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Robert Willo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.03 08:59:00 -
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well I have seen corporations and Alliances offer ship replacement and a form of self insurance. a few of us where kicking some ideas around and this was the most agreed upon. what we feel would and should have is the ability to turn on a self insurance option. that will reimburse members of a corporation and / or alliance for there estimated loses of ship, clone and implants. this would be most beneficial during wars, militia, and organized group operations . the way I see this is that once turned on it will automatically reimburse the member for there losses straight out of the corporations wallet. this would save time and allow wars to be easier financed. |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:07:00 -
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So I can welp Machariels into gate camps and my Alliance will cover the expense? Awesome. Oh god. |
TheBlueMonkey
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:08:00 -
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
That sounds great, right up until your foolish member gets popped in his 40bil isk officer fit faction battleship and then loses his full slave pod resulting in your corp losing all it's isk.
Hell, alliance ship replacement programs usually rely on "we'll replace doctoring fit ships" and won't touch anything shiny.
your idea is bad, you should feel bad. |
c4binfever
Morte Aut Gloria The Void Mandate
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:19:00 -
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I could see this working if you could set some sort of conditions for the payouts. ISK limit or refund a set % of losses or something.
Best option is just to appoint someone to handle all your corp/alliance insurance claims. <--dotbot |
Robert Willo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:27:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
That sounds great, right up until your foolish member gets popped in his 40bil isk officer fit faction battleship and then loses his full slave pod resulting in your corp losing all it's isk.
Hell, alliance ship replacement programs usually rely on "we'll replace doctoring fit ships" and won't touch anything shiny.
your idea is bad, you should feel bad.
well I agree that it may happen but the safety is that the CEO has to turn it on. and just as in a real corporation if you brake corporate police you get reprimanded or fired.
I still believe that it would be a valuable asset and tool for any size corporation. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.03 09:45:00 -
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Robert Willo wrote:TheBlueMonkey wrote:HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
That sounds great, right up until your foolish member gets popped in his 40bil isk officer fit faction battleship and then loses his full slave pod resulting in your corp losing all it's isk.
Hell, alliance ship replacement programs usually rely on "we'll replace doctoring fit ships" and won't touch anything shiny.
your idea is bad, you should feel bad. well I agree that it may happen but the safety is that the CEO has to turn it on. and just as in a real corporation if you brake corporate police you get reprimanded or fired. I still believe that it would be a valuable asset and tool for any size corporation. Most corps would leave it off. Most corps have specific circumstances by which you can get SRP, and the first is usually "you don't get SRP if it was your own stupid fault" CCP would have a hard time coding this in as a rule. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
TheBlueMonkey
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:03:00 -
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I'd also like to add that lazyness shouldn't be a thing that's promoted in EvE. Which is exactly what this looks like to me. |
Xavier Xile
xXx Serenity Dead Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:14:00 -
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I think his idea might have been sparked for those that want to have auto insurance like for example your in NUll Sec working out of a POS and your in a SoV war and you grab a ship from the PoS, Then have a pop up window for insurance that each player pays for. Then when or if he dies the corp gets sent back to Corperation to help towards making new ships.
If not that would be a nice spin off of this idea . |
Conius Mar
Black Sheep Squadron VMA214 Rolling The Dice
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:42:00 -
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You do realise corps/alliances offer a partial SRP not full right?
And your isk would drain quickly ^^
If I had all my ships reimbursed I'd go hunting in purple macherials.
Bad idea, go back to carebearing please. |
Conius Mar
Black Sheep Squadron VMA214 Rolling The Dice
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Posted - 2013.09.03 10:44:00 -
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Robert Willo wrote:TheBlueMonkey wrote:HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
That sounds great, right up until your foolish member gets popped in his 40bil isk officer fit faction battleship and then loses his full slave pod resulting in your corp losing all it's isk.
Hell, alliance ship replacement programs usually rely on "we'll replace doctoring fit ships" and won't touch anything shiny.
your idea is bad, you should feel bad. well I agree that it may happen but the safety is that the CEO has to turn it on. and just as in a real corporation if you brake corporate police you get reprimanded or fired. I still believe that it would be a valuable asset and tool for any size corporation.
Does getting reprimanded or fired get back the 60bil macherial that one of my corp members just lost? |
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Robert Willo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.03 18:05:00 -
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while every one has to work hard in life I find that eve is still just a game. and I don't want to kill a role in eve like the tractor beam did to haulers. but I for see this being use in many ways, one of these ways might be offering self insurance for an area of opportunity being home system to region. I had not thought about the Miners but this also could be a boost at helping keep your miners happy and grinding rocks. I believe that this will help a CEO and his or her directors. as far as why other corporations Ship Reimbursement Programs may fail or falter is that after reading four to five hundred EVE-mails making the pay outs for over a 1000 plus ship losses in a week might be undesirables. and really I haven't fingered out how to get paid in Real World cash for all the selfless hard work I have done in eve. So why make it a Job.
