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Souverainiste
Continuuum
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:17:00 -
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Hello good people,
I was bashing a POS the other day and to my surprise, the pos still had it's shield up even if it was only anchored. By shield I mean when I am firing, I have to clear all 3 bars, and not only armor + hull. NOT the actual force field.
Anchored = The structure is there, but it is not producing ANY power, has no resources inside and is basically just orbiting a moon and that's it.
Could we eventually remove 50% or 100% of it's shield so it fits some kind of law of physics that says: If you aint got no power, you aint got no defences.
It would be very appreciated and would clean up the space, removing useless POS that are sitting there unused by people that don't even play anymore :)
Best regards. |
Cade Windstalker
Donohue Enterprises Ad-Astra
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Posted - 2013.09.04 00:19:00 -
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You lost me at "mimics physics".
Also you should probably clarify that "shield" means the shield HP bar, not the POS bubble and reinforce timer. |
Ereshgikal
Pigs and Sows
10
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:00:00 -
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Souverainiste wrote: Could we eventually remove 50% or 100% of it's shield so it fits some kind of law of physics that says: If you aint got no power, you aint got no defences.
I like the idea of removing the shield HP of an offline POS, but if you look at a ship that is neuted to hell and back, it still has its shield.... so that argument doesn't stick.
I prefer the argument "so I can kill them easier". It is clear and truthful. ;) |
Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
442
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Posted - 2013.09.04 05:20:00 -
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Ereshgikal wrote:Souverainiste wrote: Could we eventually remove 50% or 100% of it's shield so it fits some kind of law of physics that says: If you aint got no power, you aint got no defences.
I like the idea of removing the shield HP of an offline POS, but if you look at a ship that is neuted to hell and back, it still has its shield.... so that argument doesn't stick. I prefer the argument "so I can kill them easier". It is clear and truthful. ;)
Ship's still have PG to work with, capacitor is used to run module functions, while powergrid is used to keep the constantly online. At least that's how I think it works I Endorse this Product and/or Service EVE Online Battle Recorder When I press F1 I get ISK |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2013.09.04 05:22:00 -
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The forcefield isn't the shield.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4046
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Posted - 2013.09.04 05:37:00 -
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You're confusing a POS Force Field (the bubble that requires fuel to keep open) with the Shields of a Control Tower.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
178
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Posted - 2013.09.04 13:47:00 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:You lost me at "mimics physics".
Also you should probably clarify that "shield" means the shield HP bar, not the POS bubble and reinforce timer. that's why he said shield and not forcefield? |
Souverainiste
Continuuum
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Posted - 2013.09.05 22:59:00 -
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I am not confusing anything here.
I DO mean the SHIELD. The POS is in hibernation mode (not online) thus should not have its shield up. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4056
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Posted - 2013.09.06 02:47:00 -
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Souverainiste wrote:I am not confusing anything here.
I DO mean the SHIELD. The POS is in hibernation mode (not online) thus should not have its shield up.
Everything else keeps their shield HP when Anchored but offline, why should POSes be different?
Being Online affects a POS's ability to provide a protective Force Field and to use modules (as well as the resistances of those modules), not its HP.
Oh, and
Souverainiste wrote:not producing ANY power
[Citation Needed] "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Sigras
Conglomo
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Posted - 2013.09.06 06:30:00 -
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does that mean that sov structures dont produce any power either? This makes no sense. |
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ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2013.09.07 14:32:00 -
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if the tower is offline so is it's reactor. if it isnt burning guel blocks neither it's PG or CPU is on. I would support this change as it would make clearing away derelict towers much easier |
Souverainiste
Continuuum
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Posted - 2013.09.09 23:14:00 -
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ExookiZ wrote:if the tower is offline so is it's reactor. if it isnt burning guel blocks neither it's PG or CPU is on. I would support this change as it would make clearing away derelict towers much easier
There. Clearing abandonned POS in high sec is a pain due to ship restrictions. This change would make it easier to remove these structures and would make sense since the tower, out of fuel, doesnt have enough energy to power up it's shield.
