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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.29 19:28:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:What gets me is why they don't up the defences on the mining barges and other exhumers. ORE needs to get their ass in gear. If I was designing ships that kept getting blown up I'd see to it that they got more armour slapped on them.
As for CONCORD -- an increasing % of security status loss would probably be in order. For example, if you repeatedly gank you should suffer a greater security status penalty each time than if you do it rarely. This log should probably run for 3 to 6 months.
I would gather the reason goes something like this: Mining barges appeal to a specific portion of the game's populace. Ganking affects anyone in hisec. Therefore, Concord gets the buff because ganking to the extent that it has become is a detriment to the game's overall health. By buffing one you bascially buff every other ship in hisec indirectly.
I suspect there is a certain amount of resistance to buffing the barges themselves due to RMT's reliance on them. CCP wants barges to be ganked, just not in hisec where most of the beginning players are located? We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Sandviched
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.10.29 19:35:00 -
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Hi I'm a 'pirate' I gank cause it's easy and requires no mental though... please don't make me use my brain... |
Houseki Shoujo
Catocalypse Meow ZOMBIE KITTY FORCE
3
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Posted - 2011.10.29 19:41:00 -
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Teamosil wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Houseki Shoujo wrote:What if there was a distress call? one that if someone was in the system they could click the button and be warped in to help out. Just an idea to throw out. except that by the time they warp to you you are dead lol Yeah, that's true, but I do like the premise. If there is a way for players to solve the issue that doesn't require like setting up a huge corporation and organizing everything in advance that certainly would be appealing. Like maybe they set it up so that if you get shot first in hi sec you can hit a distress button. It immobilizes you, cancels CONCORDE, prevents you from doing anything at all, but makes you invulnerable for 90 seconds and sends out a distress call to local that people can click on to warp to you. I haven't thought that through, but you get my drift I think. Something where the players could protect one another would be cool.
Ya i would say just keep it simple and the invulnerability thing is anything but simple. Buff miners just a little bit. just long enough for someone to respond to the call. and why make it only for miners? but any system that will make it easyer for players to jump in and help or hurt someone is fine. A distress call in RL isnt just sent to people on your side. SOS goes out to every one. |
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
17
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Posted - 2011.10.29 19:49:00 -
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Houseki Shoujo wrote:Buff miners just a little bit. just long enough for someone to respond to the call.
Well, without CONCORDE coming you'd need to buff them quite a bit for them to survive long enough for people to get there. Which could be quite a while given that somebody has to see the distress call, decide whether they want to respond to it, probably recall their drones or undock or something, then warp there.
Houseki Shoujo wrote:and why make it only for miners?
I wouldn't say just make it for miners necessarily, but I suspect they're the only ones that would need it. A combat ship has enough tank to have some decent options already. An industrial probably can be popped pretty consistently before it even has a chance to hit a button.
You could make it a hi slot module that anybody could fit to create more of a tradeoff.
Houseki Shoujo wrote:A distress call in RL isnt just sent to people on your side. SOS goes out to every one.
No doubt. You'd probably be calling down some extra gankers on your head too. Sounds cool to me. Turn ganking into an actual PvP experience. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
172
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Posted - 2011.10.29 19:51:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kievan Arakyd wrote:Why is it so hard to make a screenshot? Why is it so hard for you to click a link?
because my internet explorer has twitter on bann. |
Handsome Hussein
66
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Posted - 2011.10.29 19:52:00 -
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Sandviched wrote:Hi I'm a 'pirate' I gank cause it's easy and requires no mental though... Quoting before you can edit this. Apparently pirating does takes some brains; pirates tend to have a better command of the English language than high-sec whiners like you. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
The Offerer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2011.10.29 20:02:00 -
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Rocky Deadshot wrote:holy crap... goons actually caused a flood of tears that got CCP to act. just Amazing...
If something is slightly out of balance (meaning that one type of players feel that some other type of players have an "unfair" advantage), it's good for the game as you always tend to look for one more creative way to work around it. Nerfs come when that slight imbalance is used excessively by one type of players.
That's what happened with nano, that's what happened with supercaps, that's what will happen with suicide ganking. I don't exactly know how you could expect anything else to happen while knowing what happened in similar situations in the past. Is it for the good of the game or not, that's another story.
Personally, I like the gankings and non-consensual PvP in highsec because it makes the game interesting. But if some players insist on forcing that mechanic to its limits, nerf will most likely happen.
