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Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:05:00 -
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I, for one, am looking forward to welcoming our new Marauder overlords |
Rengas
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
215
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:16:00 -
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I'm sure dreads will have an exceedingly difficult time tracking stationary battleships which cannot receive reps. |
Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
524
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:20:00 -
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Rengas wrote:I'm sure dreads will have an exceedingly difficult time tracking stationary battleships which cannot receive reps.
Who's talking about PvP? |
illirdor
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:53:00 -
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Keith Planck wrote:Rengas wrote:I'm sure dreads will have an exceedingly difficult time tracking stationary battleships which cannot receive reps. Who's talking about PvP?
Then you cant really welcome them as overlords if its pve your talking about..
Soooo this is my sig....-á |
Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
524
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Posted - 2013.08.30 07:56:00 -
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illirdor wrote:Keith Planck wrote:Rengas wrote:I'm sure dreads will have an exceedingly difficult time tracking stationary battleships which cannot receive reps. Who's talking about PvP? Then you cant really welcome them as overlords if its pve your talking about..
*It's going to create a stepping stone between C4s and C5s where capital ships aren't involved, allowing more PvP corps to sustain themselves in a C5 environment* |
Chitsa Jason
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2013.08.30 08:35:00 -
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I just want to barge in as CSM and mention that these things are gonna be awesome for pew. CSM8 Member Twitter:-á@ChitsaJason Skype: Casparas
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Setsune Rin
Bite Me inc Bitten.
55
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Posted - 2013.08.30 08:58:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:I just want to barge in as CSM and mention that these things are gonna be awesome for pew.
how? they will die in a fire Dreads will will bash straight through the tank as if it were a paper towel.
they're enormous so you cant field big fleets of them outside home
they're going to be amazing at shooting sleepers though
i see some PVP niches in home defense situations where no opposing dreads are involved, deploy them at a long range and bring the pain
but anything else they're just sitting ducks |
Ryu BullFrog
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.30 09:09:00 -
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Sorry to come in like this but do any of you have a link to that bastion mode you're talking about? I can't find it ty |
Narzis
No Mutants Allowed pwn-O-graphy
22
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Posted - 2013.08.30 09:38:00 -
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I really want to see them in c4's, where at the moment rr tengus are the only really usable solutions for pve purposes. These bastion beasts will have better damage projection for longer range than the tengus have, so maybe the tengu dominance would break.
Of course it brings a lot more risk, but flying bigger ships is always better :D How I look like when I win a fight? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/32571986/out-2.gif |
Propotkin
Anomalous Existence
2
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Posted - 2013.08.30 10:05:00 -
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Narzis wrote:I really want to see them in c4's, where at the moment rr tengus are the only really usable solutions for pve purposes
You still use rr tengu's for pve ? ewwww |
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Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
577
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Posted - 2013.08.30 10:16:00 -
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Dominance of RR Tengus? LOL. Wake up, look at some of the rebalanced ships and use your brain, instead of using years-old fittings you found on Battleclinic ^^ . |
Marox Calendale
Human League Suicide-Commando
13
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Posted - 2013.08.30 10:24:00 -
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Ryu BullFrog wrote:Sorry to come in like this but do any of you have a link to that bastion mode you're talking about? I can't find it ty Marauder rebalancing Winter Expansion |
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
111
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Posted - 2013.08.30 10:34:00 -
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I like anything that tries to do PVE while sitting still, especially if this sitting still is enforced and has shiny effects telling me exactly when to drop my fleet on them.
Want to see fleets of these in my static connection. plx make it happen ;)
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Godfrey Silvarna
Frozen Dawn Inc Arctic Light
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Posted - 2013.08.30 10:38:00 -
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Ya Huei wrote:I like anything that tries to do PVE while sitting still, especially if this sitting still is enforced and has shiny effects telling me exactly when to drop my fleet on them.
