.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
S D Plissken
2
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:24:00 -
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I got a warning from a GM for typing the word kr**t in a chat channel describing a german player. I challenged it and the warning has been rejected. I accept the ruling but I do not understand it. In Jita local you read all kinds of derogatory terms for almost every nationality, but do you realy report them all? Harasment is a broad term and totaly subject to CCP ruling. My answer would be ...deal with it. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2013.08.29 13:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Why isn't that guy banned yet? Most likely because they're newbies and don't know the rules or the reporting mechanisms yet.
Well, I did what any sane person would do. Reported him.
EVE might be cold and hard but being an assh*le to someone who doesn't have more than 5 minutes of experience, an ibis and a bit of trit in his hand is just below low. My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
462
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:01:00 -
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If they call you racial, religous, cultural, or other sexual orientational slurrs, then you can petition for them to be banned and I've known people that have been banned because of it.
Also if you are newbie in a newbie starting system and if they kill you there then it is against the rules.
There are other rules that mention griefplay tactics are forbidden but its vague and not really applical if they aren't using an exploit of sorts. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4243
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:04:00 -
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Lady Scarlet jokes were banned There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4587
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:05:00 -
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Jove Death wrote: With the EULA rule advising that if a char feels he is being harassed by another char this is a ban able offence.
uh no just feeling harassed doesn't let you get someone banned
you have to actually be harassed according to the rather stringent definitions |
Maxpie
MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
326
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:34:00 -
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I kill npc's all the time. They never complain. Never even try to warp out. Anyway, it hasn't been considered harassment.
No good deed goes unpunished |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
145
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Posted - 2013.08.29 14:54:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:I kill npc's all the time. They never complain. Never even try to warp out. Anyway, it hasn't been considered harassment.
In low and null sec it seems the NPC will warp away if you kill the largest NPC on the grid. |
Sky' Darkstar
Dark Star Operations.
4
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:17:00 -
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*Evil villain voice*
EVE is a harsh cruel and unforgiving universe full of backstabbers, scoundrels, and seedy characters looking for every opportunity to take what is yours and add it to theirs. In this universe, you decide your destiny. Will you be the noble trader? or the Seedy pirate? Your decisions matter in this dark gritty sci-fi world. A sandbox like no other, and the ability to affect and make changes across the entire single-shard universe...
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But don't follow miners and bump them, that's harassment.
And don't hunt down and kill the same guy a handful of times, that's griefing.
But seriously! It's a really dark and gritty world!... Most of the time!
Don't kill new players either...
Harsh backstabbing universe!
-Sky' |
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