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baltec1
Bat Country
8187
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:57:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
It really does not matter if I can over-tank NPC rats, when my DPS is so low I can't kill them as fast as any T1 BS.
DPS is the same and the supertank lets you engage entire roaming gangs alone while being immune to E-war.
They have many advantages over the t1 hulls. |
Tragedy
The Creepshow
104
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Posted - 2013.10.11 19:17:00 -
[5372] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
It really does not matter if I can over-tank NPC rats, when my DPS is so low I can't kill them as fast as any T1 BS.
DPS is the same and the supertank lets you engage entire roaming gangs alone while being immune to E-war. They have many advantages over the t1 hulls. This. A web bonus would be too much. We've been practicing trying to tackle these things in gangs on sisi. Marauders are shitting all over groups of people. You're gonna have a damn hard time holding a point on these unless you get close. You get close you're screwed with a single web and the hulls massive tracking bonus. If you dont get close, even better! You're screwed either way.
Dinsdale, stfu about wanting everything on these damn hulls. Want webs in your incursions? Bring a web ship. Marauders cant do everything, and theres more to this ******* game then incursions. |
TheFace Asano
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.10.11 19:57:00 -
[5373] - Quote
Tragedy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
It really does not matter if I can over-tank NPC rats, when my DPS is so low I can't kill them as fast as any T1 BS.
DPS is the same and the supertank lets you engage entire roaming gangs alone while being immune to E-war. They have many advantages over the t1 hulls. This. A web bonus would be too much. We've been practicing trying to tackle these things in gangs on sisi. Marauders are shitting all over groups of people. You're gonna have a damn hard time holding a point on these unless you get close. You get close you're screwed with a single web and the hulls massive tracking bonus. If you dont get close, even better! You're screwed either way. Dinsdale, stfu about wanting everything on these damn hulls. Want webs in your incursions? Bring a web ship. Marauders cant do everything, and theres more to this ******* game then incursions.
The only thing even solo that I would be afraid of is a larger class ship or a medium size gang. Small gangs are going to have to output quite a bit of dps to break the tank. I took out another BS without heat or even using half of one of my ASB's charges. The 137% boots on a single XL ASB is insane with the 75ish% across the board resists in Bastion (2xinvuls). The kill showed he had 2x 1600 plates, eanm, and a damage control, which is a good sized buffer tank. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4732
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:16:00 -
[5374] - Quote
TheFace Asano wrote:Tragedy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
It really does not matter if I can over-tank NPC rats, when my DPS is so low I can't kill them as fast as any T1 BS.
DPS is the same and the supertank lets you engage entire roaming gangs alone while being immune to E-war. They have many advantages over the t1 hulls. This. A web bonus would be too much. We've been practicing trying to tackle these things in gangs on sisi. Marauders are shitting all over groups of people. You're gonna have a damn hard time holding a point on these unless you get close. You get close you're screwed with a single web and the hulls massive tracking bonus. If you dont get close, even better! You're screwed either way. Dinsdale, stfu about wanting everything on these damn hulls. Want webs in your incursions? Bring a web ship. Marauders cant do everything, and theres more to this ******* game then incursions. The only thing even solo that I would be afraid of is a larger class ship or a medium size gang. Small gangs are going to have to output quite a bit of dps to break the tank. I took out another BS without heat or even using half of one of my ASB's charges. The 137% boots on a single XL ASB is insane with the 75ish% across the board resists in Bastion (2xinvuls). The kill showed he had 2x 1600 plates, eanm, and a damage control, which is a good sized buffer tank. According to Dinsdale you're lucky he was in a BS... if he had been in a frigate you'd have been dead without a web bonus. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1315
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:16:00 -
[5375] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
It really does not matter if I can over-tank NPC rats, when my DPS is so low I can't kill them as fast as any T1 BS.
DPS is the same and the supertank lets you engage entire roaming gangs alone while being immune to E-war. They have many advantages over the t1 hulls.