Want to see fleets of these in my static connection. plx make it happen ;)
They will be almost as fun to gank as marauders are now, but someone might actually use them this time around. I approve. |
Narzis
No Mutants Allowed pwn-O-graphy
22
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:03:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Dominance of RR Tengus? LOL. Wake up, look at some of the rebalanced ships and use your brain, instead of using years-old fittings you found on Battleclinic ^^
It's not the topic for discuss every subcap wh setups but I have to say we've tried a LOT of ships and a lot of setups, everything has its own pros and cons. Tengus most useful advantage is their agility. If **** happens (and **** usually happens in wh's), it's easy to disappear if you sitting in a small shield ship. Thanks for that we have never lost a single farming t3 (yup, not only tengus). On the other hand total isk income is a bit less than with using high dps setups, and farming become boring after a few...minutes. How I look like when I win a fight? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/32571986/out-2.gif |
Lydia vanPersie
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
6
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:17:00 -
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If nothing else, these will be impressive for crashing holes mid-fights. Who needs to shove orcas through when you can enter as an apoc, and leave as an archon? |
Ryu BullFrog
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:19:00 -
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tyvm |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
225
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:32:00 -
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it is an interesting mix of mobility with the MJD and the bastion mode for offence/defence but as stated before i see tears being harvested by dred guns coming to bare. Plus i think the bastion mod needs to allow extra dps, and while were at it make the bastion mod use the same skill needed for the siege mod. "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
118
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:57:00 -
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Lydia vanPersie wrote:If nothing else, these will be impressive for crashing holes mid-fights. Who needs to shove orcas through when you can enter as an apoc, and leave as an archon?
thats if it will allow you to jump with the bastion mode on , not managed to find anything about if that will be possible so far.
as setsune rin said i just cant see them being used for pvp much. there extra tank will mean nothing at all to dreads. the mass of them will limit numbers. For home defence maybe but then if you wantto bring them in as ranged snipers tornados are much cheaper or just use a dread instead.
There tracking and range is nice i guess but with no damage bonus i just cant see them being used at all for how much they cost and the mass they use |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
7
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:14:00 -
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Taking into accounts the buff to rails and self rep coming aswell these will be rather decent to warp in as scattered sniper fleet at 250km without logi support. If anything approach you just leave bastion mode and spool up the mjd then keep sniping. The mjd cd is exactly the same as the bastion cycle. No way a blapping dread can keep up with the range unless it start fitting sniper itself |
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Rengerel en Distel
1815
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:20:00 -
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calaretu wrote:Taking into accounts the buff to rails and self rep coming aswell these will be rather decent to warp in as scattered sniper fleet at 250km without logi support. If anything approach you just leave bastion mode and spool up the mjd then keep sniping. The mjd cd is exactly the same as the bastion cycle. No way a blapping dread can keep up with the range unless it start fitting sniper itself
The rail buff was medium rails.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
7
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:24:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:calaretu wrote:Taking into accounts the buff to rails and self rep coming aswell these will be rather decent to warp in as scattered sniper fleet at 250km without logi support. If anything approach you just leave bastion mode and spool up the mjd then keep sniping. The mjd cd is exactly the same as the bastion cycle. No way a blapping dread can keep up with the range unless it start fitting sniper itself The rail buff was medium rails.
/ me looks away in shame.. Eh. ok but still. |
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
311
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Posted - 2013.08.30 15:11:00 -
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I, for one, am training maruders 5... www.wormholefundamentals.com www.youtube.com/user/asayanami www.twitter.com/Asayanami www.facebook.com/Asayanami.Dei
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
46
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:49:00 -
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corbexx wrote:Lydia vanPersie wrote:If nothing else, these will be impressive for crashing holes mid-fights. Who needs to shove orcas through when you can enter as an apoc, and leave as an archon? thats if it will allow you to jump with the bastion mode on , not managed to find anything about if that will be possible so far. as setsune rin said i just cant see them being used for pvp much. there extra tank will mean nothing at all to dreads. the mass of them will limit numbers. For home defence maybe but then if you wantto bring them in as ranged snipers tornados are much cheaper or just use a dread instead. There tracking and range is nice i guess but with no damage bonus i just cant see them being used at all for how much they cost and the mass they use Chitsa or James, can you guys ask if it still can jump holes while in bastion mode? It would make them more used in w-space if they can in my opinion(collapsing hicks less needed). Maybe even have a negative bastion mode where it become much lighter so they can jump in light.
Or add a jump drive script wich instead of making it jump, just make the battleship lighter(like a battlecruiser) so it has more agility and less mass. With the disadvantage of only being able to do that the cycle of the jump drive(and make it unable to diable before the end of the cycle).It should make BS as mobile as 100mn tengu's. |
Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
524
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:54:00 -
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unimatrix0030 wrote:corbexx wrote:Lydia vanPersie wrote:If nothing else, these will be impressive for crashing holes mid-fights. Who needs to shove orcas through when you can enter as an apoc, and leave as an archon? thats if it will allow you to jump with the bastion mode on , not managed to find anything about if that will be possible so far. as setsune rin said i just cant see them being used for pvp much. there extra tank will mean nothing at all to dreads. the mass of them will limit numbers. For home defence maybe but then if you wantto bring them in as ranged snipers tornados are much cheaper or just use a dread instead. There tracking and range is nice i guess but with no damage bonus i just cant see them being used at all for how much they cost and the mass they use Chitsa or James, can you guys ask if it still can jump holes while in bastion mode? It would make them more used in w-space if they can in my opinion(collapsing hicks less needed). Maybe even have a negative bastion mode where it become much lighter so they can jump in light. Or add a jump drive script wich instead of making it jump, just make the battleship lighter(like a battlecruiser) so it has more agility and less mass. With the disadvantage of only being able to do that the cycle of the jump drive(and make it unable to diable before the end of the cycle).It should make BS as mobile as 100mn tengu's.
