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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.09.02 02:29:00 -
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There is someone on my voice comms that swears some one was banned for this...
I found a website that takes a blueprint and automatically calculates profits over just selling the minerals using Jita prices.
You just enter a blue print and it tells you how many minerals are required. I'm not really an industrialist so I don't know how much I would personally use the site, but it seems odd that it would be something bannable to use. How would they know you are using it anyways?
The person on my voice comms says that someone was banned for using a website like this. I pointed out that I remember the guy from EVE University, but from my recolection he was using an automated process to buy and sell with enourmous volume that no human could do?
And if this website is illegal, what makes it illegal versus say EVE Central?
This question is more or less to resolve a personal debate with this person. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
1848
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Posted - 2013.09.02 02:50:00 -
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I think the appropriate thing to say to the person on your voice comms is 'Citation Needed'.
A: Detecting that someone is using a website to decide what to make is nigh impossible.
B: I run one of the blueprint calculators. And I'm part of the fansite program. It's one of the major functions of the site, so it's hardly been missed. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
467
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Posted - 2013.09.02 03:39:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:I think the appropriate thing to say to the person on your voice comms is 'Citation Needed'.
A: Detecting that someone is using a website to decide what to make is nigh impossible.
B: I run one of the blueprint calculators. And I'm part of the fansite program. It's one of the major functions of the site, so it's hardly been missed.
Well thanks for the answer. I had a feeling that this was the a case but he wouldn't take my word for it. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
433
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Posted - 2013.09.02 03:42:00 -
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So it's a site that just takes bits of info available in-game, and uses them to display other bits of info out of game? Nothing wrong with that. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4022
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Posted - 2013.09.02 03:57:00 -
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This Just In: Spreadsheets banned from EVE Online "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Anuminas Alland
Aspergus Carebearnaise
4
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Posted - 2013.09.02 04:30:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:This Just In: Spreadsheets banned from EVE Online
My god, the whole UI would be gone, then
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Sir Substance
I N E X T R E M I S Gentlemen's Agreement
598
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Posted - 2013.09.02 05:10:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:This Just In: Spreadsheets banned from EVE Online And nothing of value was lost.
I wish people would stop making spreadsheets and then going "I made a program that...". Spreadsheets are not programs. Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2013.09.02 05:47:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:This Just In: Spreadsheets banned from EVE Online
Thanks for making my morning coffee explode out of my mouth My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
Make reasonable choices. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
1849
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Posted - 2013.09.02 11:27:00 -
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Sir Substance wrote:RubyPorto wrote:This Just In: Spreadsheets banned from EVE Online And nothing of value was lost. I wish people would stop making spreadsheets and then going "I made a program that...". Spreadsheets are not programs.
Being one of the people who actually makes programs for Eve, I whole heartedly agree.
Even if those programs I make tend to be only a little more complicated than a spreadsheet.
People use spreadsheets far too much. Databases have far more utility, even if you do have to then write the front end for them. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16291
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Posted - 2013.09.02 11:33:00 -
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What on earth would make that illegal? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4045
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Posted - 2013.09.02 11:50:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:The person on my voice comms says that someone was banned for using a website like this. I pointed out that I remember the guy from EVE University, but from my recolection he was using an automated process to buy and sell with enourmous volume that no human could do?
From my memory of the discussion in various venues, this guy built a site that started off as a "what is profitable to buy and sell" calculator. Then he figured that he could provide links to the market details for the products. Then he jumped over that fine line between "really cool profit calculator" and "botting" by having the application place the orders by sending keystrokes. He was claiming that updating 250 orders an hour was what normal players would do every day. All day.
