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wowyouareacow
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.30 04:21:00 -
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ECM drones are OP, please save us CCP Rise (aka: Kil2). While you are at it, could ou possibly look at adjusting ECM to be more in line with other EWAR? |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11681
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Posted - 2013.08.30 04:35:00 -
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What's so bad about ECM drones? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
wowyouareacow
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.30 04:52:00 -
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They are WAY more powerful than damage ones in a solo or small gang engagement. I can understand EWAR that reduces damage/lock speed etc, but totally disabling your opponent for as long as ECM does is overpowered. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3347
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Posted - 2013.08.30 05:17:00 -
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I have never actually seen them work.
And every time I find wrecks, if there's ECM drones there's 5 of them just sitting there. Further evidence that they didn't work. |
Jori McKie
Friends Of Harassment
82
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Posted - 2013.08.30 05:23:00 -
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ECM Drones and ECM itself is imbalanced in solo and small scale and i think ECM needs to be changed. However from my recent experience i can say i see a lot less peeps in lowsec use EC-300 that might be due to the new ECCM skills or more peeps grow a pair of balls. I know it is all chanced based etc. but since i have those ECCM skills maxed out i was only once jammed from EC-300 in my Cruiser that happened a lot more before the ECCM skills were introduced.
Anyway the way ECM works is bad game design, it is an imbalanced force multiplier in solo and small scale and it does not matter in fleets bigger than 10 mates. So it is the worst in both worlds in solo and smale scale it is overpowered in medium and especially large scale it does not matter at all. |
Don Purple
Snuggle Factory
75
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Posted - 2013.08.30 06:04:00 -
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I have never seen ecm drones get off more than one or two good bursts before they are useless. Confirming I see them next to a lot of wrecks as well. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1192
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:04:00 -
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But CCP Rise like's being jamed |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
86
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:19:00 -
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wowyouareacow wrote:ECM drones are OP, please save us CCP Rise (aka: Kil2)! While you are at it, could you possibly look at adjusting ECM to be more in line with other EWAR?
tey are not so long ago nerfed , ad modules to your ship that helps prevent jamming , also there is a new skill learn it The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Gravemind GER
Mane6 Industries
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:26:00 -
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OP, you forgot to add in the thread title: "You're my only hope!" |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3217
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:49:00 -
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'Help! Only other people's ECM drones work!' |
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1336
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Posted - 2013.08.30 08:29:00 -
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ecm is already mostly in line with other ewar i reckon. except target painters. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3776
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Posted - 2013.08.30 08:35:00 -
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ECM will AAAAALLLLLWAYS be OP as long as the other guy's using it! |
William Walker
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
339
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Posted - 2013.08.30 08:37:00 -
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wowyouareacow wrote:ECM drones are OP, please save us CCP Rise (aka: Kil2)! While you are at it, could you possibly look at adjusting ECM to be more in line with other EWAR? EVE-kill.net ID= 19432330
Waaaah I died in lowsec and one guy had ECM drones! NERF ECM DRONES! You totally would have survived that if it wasn't for the ECM drones? Right OP? Right? Hahahahahahahaha
no.
Addendum: Let us also nerf whatever else killed you in that killmail: tracking disruptors, torpedoes, rockets.
As well as the following ships: Incursus, Condor, Manticore and Kestrel. Looks like your "haha easy kills" got you. pâ+(*GîÆGêçGîÆ*)n+ë pü+(pé£GêçpÇü-¦)pü+ (GùòGÇ+GùòG£+) |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
248
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Posted - 2013.08.30 08:39:00 -
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wowyouareacow wrote:ECM drones are OP, please save us CCP Rise (aka: Kil2)! While you are at it, could you possibly look at adjusting ECM to be more in line with other EWAR?
Seriously man, learn the resist skills |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Suddenly Spaceships.
803
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Posted - 2013.08.30 08:42:00 -
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wowyouareacow wrote:They are WAY more powerful than damage ones in a solo or small gang engagement. I can understand EWAR that reduces damage/lock speed etc, but totally disabling your opponent for as long as ECM does is overpowered.