Right..The fact that the drone bandwidth is cut by 2/3's is not a nerf in your world. The fact that the dual web's are being nerfed 92% in effectiveness (yeah, speed of a dual webbed target is now 16 times faster) , that doesn't affect DPS either, huh?
And NO ONE will be taking out roaming gangs of these ships, because they are too damn slow. Unless of course, as I stated, you have a Titan or jump bridge network at your disposal. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1315
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:20:00 -
[5376] - Quote
Tragedy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
It really does not matter if I can over-tank NPC rats, when my DPS is so low I can't kill them as fast as any T1 BS.
DPS is the same and the supertank lets you engage entire roaming gangs alone while being immune to E-war. They have many advantages over the t1 hulls. This. A web bonus would be too much. We've been practicing trying to tackle these things in gangs on sisi. Marauders are shitting all over groups of people. You're gonna have a damn hard time holding a point on these unless you get close. You get close you're screwed with a single web and the hulls massive tracking bonus. If you dont get close, even better! You're screwed either way. Dinsdale, stfu about wanting everything on these damn hulls. Want webs in your incursions? Bring a web ship. Marauders cant do everything, and theres more to this ******* game then incursions.
Guess reading is difficult for you. I said I don't want any of the crap they are putting on the ships.
Read up 3 or so posts. If they had increased the scan res and left the rest of the ship alone I would have been happy. I don't want a wrecked ship.
And yeah, I recognize you live in the "PvP is the only thing that matters" bubble, but I live in the Eve universe where the majority of players have to grind for their ISK, and we need a ship class designed for that. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
574
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:20:00 -
[5377] - Quote
Soooo much crying about the pvp viability of a rebalance of a ship that apart from AT was never pvp viable.
IMO, Marauders are much more viable at everything than they used to be.
Those saying they're not any better and/or worse than they are on live.... Are you freaking serious?
Move cap stability Better tank MJD (even awesome in lvl 4s) Less tanking mods = more damage or application mods Ewar immunity More range
Seriously... How are they even remotely as bad as they used to be?
Sure, the hulls themselves aren't that viable, but if you need a fleet ship, just do like everyone does now and use a freaking pirate....
I'm going to be pissed if we lose the awesomeness we have on test cause a few crybabies want an uber pvp ship. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8190
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:29:00 -
[5378] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Right..The fact that the drone bandwidth is cut by 2/3's is not a nerf in your world.
The drones that see the most use in most of my mega over the last three years are armour drones I use to rep my own frigs. Most of the time I dont need to launch any combat drones. They arn't important and you get room for two flights of lights which is good enough for my needs.
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: The fact that the dual web's are being nerfed 92% in effectiveness (yeah, speed of a dual webbed target is now 16 times faster) , that doesn't affect DPS either, huh?
Again, most of the time the target will deep into null range which is out of range of webs. I do perfectly well in megathrons and navy mega with no webs at all.
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: And NO ONE will be taking out roaming gangs of these ships, because they are too damn slow. Unless of course, as I stated, you have a Titan or jump bridge network at your disposal.
I will be taking them out roaming. |
Tragedy
The Creepshow
107
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:36:00 -
[5379] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Tragedy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
It really does not matter if I can over-tank NPC rats, when my DPS is so low I can't kill them as fast as any T1 BS.
DPS is the same and the supertank lets you engage entire roaming gangs alone while being immune to E-war. They have many advantages over the t1 hulls. This. A web bonus would be too much. We've been practicing trying to tackle these things in gangs on sisi. Marauders are shitting all over groups of people. You're gonna have a damn hard time holding a point on these unless you get close. You get close you're screwed with a single web and the hulls massive tracking bonus. If you dont get close, even better! You're screwed either way. Dinsdale, stfu about wanting everything on these damn hulls. Want webs in your incursions? Bring a web ship. Marauders cant do everything, and theres more to this ******* game then incursions. Guess reading is difficult for you. I said I don't want any of the crap they are putting on the ships. Read up 3 or so posts. If they had increased the scan res and left the rest of the ship alone I would have been happy. I don't want a wrecked ship. And yeah, I recognize you live in the "PvP is the only thing that matters" bubble, but I live in the Eve universe where the majority of players have to grind for their ISK, and we need a ship class designed for that. Actually I live in reality. A reality where these ships will be used for BOTH pve and pvp. They're good at both already right now. I ran sanctums in kronos and vargur last night, it was awesome. Better then they are now. I played cat and mouse with my friends, mjd'ing away before they could get tackles on me.
