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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:06:00 -
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https://twitter.com/#!/ArnarHrafn/status/121939274303143936
Are you serious or just trolling?
Serioulsy hope you're trolling... GÇ£Status quo, you know, is Latin for 'the mess we're in.GÇ¥
~ Ronald Reagan |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
37
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:11:00 -
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*PrtScn* |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:15:00 -
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boohoo suicide gankers might soon find that ganking untankable mining barges will have harsher consequences
miners have had to put up with gankers for years
deal with it Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:16:00 -
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Since when aren't those two not serious about game breaking moronic ideas. Zulu should have been dropped on his face the minute he waltzed in and cause the carrier fiasco of years ago. But hey even t-20 still works for ccp. At least the coke head is gone now. |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Coalition of the Unfortunate
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:16:00 -
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What gets me is why they don't up the defences on the mining barges and other exhumers. ORE needs to get their ass in gear. If I was designing ships that kept getting blown up I'd see to it that they got more armour slapped on them.
As for CONCORD -- an increasing % of security status loss would probably be in order. For example, if you repeatedly gank you should suffer a greater security status penalty each time than if you do it rarely. This log should probably run for 3 to 6 months. |
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
44
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:18:00 -
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Miners have had years to learn that saving their barges is stupidly easy and nearly 100% fool proof but would rather be lazy victims. They don't need more tank, they don't need concord fixes. The pilots need to step up and actually fly the ship. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
249
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:19:00 -
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Its working as intended.. does not need fixing. Maybe remove insurance for concordokken ships.. but despite maybe that CONCORD is working perfectly.
Don't **** with CONCODOCD GÇ£Status quo, you know, is Latin for 'the mess we're in.GÇ¥
~ Ronald Reagan |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
37
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:21:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote: As for CONCORD -- an increasing % of security status loss would probably be in order. For example, if you repeatedly gank you should suffer a greater security status penalty each time than if you do it rarely. This log should probably run for 3 to 6 months.
Well.. That actually would make sense I guess. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
175
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:22:00 -
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He wasn't trolling. I thought he was. He was offended that I thought he was.
https://twitter.com/#!/HilmarVeigar/status/122062994824900608
https://twitter.com/#!/HilmarVeigar/status/122073565842518017
EVE Online: Incarna = New Coke. EVE Online: Winter Expansion = Coke Classic. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
37
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:25:00 -
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LOL |
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Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries Gold Star Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:34:00 -
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Why is it so hard to make a screenshot? |
Rocky Deadshot
In The Goo EVE Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:36:00 -
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holy crap... goons actually caused a flood of tears that got CCP to act. just Amazing...
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:36:00 -
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Kievan Arakyd wrote:Why is it so hard to make a screenshot? Why is it so hard for you to click a link?
EVE Online: Incarna = New Coke. EVE Online: Winter Expansion = Coke Classic. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
37
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:37:00 -
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Wait.. What did I miss about the goons? |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:37:00 -
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Rocky Deadshot wrote:holy crap... goons actually caused a flood of tears that got CCP to act. Got them to talk about acting, at any rate. No one knows for sure if they are actually making changes. But best to assume they are acting upon that conversation unless they confirm otherwise.
EVE Online: Incarna = New Coke. EVE Online: Winter Expansion = Coke Classic. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
37
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:38:00 -
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Or is this just about the whole goon ice ops interdiction? |
Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries Gold Star Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:39:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kievan Arakyd wrote:Why is it so hard to make a screenshot? Why is it so hard for you to click a link?
Says page doesnt exist. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:42:00 -
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Goons 1 you 0
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:43:00 -
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Kievan Arakyd wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kievan Arakyd wrote:Why is it so hard to make a screenshot? Why is it so hard for you to click a link? A litter herp in your derp? Page does not exist.
It does, change your settings, browser, brains, drugs, alcohol whatever, but do something. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:46:00 -
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How about now they blow you up before they show up? |
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Vachir Khan
TriSeq Defence Group
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:46:00 -
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I figured it out!
Goons are doing this to force CCP's hand, but when CCP asks their Goon overlords on how to do it the answer will be "don't buff concord, buff the icemining ships instead". CCP will then buff the Mackinaws and a while later (after having had yet another "chat" with their overlords) CCP decides to move ice belts to 0.0 and specifically to Goon space. Now goons can bot mackinaws with ease on their Rifter accounts (increased tank needs less SP and isk to tank 0.0 rats).
It's all a plot you see. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. |
Chancellor November
Spiritus Draconis
0
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:54:00 -
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God knows, this game needs smarter NPC's... if (finally) getting around to doing that means that Concord gets cleverer, then what the hell's the problem? It's Eve... you adapt, or you don't... big deal.
