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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11855
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:11:00 -
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Hello Space Friends!
My name is Lyris Nairn and I have been playing EVE Online since 2008. I have come to you with something that I think is relevant to many of you, and it is certainly relevant to me! I think we need bigger flying boxes.
Right now the ship with the biggest cargo hold is the Charon, which hauls a little less than a million cubic meters. I do not think this is enough cargo space for some of the really big industrial tycoons, market barons, or logistics folks. I would propose a new class of ship, or perhaps just a single ship usable by any race, that would have an utterly massive cargo hold. The proposed ship would be able to hold 10-100 million cubic meters at least, which would make it a lot more versatile.
Such a ship would allow Sovereignty structures to be moved more easily, as some of them presently require a full freighter to move individually due to their size. Such a ship would allow capital and supercapital production to be streamlined by making it easier to move the capital components and the enormous amount of minerals needed to construct them. Such a ship would be able to more easily supply forward bases for deployed forces, in all areas of space: whenever there is a war between any two parties there is a lot of logistical burden required to move the billions of cubic meters of ships and modules. Such a ship would allow patch day and post-devblog day rushes on the markets to be done more quickly, which would lead to more quickly stabilized prices and quicker payouts for those who benefit from them. Such a ship would also allow someone to actually make profitable use of non-refinery systems in nullsec (by moving an absolutely tremendous volume of ore to a refinery), thus expanding the number of systems that people can use in both NPC and Player Controlled nullsec.
And so on. The benefits of such a huge ship are many. I think this a great idea that will have positive effects on the game.
Let me know what you think in the comments! Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Luc Chastot
Daktaklakpak.
485
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:22:00 -
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Such a ship could also move capitals into highsec. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
Rita Torres
Miner Not Minor
4
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:24:00 -
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or how about a covert ops freighter? |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11855
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:27:00 -
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Rita Torres wrote:or how about a covert ops freighter? Safety is not really a concern for me, as that can be provided by working with other players. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11855
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:29:00 -
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Luc Chastot wrote:Such a ship could also move capitals into highsec. Capitals already exist in high sec: Freighters, Jump Freighters, and folks who file "stuck" petitions or acquired them when they could previously be built in high sec. If you're talking about sticking packaged capitals in its cargo, then while that's true a simple change to the packaged volume of capital ships would avoid that "problem" if it's a concern. Alternately folks could be allowed to transport them to highsec all they want, and just not be allowed to assemble them there for whatever fluff reason. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4263
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:41:00 -
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Seriously, try moving huge quantities of ore sometime. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4263
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Posted - 2013.08.31 23:42:00 -
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Also, if you make it a supercapital I will kill you There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3577
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Posted - 2013.09.01 00:21:00 -
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CCP should make it a supercapital so it won't be able to haul capitals in to highsec. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4265
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Posted - 2013.09.01 00:25:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:CCP should make it a supercapital so it won't be able to haul capitals in to highsec. Yeah but then you what, sit it next to a station on the undock and have normal freighters try to fill up and dock in order to transfer stuff into the station?
Works I guess There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Cade Windstalker
Donohue Enterprises Ad-Astra
68
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Posted - 2013.09.01 01:37:00 -
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Moving large volumes of stuff is supposed to be difficult and risky. You're talking about the ability to haul ~9 capital ships. I just don't see this happening.
You would probably be better off asking for a specialized Ore freighter with a massive ore hold since this would at least solve some of the problems with ore compression ratios. |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11870
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Posted - 2013.09.01 02:34:00 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Moving large volumes of stuff is supposed to be difficult and risky. You're talking about the ability to haul ~9 capital ships. I just don't see this happening.