By the time I've updated thirty orders a day, I'm already looking for the bottle of whisky. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
1849
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Posted - 2013.09.02 12:04:00 -
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Short version:
Tells you want to do, replacing a little brainsweat with a pen and paper: Fine. Changes things in game for you: not fine. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
238
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Posted - 2013.09.02 12:04:00 -
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No, It's not even against EULA to use a program that updates your market orders automatically for you to copy and paste into eve market. As long as all automation takes place outside the client (same reason ISO boxer is legal and other programs)
Feel free to eve mail me as I sell such a program I created for 250m. I use my own personal spread sheet which caps a high buy price and a low sell price, you will have to fill this in to your hearts content. I'm able to 1 isk hundreds of items in a matter of minutes with zero effort or number crunching beyond my pre set by limits which I update bi monthly. The program will alert you and auto scroll to your entry once it detects that your buy price or sell price is no longer the regions best. It will then supply a new best value and copy it for you ready for you to (ctrl v) paste into eve market. I advise changing your ctrl v to a single keyboard stroke( this is explained in the read me.)
The program was capable of scrolling through the eve market and opening the change box for you to paste but I have disabled this option as it's probabbly not EULA legal but even that is hazy as ISO boxer interacts with clients in such manners. I also advise you to heed all ccp warnings and messages you get regarding my program and to limit your use to human like and sensible level.s
I charge a flat fee of 250m for the program which will be emailed to you, (the file is tiny) , I do not offer support beyond the read me file and I have no plans to update it or add further features. It works well for me, you are free to mod to your hearts content but I'd ask you not to sell it or forward it.
Submit payment in game with reason as Brew's Market Tool at cost 250m isk. Send me an eve mail with your email and any questions that are not answered in the read me file. I will choose to ignore any silly questions as I'm not spoon feeding you this easy to use program. Also no ISK no reply and don't convo me in game you will be ignored and possibely blocked, eve mail with isk replys only. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16292
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Posted - 2013.09.02 12:07:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:No, It's not even against EULA to use a program that updates your market orders automatically for you to copy and paste into eve market. As long as all automation takes place outside the client (same reason ISO boxer is legal and other programs)
Feel free to eve mail me as I sell such a program I created for 250m. I use my own personal spread sheet which caps a high buy price and a low sell price, you will have to fill this in to your hearts content. I'm able to 1 isk hundreds of items in a matter of minutes with zero effort or number crunching beyond my pre set by limits which I update bi monthly. The program will alert you and auto scroll to your entry once it detects that your buy price or sell price is no longer the regions best. It will then supply a new best value and copy it for you ready for you to (ctrl v) paste into eve market. I advise changing your ctrl v to a single keyboard stroke( this is explained in the read me.)
The program was capable of scrolling through the eve market and opening the change box for you to paste but I have disabled this option as it's probabbly not EULA legal but even that is hazy as ISO boxer interacts with clients in such manners. I also advise you to heed all ccp warnings and messages you get regarding my program and to limit your use to human like and sensible level.s
I charge a flat fee of 250m for the program which will be emailed to you, (the file is tiny) , I do not offer support beyond the read me file and I have no plans to update it or add further features. It works well for me, you are free to mod to your hearts content but I'd ask you not to sell it or forward it. Are you really sure you want to advertise a program that interacts with the game client like that so openly on the forumsGǪ? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
238
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Posted - 2013.09.02 12:09:00 -
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Yes, it does not interact with the game client, please read, it's a market tool that requires 100% human interaction with the eve client thus is EULA legal. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Sweet Sensations Radical Industries
13007
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Posted - 2013.09.02 12:13:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Yes, it does not interact with the game client, please read, it's a market tool that requires 100% human interaction with the eve client thus is EULA legal.
The auto scroll takes place in a spread sheet out side the program you thenyou paste into eve client. Click on the enxt button on client it will give you the enxt order to be pasted. You might want to check that via a petition, best to err on the side of caution with a tool such as yours.
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16292
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Posted - 2013.09.02 12:23:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Yes, it does not interact with the game client, please read I did read, and in doing so, I noted these passages:
GÇ£a program that updates your market orders automaticallyGÇ¥ GÇ£The program will alert you and auto scroll to your entryGÇ¥
Since you didn't specify that it does this in the spreadsheet, and not the client, it certainly sounds a lot like client interaction.