You are a born victim and do not deserve better.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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TheBlueMonkey
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
507
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Posted - 2013.08.30 08:54:00 -
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fit smartbombs? |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
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Posted - 2013.08.30 08:55:00 -
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Yeah, I agree jamming doesn't scale very well, and can be extremely frustrating in solo engagements. I admit to actively avoid soloists or small gangs when I know they will rely on ECM a lot, or counter with overwhelming force. There are ways to cope.
My stance on it is simple. It's known ECM makes small gang fights one-sided quickly. You bring ECM, it's clear to me you don't want a good, fun fight: you play to win and have no qualms about making it unfun for the opposition. So why would I not respond in kind and make you lose to the blob in an unfun way?
When I get the enemy to ECM the wrong ship and pummel them with a gang twice as large, I enjoy their tears for what they are. Yes yes, we're cowards for not immediately attacking your Falcon heavy fleet when it starts camping and we're bad at PVP because we 'need to blob to win'. Whatever. You reap what you sow! |
Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
462
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Posted - 2013.08.30 09:44:00 -
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they should really add smart bombs and eccm to the game. that would help remove the drones and also improve your sensor strength. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Suddenly Spaceships.
803
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Posted - 2013.08.30 09:51:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Yeah, I agree jamming doesn't scale very well, and can be extremely frustrating in solo engagements. I admit to actively avoid soloists or small gangs when I know they will rely on ECM a lot, or counter with overwhelming force. There are ways to cope. My stance on it is simple. It's known ECM makes small gang fights one-sided quickly. You bring ECM, it's clear to me you don't want a good, fun fight: you play to win and have no qualms about making it unfun for the opposition. So why would I not respond in kind and make you lose to the blob in an unfun way? When I get the enemy to ECM the wrong ship and pummel them with a gang twice as large, I enjoy their tears for what they are. Yes yes, we're cowards for not immediately attacking your Falcon heavy fleet when it starts camping and we're bad at PVP because we 'need to blob to win'. Whatever. You reap what you sow! I partly agree with you. I play to win. Winning is fun(BI-Winning!)! I do not care if someone brings ecm. If We encounter ECM we try to counter it or avoid it. The skills ccp introduced already give you a quite good chance not to get jammed at all.
ECM is used in low sec engegement A LOT....Guardians are always a ECM primary and ecm drones blot out the sun (if you are stupid and have brackets on). To counter that Guardians usually are fitted accordingly and a lot of fleets have a Smartbombship with them. ECM drones are really not such a big problem as you always can bring your own...or counter.fit your ship/ bring ships to neutralize the big bad falcon (points to Maulus/Keres/Arazu etc.)
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
794
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:23:00 -
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I've seen 5 ecm drones persistently fail to jam a target a target that had no eccm modules fitted
then ccp added skills that boost resistance to ewar effects
all forms of ewar are force multipliers smart people use them
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:28:00 -
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I think ECM is a bit OP or perhaps that is not the right word. I think the mechanism a little "unfun". Sitting for 20sec with nothing to do is frustrating in a way neuts and other ewar is not.
Don't know how to change it however, and the fleets i fly in rely on it a lot. Its the best way to neutralize the logi in a enemy fleet. It is surprising how many fleets won't primary the ecm ships.
So i am training ECM skills. If something is a bit OP or i believe it is, then i should be using it right? |
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CCP Ytterbium
C C P C C P Alliance
2486
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:56:00 -
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Warning: CCP Rise answer imminent. Action stations, action stations, set condition 1 throughout the ship. |
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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
2509
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:58:00 -
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I've said this a lot, but I'll say it again!
I think the problem is not that ECM is too powerful. I actually prefer to use damage drones over ECM drones almost always and I'm not even flying in bigger fleets where ECM drones get worse. The problem is just that the mechanic is punishing for both the victim and the perpetrator. The combination of chance-based success along with a very harsh binary effect makes it miserable for both sides (unless you like griefing, which a lot of people do of course =).
Rather than adjust the power level I'd love to rework the mechanic so that its more fun to use and fly against. Maybe someday! |
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Sofia Wolf
Ubuntu Inc. The Fourth District
247
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Posted - 2013.08.30 14:24:00 -
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I'll take this opportunity to again shamelessly shill this idea of my. Jessica Danikov > EVE is your real life. the rest is fantasy. caught in a corporation. no escape from banality. open up yours eyes, peer through pod good and seeeeeee. I'm just a poor pilot, I need no sympathy. because I'm easy scam, easy go, little isk, little know. anyway the solar wind blows... |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1253
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Posted - 2013.08.30 14:53:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:I've said this a lot, but I'll say it again!