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
191
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Posted - 2011.10.29 20:10:00 -
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Sandviched wrote:Hi I'm a 'pirate' I gank cause it's easy and requires no mental though... please don't make me use my brain...
says the person who can't form a coherent sentence
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Comy 1
Ore Mongers Indecisive Certainty
56
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Posted - 2011.10.29 20:13:00 -
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Teamosil wrote:Comy 1 wrote:Teamosil wrote:How about this? Make it so you can't biomass an alt with a negative security status and you can't shoot anybody in high sec on a trial account. Would that be a change everybody could live with? This might help a bit, but in the end I think it will only end up as limitations in the game since there will still be alot of people using other ways to exploit. I'm not gonna describe exactly how they do it, but haven't you seen all of the 3 weeks or so old amarr characters in noob corps sitting in apocs suicide ganking? These rules will not stop them. Maybe I'm missing something, but I would think that would be exactly what it would stop. I'm assuming that they just use those characters for however long they can before their security status drops too low, biomass, and roll new ones. Is that not true? But, IMO the goal with that kind of approach wouldn't be to prevent suicide ganking. Just to make the people doing it face the consequences. They'd either have to grind their security status back up periodically or do the orca trick. Either way, that seems more like a fair fight to me. If they're grinding security status up, they're certainly putting in the effort and deserve the reward. If they're using an orca then the person getting ganked gets a lot of warning and it limits their options pretty dramatically since that approach doesn't really work for gate and station camping. Plus it means they have a little skin in the game since people could actually set them back a bit by suicide ganking their orca.
Tip: trial accounts can't fly apocs, gonna leave it at that. |
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
17
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Posted - 2011.10.29 20:36:00 -
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Comy 1 wrote:Tip: trial accounts can't fly apocs, gonna leave it at that.
Right... That's why I'm saying they use alts, biomass them when their sec status gets low, and roll new ones. I mean using the alts on their paid accounts. |
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ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
31
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Posted - 2011.10.29 20:49:00 -
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in all seriusness concord doesnt need buffing, it insta pops folks as it is, although AI imporvments on OTHER NPC's would be welcome,
a better solution would be remove concord payouts for criminal acts , i dont think that it woudl be that hard to do really.
suicide ganking needs to stay though unless CCP have decided to go soft .
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1735
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Posted - 2011.10.29 20:57:00 -
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Rocky Deadshot wrote:holy crap... goons actually caused a flood of tears that got CCP to act. just Amazing...
We're now working with Helicity for a combined Goonswarm/Hulkageddon event which will make the last few Hulkageddons look like drops in the bucket. |
The Offerer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2011.10.29 21:01:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Rocky Deadshot wrote:holy crap... goons actually caused a flood of tears that got CCP to act. just Amazing...
We're now working with Helicity for a combined Goonswarm/Hulkageddon event which will make the last few Hulkageddons look like drops in the bucket. ... and by doing that, you will validate Hilmar's point. But then again, I don't know if that is your goal, so whatever. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
253
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Posted - 2011.10.29 21:09:00 -
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Is there supposed to be a goal? GÇ£Status quo, you know, is Latin for 'the mess we're in.GÇ¥
~ Ronald Reagan |
The Offerer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2011.10.29 21:14:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Is there supposed to be a goal?
You're right. Agenda would be more suitable word. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
176
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Posted - 2011.10.29 21:17:00 -
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Sandviched wrote:Hi I'm a 'pirate' I gank cause it's easy and requires no mental though... please don't make me use my brain... Ganking is an art.
EVE Online: Incarna = New Coke. EVE Online: Winter Expansion = Coke Classic. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
176
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Posted - 2011.10.29 21:19:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Rocky Deadshot wrote:holy crap... goons actually caused a flood of tears that got CCP to act. just Amazing...
We're now working with Helicity for a combined Goonswarm/Hulkageddon event which will make the last few Hulkageddons look like drops in the bucket.
Remember Eygfe!
EVE Online: Incarna = New Coke. EVE Online: Winter Expansion = Coke Classic. |
lilol' me
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.10.29 21:21:00 -
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1) Remove Insurance for Concorded Ships 2) Exponential increase in standings/security hit 3) The more number 2 happens the harder you get hit. |
Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
135
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Posted - 2011.10.29 21:21:00 -
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I don't suicide gank, nor have I been ganked. As a neutral party, who in the future would probably be the one ganking, I have to say that I don't see why an insurance company would pay out claims to someone who purposely destroyed their ship. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
761
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Posted - 2011.10.29 21:37:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Rocky Deadshot wrote:holy crap... goons actually caused a flood of tears that got CCP to act. just Amazing...
We're now working with Helicity for a combined Goonswarm/Hulkageddon event which will make the last few Hulkageddons look like drops in the bucket. Thank you Mittens. This will do one of two things.
1) CCP will call your bluff and will take measures to secure highsec
OR
2) Fully support your actions and allow it to repeatedly occur.
If it does anything, it will finally inform the playerbase of how strong or weak your supposed influence is.
Once we've worked that out we can all go back to our game and guffaw or emoragequit and you can go back to playing Emperor in whatever emotional state you want to live in.
PS: I would have thought you'd wait until drone minerals were removed though. THAT would force the issue don't you think? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
253
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Posted - 2011.10.29 21:40:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:The Mittani wrote:Rocky Deadshot wrote:holy crap... goons actually caused a flood of tears that got CCP to act. just Amazing...