Ive read tons of your posts. I get it. You miss your web. These ships have changed, they're far, far better now. I dont think you understand just how powerful the ewar immunity is. Or how good the damage projection is, and tracking.
Ytterbaum already said hes gonna address the drone bay. Still, they dont need much more. You see 1 use for these ships. I'm seeing them able to be used in almost every aspect of gameplay in fun ways. Without the need for a web bonus. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8190
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:43:00 -
[5380] - Quote
Tragedy wrote: I'm seeing them able to be used in almost every aspect of gameplay in fun ways. Without the need for a web bonus.
You need to try a pipebomb fit with the golem, its shockingly funny as is the anti frig golem fitted with rapid lights and neuts/smart bombs. |
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Tragedy
The Creepshow
107
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:52:00 -
[5381] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Tragedy wrote: I'm seeing them able to be used in almost every aspect of gameplay in fun ways. Without the need for a web bonus. You need to try a pipebomb fit with the golem, its shockingly funny as is the anti frig golem fitted with rapid lights and neuts/smart bombs. ...Thats going on the list right now.
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TheFace Asano
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:03:00 -
[5382] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
It really does not matter if I can over-tank NPC rats, when my DPS is so low I can't kill them as fast as any T1 BS.
DPS is the same and the supertank lets you engage entire roaming gangs alone while being immune to E-war. They have many advantages over the t1 hulls. Right..The fact that the drone bandwidth is cut by 2/3's is not a nerf in your world. The fact that the dual web's are being nerfed 92% in effectiveness (yeah, speed of a dual webbed target is now 16 times faster) , that doesn't affect DPS either, huh? And NO ONE will be taking out roaming gangs of these ships, because they are too damn slow. Unless of course, as I stated, you have a Titan or jump bridge network at your disposal.
You have to factor in that we are likely going to see the speed brought back up on the hulls. You can also MJD 100km every 60 seconds, which can be used tactically to re-position against smaller targets. If I was going to roam with these in a gang, I would bring either one of the new EWAR frigs or any other dedicated platform to bring bonused webs. Why on earth would you have to just bring these in gang for PVP or PVE?
Tactics are going to change more in this patch than any other before it I think just because of the warp speed changes. Frigs and Dessies can warp faster than the larger craft. A Marauder will be able to tank those smaller ships while the rest of the fleet makes it to the engagement area if it is the first ship on grid or the small gang catches the Marauder lagging behind (or groups of other large ships). |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
775
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:08:00 -
[5383] - Quote
TheFace Asano wrote: ...If I was going to roam with these in a gang, I would bring either one of the new EWAR frigs or any other dedicated platform to bring bonused webs. Why on earth would you have to just bring these in gang for PVP or PVE?...
Don't you see? If a ship can't do everything itself it's just another tool for the nullsec hordes because the rest of us can't figure out how to work in groups outside of incursions. |
TheFace Asano
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:14:00 -
[5384] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:TheFace Asano wrote: ...If I was going to roam with these in a gang, I would bring either one of the new EWAR frigs or any other dedicated platform to bring bonused webs. Why on earth would you have to just bring these in gang for PVP or PVE?...
Don't you see? If a ship can't do everything itself it's just another tool for the nullsec hordes because the rest of us can't figure out how to work in groups outside of incursions.