I think the problem is not that ECM is too powerful. I actually prefer to use damage drones over ECM drones almost always and I'm not even flying in bigger fleets where ECM drones get worse. The problem is just that the mechanic is punishing for both the victim and the perpetrator. The combination of chance-based success along with a very harsh binary effect makes it miserable for both sides (unless you like griefing, which a lot of people do of course =).
Rather than adjust the power level I'd love to rework the mechanic so that its more fun to use and fly against. Maybe someday!
or you can just do the easy fix and make them racial ECM drones...
you know like get rid of the OP Multi specs There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
SMT008
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Verge of Collapse
676
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Posted - 2013.08.30 14:56:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:I've said this a lot, but I'll say it again!
I think the problem is not that ECM is too powerful. I actually prefer to use damage drones over ECM drones almost always and I'm not even flying in bigger fleets where ECM drones get worse. The problem is just that the mechanic is punishing for both the victim and the perpetrator. The combination of chance-based success along with a very harsh binary effect makes it miserable for both sides (unless you like griefing, which a lot of people do of course =).
Rather than adjust the power level I'd love to rework the mechanic so that its more fun to use and fly against. Maybe someday!
Please fix this as soon as you have a spare afternoon.
Even in the new HACs with the new sensor strenght skills. I got jammed everytime someone deployed ECM drones. It really is miserable for the victim. Moreso when the perpetrator is in a very difficult position and got there by his own mistake.
ECM as a whole is sort of alright. Only specific hulls can do it, there are counters (like avoiding those ships altogether) and it's sort of possible to fight that.
ECM drones are literally the worst. Every ship can use them except the rare ones with no drone-bay. The game would be so much better without ECM drones until you can find a way to make them ok. |
baltec1
Bat Country
7736
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:00:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:'Help! Only other people's ECM drones work!'
I figure its because they hate me or something :( |
MEZZA Creire-Geng
TEC-NOLOGY
8
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:04:00 -
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unless you have your (racial)ecm comp at IV or V i dont think people should be complaining and if your thinking of solo'ing 3 or 4 dude who are using ec-300s thats quite abit of ecm.. and its almost like saying nerf guns/missles because when theres 3 or 4 guys using them they are OP. |
William Darkk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:08:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:CCP Rise wrote:I've said this a lot, but I'll say it again!
I think the problem is not that ECM is too powerful. I actually prefer to use damage drones over ECM drones almost always and I'm not even flying in bigger fleets where ECM drones get worse. The problem is just that the mechanic is punishing for both the victim and the perpetrator. The combination of chance-based success along with a very harsh binary effect makes it miserable for both sides (unless you like griefing, which a lot of people do of course =).
Rather than adjust the power level I'd love to rework the mechanic so that its more fun to use and fly against. Maybe someday! or you can just do the easy fix and make them racial ECM drones... you know like get rid of the OP Multi specs example would be no more generic ecm 300 now you get white noise ecm 300 That would work, but it'd make medium and large ECM drones even more worthless. You could compensate by letting medium ECM drones jam two types and large jam all four. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1254
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:27:00 -
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William Darkk wrote:MeBiatch wrote:CCP Rise wrote:I've said this a lot, but I'll say it again!
I think the problem is not that ECM is too powerful. I actually prefer to use damage drones over ECM drones almost always and I'm not even flying in bigger fleets where ECM drones get worse. The problem is just that the mechanic is punishing for both the victim and the perpetrator. The combination of chance-based success along with a very harsh binary effect makes it miserable for both sides (unless you like griefing, which a lot of people do of course =).
Rather than adjust the power level I'd love to rework the mechanic so that its more fun to use and fly against. Maybe someday! or you can just do the easy fix and make them racial ECM drones... you know like get rid of the OP Multi specs example would be no more generic ecm 300 now you get white noise ecm 300 That would work, but it'd make medium and large ECM drones even more worthless. You could compensate by letting medium ECM drones jam two types and large jam all four.
that or increase base jam for medium and large ecm drones... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
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