We're now working with Helicity for a combined Goonswarm/Hulkageddon event which will make the last few Hulkageddons look like drops in the bucket. Thank you Mittens. This will do one of two things. 1) CCP will call your bluff and will take measures to secure highsec OR 2) Fully support your actions and allow it to repeatedly occur. If it does anything, it will finally inform the playerbase of how strong or weak your supposed influence is. Once we've worked that out we can all go back to our game and guffaw or emoragequit and you can go back to playing Emperor in whatever emotional state you want to live in.
Why do you suppose those are the only two options? Not doing anything is always an option... GÇ£Status quo, you know, is Latin for 'the mess we're in.GÇ¥
~ Ronald Reagan |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
767
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Posted - 2011.10.29 21:46:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:The Apostle wrote:The Mittani wrote:Rocky Deadshot wrote:holy crap... goons actually caused a flood of tears that got CCP to act. just Amazing...
We're now working with Helicity for a combined Goonswarm/Hulkageddon event which will make the last few Hulkageddons look like drops in the bucket. Thank you Mittens. This will do one of two things. 1) CCP will call your bluff and will take measures to secure highsec OR 2) Fully support your actions and allow it to repeatedly occur. If it does anything, it will finally inform the playerbase of how strong or weak your supposed influence is. Once we've worked that out we can all go back to our game and guffaw or emoragequit and you can go back to playing Emperor in whatever emotional state you want to live in. Why do you suppose those are the only two options? Not doing anything is always an option... Which is the latter option. Support = acceptance? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
253
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Posted - 2011.10.29 22:06:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The Apostle wrote:The Mittani wrote:Rocky Deadshot wrote:holy crap... goons actually caused a flood of tears that got CCP to act. just Amazing...
We're now working with Helicity for a combined Goonswarm/Hulkageddon event which will make the last few Hulkageddons look like drops in the bucket. Thank you Mittens. This will do one of two things. 1) CCP will call your bluff and will take measures to secure highsec OR 2) Fully support your actions and allow it to repeatedly occur. If it does anything, it will finally inform the playerbase of how strong or weak your supposed influence is. Once we've worked that out we can all go back to our game and guffaw or emoragequit and you can go back to playing Emperor in whatever emotional state you want to live in. Why do you suppose those are the only two options? Not doing anything is always an option... Which is the latter option. Support = acceptance?
No. You said "Fully Support".
But i don't think the current CCP is the same "HTFU" CCP of old. What with the decshield policy change and etc.. GÇ£Status quo, you know, is Latin for 'the mess we're in.GÇ¥
~ Ronald Reagan |
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
17
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Posted - 2011.10.29 23:16:00 -
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I don't think CCP should or will intervene just because of tears. At least not unless it is taking a serious bite out of their customer retention, which I doubt it is.
But, that doesn't mean they shouldn't or won't intervene. If ganking is too easy to pull off or too hard to counter, then it needs to be rebalanced just like anything else would be. I haven't done it personally, so I can't say whether it is too easy or not, but people shouldn't just assume that any change that makes it harder to gank must neccesarily mean CCP is just reacting to tears. The whole "cold hard space" thing doesn't mean "ganking needs to be ezmode". Ganking should be a challenging profession. If it isn't, CCP should rebalance it. If it is already challenging and counterable enough, then CCP should leave it be. |
Sandviched
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.10.30 10:44:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Sandviched wrote:Hi I'm a 'pirate' I gank cause it's easy and requires no mental though... please don't make me use my brain... Ganking is an art.
lol like pirate gate camps? |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
149
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Posted - 2011.10.30 13:10:00 -
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Interesting... |
Amro One
One.
9
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Posted - 2011.10.30 15:54:00 -
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They are coming out with T2 gang link. Do I need to say more.
Yes as your all stupid, mine with a orca that has T2 ganglink to improve your tank.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
888
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:12:00 -
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If instead of buffing CONCORD, CCP actually put the effort into finally fixing the humilating joke of a bounty system that hi-sec has labored under, then players could fix their own problems.
But I suppose just trimming a few seconds off CONCORD response time is more ~fearless~ Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
19
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:23:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:If instead of buffing CONCORD, CCP actually put the effort into finally fixing the humilating joke of a bounty system that hi-sec has labored under, then players could fix their own problems.
I agreee that would be ideal, but what specifically would you change about the way it works? If you let everybody with a bounty on their heads get attacked in hi sec then the gankers could just put a 1 ISK bounty on every mining barge they saw. |
SilentSkills
Estrale Frontiers
14
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Posted - 2011.10.30 16:25:00 -
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Vachir Khan wrote:I figured it out!
Goons are doing this to force CCP's hand, but when CCP asks their Goon overlords on how to do it the answer will be "don't buff concord, buff the icemining ships instead". CCP will then buff the Mackinaws and a while later (after having had yet another "chat" with their overlords) CCP decides to move ice belts to 0.0 and specifically to Goon space. Now goons can bot mackinaws with ease on their Rifter accounts (increased tank needs less SP and isk to tank 0.0 rats).
It's all a plot you see.
holy **** where is my tinfoil hat.... |
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