Cool thing is this ship can do quite a bit on its own. It is much different than anything on TQ. |
Daishan Auergni
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:18:00 -
[5385] - Quote
TheFace Asano wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:TheFace Asano wrote: ...If I was going to roam with these in a gang, I would bring either one of the new EWAR frigs or any other dedicated platform to bring bonused webs. Why on earth would you have to just bring these in gang for PVP or PVE?...
Don't you see? If a ship can't do everything itself it's just another tool for the nullsec hordes because the rest of us can't figure out how to work in groups outside of incursions. Cool thing is this ship can do quite a bit on its own. It is much different than anything on TQ. edit: I detect sarcasm
heh. might wanna get your detector tuned up. this is eve. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
776
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:25:00 -
[5386] - Quote
Daishan Auergni wrote:TheFace Asano wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:TheFace Asano wrote: ...If I was going to roam with these in a gang, I would bring either one of the new EWAR frigs or any other dedicated platform to bring bonused webs. Why on earth would you have to just bring these in gang for PVP or PVE?...
Don't you see? If a ship can't do everything itself it's just another tool for the nullsec hordes because the rest of us can't figure out how to work in groups outside of incursions. Cool thing is this ship can do quite a bit on its own. It is much different than anything on TQ. edit: I detect sarcasm heh. might wanna get your detector tuned up. this is eve. Nope, I can confirm it's working fine. |
raawe
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:44:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:something you wrote on first page
I've read somewhere that you will be doing T3 rebalance, is that true? If it is, god help us all..... Can't believe you are so low on imagination. I would like dev position or at least give community one thing to rebalance.
- we already have dreads, making smaller dreads is stupid
- bastion mode is all wrong atm
- marauders are meant to be great at pve, bastion should make them good at pvp too
- they are time consuming to train and expensive, give them something more creative
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baltec1
Bat Country
8192
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Posted - 2013.10.11 22:15:00 -
[5388] - Quote
raawe wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:something you wrote on first page I've read somewhere that you will be doing T3 rebalance, is that true? If it is, god help us all..... Can't believe you are so low on imagination. I would like dev position or at least give community one thing to rebalance.
- we already have dreads, making smaller dreads is stupid
- bastion mode is all wrong atm
- marauders are meant to be great at pve, bastion should make them good at pvp too
- they are time consuming to train and expensive, give them something more creative
What exactly is wrong with them? |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
98
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Posted - 2013.10.11 22:24:00 -
[5389] - Quote
Another question for the testers: Can MWDs be activated while bastion mode is running? Again, since you can't be pointed while in bastion mode, if you can time a MWD cycle to end 2-3 seconds after bastion ends you can leave them with only 2-3 seconds to get a point on you before you enter warp. |
Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
272
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Posted - 2013.10.11 22:28:00 -
[5390] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:raawe wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:something you wrote on first page I've read somewhere that you will be doing T3 rebalance, is that true? If it is, god help us all..... Can't believe you are so low on imagination. I would like dev position or at least give community one thing to rebalance.
- we already have dreads, making smaller dreads is stupid
- bastion mode is all wrong atm
- marauders are meant to be great at pve, bastion should make them good at pvp too
- they are time consuming to train and expensive, give them something more creative
What exactly is wrong with them?
They cost a billion isk and everything they could be asked or expected to do, other ships will do better for less. To answer your question, that means everything. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
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baltec1
Bat Country
8192
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Posted - 2013.10.11 22:34:00 -
[5391] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:baltec1 wrote:raawe wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:something you wrote on first page I've read somewhere that you will be doing T3 rebalance, is that true? If it is, god help us all..... Can't believe you are so low on imagination. I would like dev position or at least give community one thing to rebalance.
- we already have dreads, making smaller dreads is stupid
- bastion mode is all wrong atm
- marauders are meant to be great at pve, bastion should make them good at pvp too
- they are time consuming to train and expensive, give them something more creative
What exactly is wrong with them? They cost a billion isk and everything they could be asked or expected to do, other ships will do better for less. To answer your question, that means everything.