Quote:Click on the enxt button on client it will give you the enxt order to be pasted. GǪand this just further suggests that you're doing something in the client rather than outside of it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
373
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Posted - 2013.09.02 14:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Yes, it does not interact with the game client, please read I did read, and in doing so, I noted these passages: Gǣa program that updates your market orders automaticallyGǥ GǣThe program will alert you and auto scroll to your entryGǥ Since you didn't specify that it does this in the spreadsheet, and not the client, it certainly sounds a lot like client interaction. Quote:Click on the enxt button on client it will give you the enxt order to be pasted. GǪand this just further suggests that you're doing something in the client rather than outside of it. No its probably just reading from the screen or something. Or extracting the data the same way EFT extracts data. Personally I think stuff like that should be banned as it speeds up your trading so that others not using similiar cannot compete but what can you do.
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Ressiv
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.09.02 14:31:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Sir Substance wrote:RubyPorto wrote:This Just In: Spreadsheets banned from EVE Online And nothing of value was lost. I wish people would stop making spreadsheets and then going "I made a program that...". Spreadsheets are not programs. Being one of the people who actually makes programs for Eve, I whole heartedly agree. Even if those programs I make tend to be only a little more complicated than a spreadsheet. People use spreadsheets far too much. Databases have far more utility, even if you do have to then write the front end for them.
Every idiot can make a spreadsheet, not so much a database. A bit more sophisticated idiots can also write macro's in spreadsheets .. not so much queries. Semi non-idiots can create spreadsheets that are almost impossible to break unless you are a moron, not so much databases.
Unless you expect to run a website or want a real fancy program, a spreadsheet with macro's will do, and IS a program. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
509
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Posted - 2013.09.02 14:34:00 -
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Ressiv wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Sir Substance wrote:RubyPorto wrote:This Just In: Spreadsheets banned from EVE Online And nothing of value was lost. I wish people would stop making spreadsheets and then going "I made a program that...". Spreadsheets are not programs. Being one of the people who actually makes programs for Eve, I whole heartedly agree. Even if those programs I make tend to be only a little more complicated than a spreadsheet. People use spreadsheets far too much. Databases have far more utility, even if you do have to then write the front end for them. Every idiot can make a spreadsheet, not so much a database. A bit more sophisticated idiots can also write macro's in spreadsheets .. not so much queries. Semi non-idiots can create spreadsheets that are almost impossible to break unless you are a moron, not so much databases. Unless you expect to run a website or want a real fancy program, a spreadsheet with macro's will do, and IS a program. It's not a program though is it. It's at most a script for a program.
I tend to write web application for my own input and in game stuff, a database to handle all of the data storage, then use SSIS to import data and SSRS to report on it. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
511
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Posted - 2013.09.02 14:40:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Tippia wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Yes, it does not interact with the game client, please read I did read, and in doing so, I noted these passages: Gǣa program that updates your market orders automaticallyGǥ GǣThe program will alert you and auto scroll to your entryGǥ Since you didn't specify that it does this in the spreadsheet, and not the client, it certainly sounds a lot like client interaction. Quote:Click on the enxt button on client it will give you the enxt order to be pasted. GǪand this just further suggests that you're doing something in the client rather than outside of it. No its probably just reading from the screen or something. Or extracting the data the same way EFT extracts data. Personally I think stuff like that should be banned as it speeds up your trading so that others not using similiar cannot compete but what can you do. Where do you draw the line though. If I'm better at math, so can quickly work out my margins, should I be banned from trading? What about calculators? What about pen and paper? BAN PEN AND PAPER COS ITS BETTER THAN MEMORY! The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
656
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:06:00 -
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Ever owned a NES back in the day? The instruction booklets came with a NOTES section. You were not allowed to write in that space, Nintendo would erase your cardridge if you ever scribbled in that section. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
238
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:10:00 -
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To those saying my market interaction and specifically my tool should be against the rules, I agree it should but it's not. I would also like to see ISO boxers banned and a complete restart of the tranquility server. It's not fair to new players to ban these tools and allow vets to keep their ill gotten gains.