O and TY for the Care Bear comment I had not thought about the miners and Industrials. and TY for your constructive comments in helping refine this idea / suggestion. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
532
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Posted - 2013.09.03 18:13:00 -
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Robert Willo wrote:while every one has to work hard in life I find that eve is still just a game. and I don't want to kill a role in eve like the tractor beam did to haulers. but I for see this being use in many ways, one of these ways might be offering self insurance for an area of opportunity being home system to region. I had not thought about the Miners but this also could be a boost at helping keep your miners happy and grinding rocks. I believe that this will help a CEO and his or her directors. as far as why other corporations Ship Reimbursement Programs may fail or falter is that after reading four to five hundred EVE-mails making the pay outs for over a 1000 plus ship losses in a week might be undesirables. and really I haven't fingered out how to get paid in Real World cash for all the selfless hard work I have done in eve. So why make it a Job.
O and TY for the Care Bear comment I had not thought about the miners and Industrials. and TY for your constructive comments in helping refine this idea / suggestion. You don't seem to get that it's not as clear cut as you think though. Nobody would enable this idea as theres so many sub rules to SRP that the only corps that would find this useful would be <10 man corps. And if they are paying put SRP for thousands of ships, they are doing something wrong. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
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Posted - 2013.09.03 19:51:00 -
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Self-insurance is already automatic.
You blow up. You pay for your replacement.
If you want something fancier, start learning to program, read the API for killmails, calculate your tolerance for stupidity, and generate an output file for reimbursements.
All that's left is to hire some guy named Otto to read the output and hand out all your corp's isk until it runs out.
The overwhelming number of combinations possible in the "calculate your tolerance for stupidity" step is why CCP will never write something like this into the game.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
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Posted - 2013.09.03 22:46:00 -
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Add the option to the killmail: manual reimbursement. Accountants can use this option from the corp lossmail interface to reimburse using any wallet they have access to. The value reimbursed can be manually input, but defaults to the mineral value of the hull, or a percentage thereof stored in cache memory. Reimbursement in this way can only happen once, or at the very least the KM gets flagged as reimbursed. I like the concept of the idea (easy reimbursement tool), but the proposed form is to easily abused. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:02:00 -
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Robert Willo wrote:self insurance
Try this.
Have a matching ship fitted in a convenient hangar and use it when you get blown up.
You're welcome.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:52:00 -
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It's a good idea that could be iterated on to fix most of the objections.
I always thought the "sandbox" would be better if EVE started incorporating some of the best, long lasting ideas into the game itself.
For example, adding EVEMon and EFT to the game itself, with a web-client attached to EVEGate and a stand-alone app still available for when you're not in-game. For some reason, always saw this as a feature that could exist at terminals in stations, along with Blink Lounges :)
But back to the point, it would be a nice feature if killmails could, at the touch of a button, be submitted in-game to a "SRP" queue in Corporation Management. People with the SRP role would be able to filter the results of any submitted killmails, and could either approve the reimbursement (at a default rate set by the corp or by a manually adjusted rate) or deny the reimbursement and autosend an evemail to the pilot (with a default message that could also be manually adjusted if further explanation was required).
Instead of having to go to a third party website, dead pilots could just click a button on their loss mail; trusted corporate servants could mass approve (or deny) requests in-game, assuming the appropriate wallet had sufficient funds, and instantly fire off bundles of isk for more ships. Or hell, add the option to not send isk, but instead auto-generate a contract for an already purchased, pre-fitted ship at a certain station, if your corp wants another option for managing their SRP.
Honestly, a pretty good idea. So it won't get far :)
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
149
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Posted - 2013.09.04 01:53:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Add the option to the killmail: manual reimbursement. Accountants can use this option from the corp lossmail interface to reimburse using any wallet they have access to. The value reimbursed can be manually input, but defaults to the mineral value of the hull, or a percentage thereof stored in cache memory. Reimbursement in this way can only happen once, or at the very least the KM gets flagged as reimbursed. I like the concept of the idea (easy reimbursement tool), but the proposed form is to easily abused.
Great minds think alike :)
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Sir Substance
I N E X T R E M I S Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:00:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:So I can welp Machariels into gate camps and my Alliance will cover the expense? Awesome.
Never has your sig more appropriately followed on from your post. Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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Aran Aivo
Stahl Arms and Shipyards V0RTEX.
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:40:00 -
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I think this isn't a bad Idea.
Corporations would probably leave this option off but I think it definitely needs ability's to put restrictions. It wouldn't be too hard to code in an option for replacing ships based on corporation fittings.
It would also be a good idea to throw in an option for how often the person can redeem the SRP to prevent people from gaming the system in an effort to harm the corporation.
The whole thing is doable, but in the end I don't know how many corporations would like this option and probably definitely not when Its first released since It will probably have plenty of bugs that need to be worked out. Eventually however it might be a good option down the road. |
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