You would probably be better off asking for a specialized Ore freighter with a massive ore hold since this would at least solve some of the problems with ore compression ratios. And a specialized ship freighter, and a specialized sovereignty module freighter, etc? I can understand risky, but difficulty or annoyance in execution as a game balancing metric doesn't make sense to me. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
51
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Posted - 2013.09.01 03:26:00 -
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I whole heartedly agree with this. If you've ever built a cap ship you know it's several frieghter loads to build just one cap ship and God help you if you mined in 1 system and need to xfer the ore to another system to refine or did a large mining op and need to move all those mins to market. Not allowing a cap ship to be unpackaged in highsec or just not letting you put a cap ship in the new frieghter at all would prevent bringing cap ships into highsec
*goes off to bath in bleach to wash off the stink of agreeing with a goon <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4020
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Posted - 2013.09.01 04:01:00 -
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It should be like a Freighter with no fittings and have about 10k EHP. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2004
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Posted - 2013.09.01 06:42:00 -
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I refuse to believe Lyris is being serious. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
92
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Posted - 2013.09.01 07:06:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Rita Torres wrote:or how about a covert ops freighter? Safety is not really a concern for me, as that can be provided by working with other players.
Alone for this Post you get a +1 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11874
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Posted - 2013.09.01 07:50:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:I refuse to believe Lyris is being serious. And why is that exactly? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
CtrlAltDelete Dethahal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.01 07:59:00 -
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I think a better idea would be to reduce the volume of sov structures and make an ore/mineral freighter.
More annoying than making 2 trips in my Charon is having To pull my Charon out to move like 50k m3. Maybe make freighters faster when they're cargo hold is near empty or something? |
To mare
Advanced Technology
234
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Posted - 2013.09.01 08:19:00 -
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if the superfreighter cant go to highsec itself i could agree with the idea |
Vizvig
Savage Blizzard Bright Side of Death
118
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Posted - 2013.09.01 13:33:00 -
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We also wanting a uber freighter, bigger and expensive than super freighter. |
stoicfaux
3076
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Posted - 2013.09.01 14:13:00 -
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Luc Chastot wrote:Such a ship could also move capitals into highsec. Cargo Container Ship.
Make the cargo bay specialized so that it can only carry Mega Containers. Each Mega Container can hold a million m3 of cargo and this super-duper freighter can carry X amount of them. |
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
53
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Posted - 2013.09.01 18:09:00 -
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This whole idea seems like it could work really well; and Stoicfaux's idea would be REALLY useful in the design. I actually thought of something like these ships earlier this summer
Here's my idea for one:
Supertanker: Has the same capacity (maybe a little more) that the freighter for the race has, but(here's Stoicfaux's idea) it could have a "Container Bay" capable of holding any container, excluding station, station vault, and station warehouse containers.
Each ship could have a bay capable of holding 9.000.000 m3 of assembled containers, not pure space, which would ensure that capital ships couldn't fit, and as a result get into high-sec.
Additionally, each supertanker could have a ship maintenance bay capable of holding only industrial ships (interim, hoarder, mammoth, blockade runners, etcetera. They could have the space to accommodate around 7-9 industrial ships.
They should cost somewhere from 3 to 5 billion ISK, and should have these skill requirements:
Racial Supertanker: -Racial Freighter V --Advanced Spaceship Command V ---Spaceship Command V --Racial Industrial III ---Spaceship Command III -Jump Freighters IV --Industry V --Advanced Spaceship Command IV ---Spaceship Command V -Jump Drive Calibration IV --Jump Drive Operation V ---Navigation V ---Warp Drive Operation V ----Navigation I ---Science V -Racial Industrial V --Spaceship Command III -Capital Ships IV --Advanced Spaceship Command V ---Spaceship Command V
They could also have jump drives, like the jump freighters, so low security travel would be viable (and possible)
And they should have bonuses similar to the ones on the freighters.
They should have a good amount of EHP so they are survivable, but no high, medium, low, or rigs, like freighters.
Here's a drawing of an Amarr Supertanker (I was inspired to draw it after reading this ). You can see the ship bay somewhere near the middle of the hull- it'll always look like a couple of ships are in it.