TLDR;
Wipe Clean Tranquility, while banning ISO boxing, market cache scraping (or scraping off eve central which scrapes eve market cache) and implement a vac style ban on botting and any program that interacts with the eve client what so ever that has not specifically been granted access. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
513
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:35:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:To those saying my market interaction and specifically my tool should be against the rules, I agree it should but it's not. I would also like to see ISO boxers banned and a complete restart of the tranquility server. It's not fair to new players to ban these tools and allow vets to keep their ill gotten gains.
TLDR;
Wipe Clean Tranquility, while banning ISO boxing, market cache scraping (or scraping off eve central which scrapes eve market cache) and implement a vac style ban on botting and any program that interacts with the eve client what so ever that has not specifically been granted access. How do you enforce a ban on cache scraping? Bearing in mind the cache is just a local dump of the data the client is using, it would be impossible for people to be caught doing it. Also, a server restart would guarantee the death of EVE. I'm fairly sure many vets would stop playing. I would, I'm not going through years of learning core skills again just to appease everyone quitting WoW and coming here. Also how would you deal with where people have paid real money to buy plex and then bought in game stuff with that? Is that just "tough luck"? There's so many things wrong with this whole idea, I find it hard to believe you could see past them all to think this was a good idea.
Oh and your market "program", so people pay you 250m, and may or may not receive a spreadsheet which does something? Do you not have like a website, with features lists and screenshots and all that jazz, or are people supposed to just chuck money at you and hope for the best? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Ressiv
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.09.02 15:46:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: It's not a program though is it. It's at most a script for a program.
I tend to write web application for my own input and in game stuff, a database to handle all of the data storage, then use SSIS to import data and SSRS to report on it.
For all practicall purposes, it takes certain data, and outputs other data, and displays it nice if done right .. sure it's a long shot from being worthy of the term 'program', but it's simple and it does the job ..
The fact you know how to write real stuff makes your stuff more complicated, but there is no guarantee it will work better..
Each has its place, and looking down on something because it only uses vbscript and perhaps some datasources is not needed.
Edit: I work for a pretty large IT department where managers seem unable to use an interface and NEED to see stuff in excel sheets because they cant work with it otherwise .. yes .. sad at an IT department, but happening all the time.
This makes it better for us to report in excel for certain systems, cuz we can pull it mure easily that way for those stupid managers .. data is data .. even if MS pissed on it. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
373
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:23:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Tippia wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Yes, it does not interact with the game client, please read I did read, and in doing so, I noted these passages: Gǣa program that updates your market orders automaticallyGǥ GǣThe program will alert you and auto scroll to your entryGǥ Since you didn't specify that it does this in the spreadsheet, and not the client, it certainly sounds a lot like client interaction. Quote:Click on the enxt button on client it will give you the enxt order to be pasted. GǪand this just further suggests that you're doing something in the client rather than outside of it. No its probably just reading from the screen or something. Or extracting the data the same way EFT extracts data. Personally I think stuff like that should be banned as it speeds up your trading so that others not using similiar cannot compete but what can you do. Where do you draw the line though. If I'm better at math, so can quickly work out my margins, should I be banned from trading? What about calculators? What about pen and paper? BAN PEN AND PAPER COS ITS BETTER THAN MEMORY! Yeah I know. That's why I said what can you do? |
Chic Botany
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2013.09.02 16:50:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:This Just In: Spreadsheets banned from EVE Online
but that means I'll have to go out into space instead of playing with Excel |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
295
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Posted - 2013.09.02 17:24:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:There is someone on my voice comms that swears some one was banned for this...
I found a website that takes a blueprint and automatically calculates profits over just selling the minerals using Jita prices.
You just enter a blue print and it tells you how many minerals are required. I'm not really an industrialist so I don't know how much I would personally use the site, but it seems odd that it would be something bannable to use. How would they know you are using it anyways?
The person on my voice comms says that someone was banned for using a website like this. I pointed out that I remember the guy from EVE University, but from my recolection he was using an automated process to buy and sell with enourmous volume that no human could do?
And if this website is illegal, what makes it illegal versus say EVE Central?