In other threads we have (and have had - for years) people whining about how much Isk 'carebears' make from level 4's... do I think Level 4's pay out too much? No, not at all... I think they pay out a good amount -- I just think they're far too bloody easy. Far too predictable --- like Concord.
Bring in something new to the mix. Why not? |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
37
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:55:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:How about now they blow you up before they show up?
ROFL.. +1
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Shadowsword
The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva
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Posted - 2011.10.29 16:57:00 -
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Rocky Deadshot wrote:holy crap... goons actually caused a flood of tears that got CCP to act. just Amazing...
Sigh...
Look at the date. This twit is from october 6. Back then, the goon campaign was barely starting and the whining wasn't much.
I'm all for suicide ganking, but I'm also in favor of decisions having consequences. And when some random use a disposable alt with a thrasher or brutix to do a gank, where is the consequence? The sec statut loss isn't a big deal, and the isk loss is pathetic. 10 minutes worth of farming.
Let's be honest, it is currently far to cheap to gank someone. You should need hours of farming or sec statut grinding to recover from a gank.
But that is an issue that predate the Goon campaign.
In fact, I suspect one of the following scenarios:
- Mittani was informed about CCP wanting to do something about suicide ganks, and decided to do it all-out while it was still there. - Mittani was informed about CCP blabla, and saw the opportunity to anticipate and make it look like he was the one forcing CCP to change game mechanics. Ego stroking on a massive scale. - Mittani blabla, and saw an opportunity to get even richer, speculating on oxytopes and creating this "protection fee" scheme. - All of the above. |
Cunane Jeran
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Posted - 2011.10.29 17:03:00 -
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It's a fair shout, I just say have concord kill outlaws when they enter a system like they use to instead of the faction navies. Job done. |
Feilamya
0
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Posted - 2011.10.29 17:06:00 -
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The roots of the ganking problem are clearly CONCORD and lack of consequences.
1. Let's have a look at CONCORD first. Mining barges are weak, untankable ships. So what can we do to protect them? Bring a strong force of PVP ships, camp the gates, guard the hulks and macks and shoot everything that even remotely looks like a goon. But wait, this isn't possible, because everytime a security ship opens fire on a goon, CONCORD shoots the security ship, NOT the goon. Is this what an effective and lawful internet spaceship police force should do?
SOLUTION: Remove CONCORD!
2.Now let's talk about consequences. I see people talking about sec status loss, CONCORD intevention and no insurance for ships involved in criminal activity. You call THAT consequences? The only force in this game which is strong, determined and (to some extent) smart enough to provide consequences are the players. But once again, they can't. And why? You guessed right: It's because of CONCORD!
SOLUTION: Remove CONCORD!
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Kalicor Lightwind
Vigihan Scelus Sceleris.
2
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Posted - 2011.10.29 17:10:00 -
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The only force which is going to be a reliable deterrent is NPCs because players don't actually live in this game.
Concord being gone would be okay if it wasn't like 75% of this game's job to just make other peoples' lives harder =P |
Comy 1
Ore Mongers Indecisive Certainty
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Posted - 2011.10.29 17:10:00 -
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If they change anything I would assume that it is a way to either:
1) Make it alot harder for outlaws to keep ganking.
2) Prevent people from pulling Concord away from a spot with a noob alt/ship
This will not stop people from alpha killing a ship though, nor is there a way to stop a player with sufficient security status from suiciding unless they completely break the game. |
luZk
Jaegerkorpset
10
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Posted - 2011.10.29 17:16:00 -
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"CCP Engineering Alliance surrenders to Goonswarm Federation" |
Feilamya
0
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Posted - 2011.10.29 17:20:00 -
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Comy 1 wrote:If they change anything I would assume that it is a way to either:
1) Make it alot harder for outlaws to keep ganking.
2) Prevent people from pulling Concord away from a spot with a noob alt/ship
This will not stop people from alpha killing a ship though, nor is there a way to stop a player with sufficient security status from suiciding unless they completely break the game. It will only make alt-recycling more common.
Yes I know this is a punishable exploit, but we already know that CCP don't have the resources to police wardec mechanics, so why would they be policing alt-recycling?
Gankers will always find a way. Carebears on the other hand will always cry for CCP to adapt the game for them. In the end, this becomes a game of gankers vs. CCP. Is this what you think a sandbox should be like?
If gankers can adapt, so can carebears. Give them a chance! Give carebears the tools to adapt to the situation! Remove highsec! Put balancing in the hands of the players! |
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