I'd love to see these ships happen "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11880
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Posted - 2013.09.01 18:34:00 -
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Splitting up the cargo like that would make it a pain to load and unload. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
53
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Posted - 2013.09.01 18:36:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Splitting up the cargo like that would make it a pain to load and unload. Hmm.. Maybe, yeah- how about just a container bay, then? It would work to keep caps out of high-sec, and you'd still be able to get ~10 million cubic meters of space "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
53
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Posted - 2013.09.01 18:39:00 -
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Although maybe you could just get rid of the ship maintenance bay- but it'd still be cool to have basically a mobile station that Industrials could load and unload at. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11880
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Posted - 2013.09.01 18:41:00 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Splitting up the cargo like that would make it a pain to load and unload. Hmm.. Maybe, yeah- how about just a container bay, then? It would work to keep caps out of high-sec, and you'd still be able to get ~10 million cubic meters of space The container bay is what I mean. You would have to load and unload lots of containers. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
53
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Posted - 2013.09.01 18:58:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Splitting up the cargo like that would make it a pain to load and unload. Hmm.. Maybe, yeah- how about just a container bay, then? It would work to keep caps out of high-sec, and you'd still be able to get ~10 million cubic meters of space The container bay is what I mean. You would have to load and unload lots of containers. I do see your point about the containers; but how do you think it'd be able to keep capital ships from getting into high-sec? This ship idea has a lot of potential- I love the idea regardless- lots and lots of space on some titanic ship just sounds cool to me. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11880
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Posted - 2013.09.01 19:12:00 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Splitting up the cargo like that would make it a pain to load and unload. Hmm.. Maybe, yeah- how about just a container bay, then? It would work to keep caps out of high-sec, and you'd still be able to get ~10 million cubic meters of space The container bay is what I mean. You would have to load and unload lots of containers. I do see your point about the containers; but how do you think it'd be able to keep capital ships from getting into high-sec? This ship idea has a lot of potential- I love the idea regardless- lots and lots of space on some titanic ship just sounds cool to me. I don't see why you need to worry about keeping capitals out of highsec. There are already capitals in highsec. Freighters and Jump Freighters are capitals. There are several capitals, and even supercapitals, in highsec as the result of "stuck" petitions or ships acquired when they could be built in highsec. CCP has a policy that any capitals in highsec cannot be used for PVP, or there are consequences. They could, if they desired, go on to just make it so that capitals could not be assembled in highsec. The ability to ship large amounts of ships, to include large ships, is a pretty great thing that shouldn't be discounted entirely because of the possibility of shipping capitalsGÇöthat cannot be used in highsecGÇöto highsec. In fact, I think it would be neat if we could ship capitals to highsec for buying and selling in, and then shipping out of, Jita. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
53
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Posted - 2013.09.01 19:26:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Splitting up the cargo like that would make it a pain to load and unload. Hmm.. Maybe, yeah- how about just a container bay, then? It would work to keep caps out of high-sec, and you'd still be able to get ~10 million cubic meters of space The container bay is what I mean. You would have to load and unload lots of containers. I do see your point about the containers; but how do you think it'd be able to keep capital ships from getting into high-sec? This ship idea has a lot of potential- I love the idea regardless- lots and lots of space on some titanic ship just sounds cool to me. I don't see why you need to worry about keeping capitals out of highsec. There are already capitals in highsec. Freighters and Jump Freighters are capitals. There are several capitals, and even supercapitals, in highsec as the result of "stuck" petitions or ships acquired when they could be built in highsec. CCP has a policy that any capitals in highsec cannot be used for PVP, or there are consequences. They could, if they desired, go on to just make it so that capitals could not be assembled in highsec. The ability to ship large amounts of ships, to include large ships, is a pretty great thing that shouldn't be discounted entirely because of the possibility of shipping capitalsGÇöthat cannot be used in highsecGÇöto highsec. In fact, I think it would be neat if we could ship capitals to highsec for buying and selling in, and then shipping out of, Jita. Hey, that IS a nice idea so maybe just no assembling of Dreadnoughts or Carriers, etc., but we'd be able to buy or sell them in hubs.. That would work awesomely although the only thing you'd have I be wary of while designing them would be station vault containers- they take 5 million m3 of space but hold 10 million (although that could be useful in itself ) "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
486
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Posted - 2013.09.01 19:43:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:CCP should make it a supercapital so it won't be able to haul capitals in to highsec. Yeah but then you what, sit it next to a station on the undock and have normal freighters try to fill up and dock in order to transfer stuff into the station? Works I guess I like the idea of this. It would make things more difficult but you already have to move with freighters so I see the complainers as not thinking the whole issue through. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4266
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Posted - 2013.09.02 02:05:00 -
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Well if you had to use jetcans to transfer several million m3, a whole 27,500m3 at a time, argh. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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