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Sir Substance
I N E X T R E M I S Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.09.03 01:46:00 -
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Ressiv wrote:[quote=Steve Ronuken]
Unless you expect to run a website or want a real fancy program, a spreadsheet with macro's will do, and IS a program.
It's a platform specific script, not a program. There's a difference. Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4047
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Posted - 2013.09.03 02:19:00 -
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So how long until CCP disables pasting into market order dialog box?
Cache scraping only works while the game maintains a cache on disk.
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Nalestom Zypher
Jester's Hole
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Posted - 2013.09.03 02:49:00 -
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The simple fact of the matter is that there will always be botters, and (especially in Eve) there will always be players who will go as far as they possibly can to maximize their efficiency at whatever profession they choose. If pasting into the market order dialog box is disabled, other market traders will still complain about their competition using cache scrapers. If cache scraping is made illegal, people will still do it unless CCP obfuscates it, and other market traders will still complain about their competition using spreadsheets, and so on and so forth.
Any program or script that directly manipulates the Eve client is and should be illegal. Outside of that, everything else should be fair ground; this is Eve, and it should reward those who are willing to go the extra mile to collect and analyze data from the game. |
Sir Substance
I N E X T R E M I S Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.09.03 03:18:00 -
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Nalestom Zypher wrote: Any program or script that directly manipulates the Eve client is and should be illegal. Outside of that, everything else should be fair ground; this is Eve, and it should reward those who are willing to go the extra mile to collect and analyze data from the game.
I tend to agree. Any inputs to the eve client have to be done by human hands.
Beyond that, I think it should be fair game.
Unfortunately, decisions over systems like bacon have made the details of going the other way blurry. Scraping the cache for market details to analyze so you can maximise your trading profit is ok, but scraping the log server so you can beep when people enter local is not, and CCP actually changed what the log server logged to stop it working.
El whut? Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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Marttax Depran
The Ardency of Faith
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Posted - 2013.09.03 04:18:00 -
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What's the site? |
Sir Substance
I N E X T R E M I S Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.09.03 04:53:00 -
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Marttax Depran wrote:What's the site?
Sounds like fuzzworks to me, especially since the guy who wrote it has been posting in this thread:
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/calc.php Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
238
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Posted - 2013.09.04 09:14:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:To those saying my market interaction and specifically my tool should be against the rules, I agree it should but it's not. I would also like to see ISO boxers banned and a complete restart of the tranquility server. It's not fair to new players to ban these tools and allow vets to keep their ill gotten gains.
TLDR;
Wipe Clean Tranquility, while banning ISO boxing, market cache scraping (or scraping off eve central which scrapes eve market cache) and implement a vac style ban on botting and any program that interacts with the eve client what so ever that has not specifically been granted access. How do you enforce a ban on cache scraping? Bearing in mind the cache is just a local dump of the data the client is using, it would be impossible for people to be caught doing it. Also, a server restart would guarantee the death of EVE. I'm fairly sure many vets would stop playing. I would, I'm not going through years of learning core skills again just to appease everyone quitting WoW and coming here. Also how would you deal with where people have paid real money to buy plex and then bought in game stuff with that? Is that just "tough luck"? There's so many things wrong with this whole idea, I find it hard to believe you could see past them all to think this was a good idea. Oh and your market "program", so people pay you 250m, and may or may not receive a spreadsheet which does something? Do you not have like a website, with features lists and screenshots and all that jazz, or are people supposed to just chuck money at you and hope for the best?
No I'm not making a website for a simple program, I'm not that into eve. The peeps who have my program have not complained, not that I would care anyway. 250m for sending an email is good isk anything above that I can't be bothered. Eve is supposed to be a game and fun, if your not having fun then you are playing it wrong that's why I made the program, I isk wars are not fun I'd rather have my spread sheet do the brain power for me and all i have to do is press a single key to keep it EULA legal. Part of the reason I am a low and NPC null sec scrub and nothing more, sov is not fun and neither is epeen leaderships. |
sally Deninard
mss industry
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Posted - 2013.09.04 11:32:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:No, It's not even against EULA to use a program that updates your market orders automatically for you to copy and paste into eve market. As long as all automation takes place outside the client (same reason ISO boxer is legal and other programs)
Feel free to eve mail me as I sell such a program I created for 250m. I use my own personal spread sheet which caps a high buy price and a low sell price, you will have to fill this in to your hearts content. I'm able to 1 isk hundreds of items in a matter of minutes with zero effort or number crunching beyond my pre set by limits which I update bi monthly. The program will alert you and auto scroll to your entry once it detects that your buy price or sell price is no longer the regions best. It will then supply a new best value and copy it for you ready for you to (ctrl v) paste into eve market. I advise changing your ctrl v to a single keyboard stroke( this is explained in the read me.)