This question is more or less to resolve a personal debate with this person.
There was a uni who swore he did nothing but log in his accounts, cut & paste between a spreadsheet and EVE for marketing. He made a lot of isk.
He was suspended for a hacking, got mad about it being as he said he never hacked, so he donated his profits to the uni and quit the game for being 'falsely accused'. CCP came out, said he'd been hacking, seized his donation.
Some here may remember it. He'd gone so far as to fully outline exactly what he'd done but CCP said he was hacking. He wasn't banned outright, suspended then quit on his own.
I know of someone who tried what he did for a bit (to see if it was possible to do manually) and could duplicate his pace after a few days practice. He wasn't nailed for hacking but was very angry and made a lot of noise about the guy who did quit.
One of those may be the foundation for your friend's assertion. CCP said hacker, someone duplicated based upon manual actions... I personally don't know and it's not something I care to dig into.
I'd just suggest you be careful about how quickly you can process blocks of updates using such a method. If you get really good at it, you may get nailed. "Just in case" - a lot of hacks can only be spotted by activity profiling. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
513
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Posted - 2013.09.02 17:40:00 -
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Ressiv wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: It's not a program though is it. It's at most a script for a program.
I tend to write web application for my own input and in game stuff, a database to handle all of the data storage, then use SSIS to import data and SSRS to report on it.
For all practicall purposes, it takes certain data, and outputs other data, and displays it nice if done right .. sure it's a long shot from being worthy of the term 'program', but it's simple and it does the job .. The fact you know how to write real stuff makes your stuff more complicated, but there is no guarantee it will work better.. Each has its place, and looking down on something because it only uses vbscript and perhaps some datasources is not needed. Edit: I work for a pretty large IT department where managers seem unable to use an interface and NEED to see stuff in excel sheets because they cant work with it otherwise .. yes .. sad at an IT department, but happening all the time. This makes it better for us to report in excel for certain systems, cuz we can pull it mure easily that way for those stupid managers .. data is data .. even if MS pissed on it. Oh absolutely, I'm not saying a spreadsheet can;t do the job. But a spreadsheet is still not a program. The "program" is excel. You are simply providing it with the input it requires to get the job done. Just because you chucked a couple of lines of vbscript into it doesn't make it any more of a program.
Businesses always love excel because generally all end users have had some level of exposure to it already. We try to migrate as many of ours to fixed systems (SSRS, SSAS) as possible, as performance and reliability of excel spreadsheets suffers in the long run with larger volumes of data. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
1853
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Posted - 2013.09.02 21:14:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Ressiv wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: It's not a program though is it. It's at most a script for a program.
I tend to write web application for my own input and in game stuff, a database to handle all of the data storage, then use SSIS to import data and SSRS to report on it.
For all practicall purposes, it takes certain data, and outputs other data, and displays it nice if done right .. sure it's a long shot from being worthy of the term 'program', but it's simple and it does the job .. The fact you know how to write real stuff makes your stuff more complicated, but there is no guarantee it will work better.. Each has its place, and looking down on something because it only uses vbscript and perhaps some datasources is not needed. Edit: I work for a pretty large IT department where managers seem unable to use an interface and NEED to see stuff in excel sheets because they cant work with it otherwise .. yes .. sad at an IT department, but happening all the time. This makes it better for us to report in excel for certain systems, cuz we can pull it mure easily that way for those stupid managers .. data is data .. even if MS pissed on it. Oh absolutely, I'm not saying a spreadsheet can;t do the job. But a spreadsheet is still not a program. The "program" is excel. You are simply providing it with the input it requires to get the job done. Just because you chucked a couple of lines of vbscript into it doesn't make it any more of a program. Businesses always love excel because generally all end users have had some level of exposure to it already. We try to migrate as many of ours to fixed systems (SSRS, SSAS) as possible, as performance and reliability of excel spreadsheets suffers in the long run with larger volumes of data.
The worst thing a business can have: important business processes locked up in an excel sheet that only one person understands, which is fragile. (change something, everything breaks)
Well, maybe not the worst. But it's up there. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
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