They have better range, the best subcap tank, immune to all E-war and a bonus to mjd. Right now they are ripping apart small gangs solo.
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
272
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Posted - 2013.10.11 22:40:00 -
[5392] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:baltec1 wrote:raawe wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:something you wrote on first page I've read somewhere that you will be doing T3 rebalance, is that true? If it is, god help us all..... Can't believe you are so low on imagination. I would like dev position or at least give community one thing to rebalance.
- we already have dreads, making smaller dreads is stupid
- bastion mode is all wrong atm
- marauders are meant to be great at pve, bastion should make them good at pvp too
- they are time consuming to train and expensive, give them something more creative
What exactly is wrong with them? They cost a billion isk and everything they could be asked or expected to do, other ships will do better for less. To answer your question, that means everything. They have better range, the best subcap tank, immune to all E-war and a bonus to mjd. Right now they are ripping apart small gangs solo. I live in Wicked Creek. Come by for a visit, and we'll undock our "small" gang.
I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8192
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Posted - 2013.10.11 22:52:00 -
[5393] - Quote
Quote: I live in Wicked Creek. Come by for a visit, and we'll undock our "small" gang.
Sure thing. I also invite you to come visit us in curse. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
777
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Posted - 2013.10.11 22:59:00 -
[5394] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:baltec1 wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:baltec1 wrote:What exactly is wrong with them? They cost a billion isk and everything they could be asked or expected to do, other ships will do better for less. To answer your question, that means everything. They have better range, the best subcap tank, immune to all E-war and a bonus to mjd. Right now they are ripping apart small gangs solo. I live in Wicked Creek. Come by for a visit, and we'll undock our "small" gang. While the ripping apart small gangs thing is up for debate, that still leaves the stated advantages of the ship and bastion combo that weren't really countered there. So I guess the question of what regarding those aspects you still find less than sufficient still remains. |
Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
19
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Posted - 2013.10.12 01:14:00 -
[5395] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:raawe wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:something you wrote on first page I've read somewhere that you will be doing T3 rebalance, is that true? If it is, god help us all..... Can't believe you are so low on imagination. I would like dev position or at least give community one thing to rebalance.
- we already have dreads, making smaller dreads is stupid
- bastion mode is all wrong atm
- marauders are meant to be great at pve, bastion should make them good at pvp too
- they are time consuming to train and expensive, give them something more creative
What exactly is wrong with them?
We already have Battleships, making smaller battleships is stupid We already have Battlecruisers, making smaller Battlecruisers is stupid We already have Cruisers, making smaller Cruisers is stupid We already have Frigates... We should all fly around in shuttles or noob ships, no other ships in eve!
Quote: bastion mode is all wrong atm Why?
Quote:marauders are meant to be great at pve, bastion should make them good at pvp too Why? |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
777
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Posted - 2013.10.12 01:28:00 -
[5396] - Quote
And I failed |
Rowan Jak
The Art Of Fail 9th Company
0
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Posted - 2013.10.12 01:30:00 -
[5397] - Quote
Why arent Bastion moduals on SiSi Anymore??? |
Lair Osen
Unlawful Unit Initiative Mercenaries
54
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Posted - 2013.10.12 01:46:00 -
[5398] - Quote
Rowan Jak wrote:Why arent Bastion moduals on SiSi Anymore???
They are, they've just been reasigned a random name for some reason along with a lot of the other new stuff You can find them in the market in weapons upgrades>siege modules called [no messageID: 290003] |
Rowan Jak
The Art Of Fail 9th Company
0
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Posted - 2013.10.12 01:49:00 -
[5399] - Quote
ah ok ty |
Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
272
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Posted - 2013.10.12 08:54:00 -
[5400] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Quote: I live in Wicked Creek. Come by for a visit, and we'll undock our "small" gang.
Sure thing. I also invite you to come visit us in curse.
Sure, but I'm not bring a marauder. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
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