CCP is giving us this wonderful thing and all you want is MOAR MOAR MOAR
Collapsing holes is already easy, there's no need to ask for them to make it easier on top of them already making it easier. What is this Guild Wars 2? |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1554
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:14:00 -
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Setsune Rin wrote:Chitsa Jason wrote:I just want to barge in as CSM and mention that these things are gonna be awesome for pew. how? they will die in a fire Dreads will will bash straight through the tank as if it were a paper towel. they're enormous so you cant field big fleets of them outside home they're going to be amazing at shooting sleepers though i see some PVP niches in home defense situations where no opposing dreads are involved, deploy them at a long range and bring the pain but anything else they're just sitting ducks
Ah the WH elite again.
There are more WH's below C5. Many of which people have been saying for years are far to safe. Largely because of the annoyance of trying to siege a POS without dreads. Maybe this will bring more pew to the lower class WH's
Also could be fun to see the effect on high sec POS operations. |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
118
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:16:00 -
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Keith Planck wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:corbexx wrote:Lydia vanPersie wrote:If nothing else, these will be impressive for crashing holes mid-fights. Who needs to shove orcas through when you can enter as an apoc, and leave as an archon? thats if it will allow you to jump with the bastion mode on , not managed to find anything about if that will be possible so far. as setsune rin said i just cant see them being used for pvp much. there extra tank will mean nothing at all to dreads. the mass of them will limit numbers. For home defence maybe but then if you wantto bring them in as ranged snipers tornados are much cheaper or just use a dread instead. There tracking and range is nice i guess but with no damage bonus i just cant see them being used at all for how much they cost and the mass they use Chitsa or James, can you guys ask if it still can jump holes while in bastion mode? It would make them more used in w-space if they can in my opinion(collapsing hicks less needed). Maybe even have a negative bastion mode where it become much lighter so they can jump in light. Or add a jump drive script wich instead of making it jump, just make the battleship lighter(like a battlecruiser) so it has more agility and less mass. With the disadvantage of only being able to do that the cycle of the jump drive(and make it unable to diable before the end of the cycle).It should make BS as mobile as 100mn tengu's. CCP is giving us this wonderful thing and all you want is MOAR MOAR MOAR Collapsing holes is already easy, there's no need to ask for them to make it easier on top of them already making it easier. What is this Guild Wars 2?
i'm not wanting more i want to know if we can use it to collaspe wh's or not cos that will have a huge effect in wh space probably more than anything else about them. |
Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
525
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:19:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Setsune Rin wrote:Chitsa Jason wrote:I just want to barge in as CSM and mention that these things are gonna be awesome for pew. how? they will die in a fire Dreads will will bash straight through the tank as if it were a paper towel. they're enormous so you cant field big fleets of them outside home they're going to be amazing at shooting sleepers though i see some PVP niches in home defense situations where no opposing dreads are involved, deploy them at a long range and bring the pain but anything else they're just sitting ducks Ah the WH elite again. There are more WH's below C5. Many of which people have been saying for years are far to safe. Largely because of the annoyance of trying to siege a POS without dreads. Maybe this will bring more pew to the lower class WH's Also could be fun to see the effect on high sec POS operations.
This is exactly what I'm thinking, mini-dreads as bad-ass siege ships to finally pop all those terri-bad poses :) |
Thor66777
Obstergo Bitten.
27
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:19:00 -
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corbexx wrote:
i'm not wanting more i want to know if we can use it to collapse wh's or not cos that will have a huge effect in wh space probably more than anything else about them.
They probably won't. Would be the same as a dread in siege in terms of mobility. |
Keith Planck
League of Extraordinary Equines Disciples of Vectron
525
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:22:00 -
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Thor66777 wrote:corbexx wrote:
i'm not wanting more i want to know if we can use it to collapse wh's or not cos that will have a huge effect in wh space probably more than anything else about them.
They probably won't. Would be the same as a dread in siege in terms of mobility.
Even if they COULD, it would only effect high class wormholes since most lower wormholes have a mass limit under 1 billion... |
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