The program was capable of scrolling through the eve market and opening the change box for you to paste but I have disabled this option as it's probabbly not EULA legal but even that is hazy as ISO boxer interacts with clients in such manners. I also advise you to heed all ccp warnings and messages you get regarding my program and to limit your use to human like and sensible level.s
I charge a flat fee of 250m for the program which will be emailed to you, (the file is tiny) , I do not offer support beyond the read me file and I have no plans to update it or add further features. It works well for me, you are free to mod to your hearts content but I'd ask you not to sell it or forward it.
Submit payment in game with reason as Brew's Market Tool at cost 250m isk. Send me an eve mail with your email and any questions that are not answered in the read me file. I will choose to ignore any silly questions as I'm not spoon feeding you this easy to use program. Also no ISK no reply and don't convo me in game you will be ignored and possibely blocked, eve mail with isk replys only.
3.You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
It was the copy / paste feature of( i think )eve marketeer that was causing the problem with e uni`s "jon the bot". If you change market orders in an automated fashion (ie without manually typing it into the eve market box ) it will appear that you are botting. Some clarification by CCP on this would be nice |
Ressiv
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:19:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:
The worst thing a business can have: important business processes locked up in an excel sheet that only one person understands, which is fragile. (change something, everything breaks)
Well, maybe not the worst. But it's up there.
Like, for instance, the backup schedules and logs ? 'They' still think it's not all that important ... even when Excel 2010 broke half a gazillion things in linked sheets that use NT permissions for edit ranges ..
You are right tho :p
Sir Substance wrote: It's a platform specific script, not a program. There's a difference.
That holds true for even PHP ;) IMHO excel becomes a program once there is sufficient VBScript in there that takes care of key functions used in the sheet. The sheet itself just becomes the dataset and bucket for the vb program in that case. |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:59:00 -
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As far as I am aware, there is nothing about that that can/would make it illegal. However, ISD do not set, interpret, or enforce the EULA/ToS, so a better recourse than to listen to me (or to anyone else soapboxing here) would be to file a support ticket with your question. The Eve GM team can answer in an official manner. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.04 18:23:00 -
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AFAIK, impossible to know what you're doing without a spreadsheet. That sheet grows over time. The next step is to make a more advanced spreadsheet that already "knows" what builds what with what (simply saves time typing). You get that from the SQL data dump. Next step is scraping market data to fill in the blanks (saves time with copy/paste from Eve). That's ambiguous in terms of the EULA, but according to devs it's OK as long as your tool isn't botting. That is to say, automating buying/selling for trading and so on. You still have to do that manually.
Now given that a few places have gone ****-up today, I'm thinking CCP has sneakily changed the cache format to prevent scraping, or at least make it much harder. I hope they've just changed the format a little, but I've got a feeling they've hit it with a hammer. This means the tool I'm working on won't be able to automatically get (relatively) recent prices. I'll have to put them in manually. But even if I do that, it'll still be better than using my damned spreadsheet.
Just for fun, I thought I'd demonstrate why serious manufacturers like their tools. Here's a paste-bin of everything needed to build 1 x 10MN Microwarpdrive II (the quantities are off, ignore them). Yes, that's a breakdown of the entire tree from finished product to simple moon goo + invention. Long, isn't it. |
Sir Substance
I N E X T R E M I S Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:45:00 -
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Ressiv wrote: That holds true for even PHP ;) IMHO excel becomes a program once there is sufficient VBScript in there that takes care of key functions used in the sheet. The sheet itself just becomes the dataset and bucket for the vb program in that case.
PHP is a scripting language. The key difference is in how much of the surrounds gear you have to deal with. an excel spreadsheet is modifying the behavior of excel. The hard part, writing excel, is already done. But it does constrain you to doing what excel supports.
Programs you have to set that baseline yourself, but in exchange, you can do considerably more things with the software. Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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