Sov structures DO NOT use any form of fuel so it is not comparable. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:01:00 -
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I think if a POS is offline you should be able to bump, tractor or otherwise move it away. "Hey, where'd our POS go?" I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Tomas Brandhart
PillowFighters Inc
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:32:00 -
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I agree to the removal of the shield buffer on offline POS that are just anchored in space. It makes no sense that it should have a shield buffer on it when its offline and just anchored in space. Tbh it anoy`s the **** out of ppl that try to remove it, especially in highsec where u cannot call in caps to burn it down fast and need hours after hours to destroy it
Id like to see some changes on POS and structures in general when it comes to Offline pos structures and Online ones |
Souverainiste
Continuuum
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:22:00 -
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Tomas Brandhart wrote:I agree to the removal of the shield buffer on offline POS that are just anchored in space. It makes no sense that it should have a shield buffer on it when its offline and just anchored in space. Tbh it anoy`s the **** out of ppl that try to remove it, especially in highsec where u cannot call in caps to burn it down fast and need hours after hours to destroy it Id like to see some changes on POS and structures in general when it comes to Offline pos structures and Online ones
Exactly the point. Both objectives would be met: Logically, a machine can not work without power, even less produce a shield, and convenience for players trying to remove an abandonned tower to actually use theirs. |
HTC NecoSino
TriFlexure Void-Legion
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:32:00 -
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Let's just remove ownership from offline towers and let people scoop them. |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
129
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:33:00 -
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Offline POS explodes after 1 Week. |
nerdman234
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:10:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote: Everything else keeps their shield HP when Anchored but offline, why should POSes be different?
Because not everything else has tens of millions of HP and bases resists.
One possible solution is to make the forcefield itself the shield. This means missiles/ rounds will hit it and not pass through the forcefield. Yes, I'm aware that it doesn't work that way because of (insert lore reference here) and (insert RL physics comparison here), but it's always bothered me that my missiles just fly through the shield and and hit the structure, ignoring anything they pass through. I feel it would also look pretty neat to see missiles/ rounds hit the shield.
Note: I am aware that using the POS tower as the target means that dreads can't rub up to 0 on the POS and punch holes. I think the part you target should still be the POS tower and the effect would be graphical only. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2061
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:33:00 -
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Better idea. Let's require fuel blocks for our spaceships to work at all.
That way OP's starbases and everything else is the same. Fuel blocks for everything! Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Kirtar Makanen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:47:00 -
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nerdman234 wrote:RubyPorto wrote: Everything else keeps their shield HP when Anchored but offline, why should POSes be different?
Because not everything else has tens of millions of HP and bases resists. SBUs have ten million shield HP with 50% resists. Ihubs have 75 million, though without base resists. TCUs, which have the least EHP of the sovereignty structures have 10 million shield HP without any base resists. |
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4094
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:53:00 -
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nerdman234 wrote:RubyPorto wrote: Everything else keeps their shield HP when Anchored but offline, why should POSes be different?
Because not everything else has tens of millions of HP and bases resists.
Most anchored structures do.
In HS, grab some Oracles (or Geddons or Domis) and go AFK for a little while and you're done. Elsewhere, grab a Dread and you're done.
There is very little likelihood of any meaningful defense in either case (in HS, if there were going to be a defense, they'd online the POS, giving you what some call "a clue" to their intentions) because the notification that the POS is under attack will be followed shortly by the notification that it's been destroyed.
If you're not willing to put in the effort to shoot an undefended structure once, you clearly don't want the moon. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
68
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:17:00 -
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Maybe the POS as a small closed water circuit nuclear reactor that doesn't need to be fueled often (like 10+ years), and that powers the shield generators when it is offline.
Just a possibility of why it is the way it is. I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart. |
Souverainiste
Continuuum
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Posted - 2013.09.12 06:57:00 -
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Kirtar Makanen wrote:nerdman234 wrote:RubyPorto wrote: Everything else keeps their shield HP when Anchored but offline, why should POSes be different?
Because not everything else has tens of millions of HP and bases resists. SBUs have ten million shield HP with 50% resists. Ihubs have 75 million, though without base resists. TCUs, which have the least EHP of the sovereignty structures have 10 million shield HP without any base resists.
Because those are structures only present in null, which means you can bash it with dreads, it was not intended to be possibly bashed alone. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4101
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Posted - 2013.09.12 07:02:00 -
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Souverainiste wrote:Because those are structures only present in null, which means you can bash it with dreads, it was not intended to be possibly bashed alone.
In HS, you must declare war on a POS owners corp to bash it, meaning that your corpmates should help you. In other words, neither were POSes. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Kirtar Makanen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:12:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Souverainiste wrote:Because those are structures only present in null, which means you can bash it with dreads, it was not intended to be possibly bashed alone. In HS, you must declare war on a POS owners corp to bash it, meaning that your corpmates should help you. In other words, neither were POSes. Don't forget that in pre-dominion sovereignty mechanics, POSes were the determining factor for sovereignty, so they are almost certainly not meant to be bashed alone. Besides you can bash lowsec towers with dreads, so the use of dreads is a bad argument.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2605
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:48:00 -
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Rather than alter their shields, how about we simply advocate a method of reclaiming an offline tower.
Call it the Reclamation Processor:
Target tower that is offline, start tower reclamation processor. 20 minutes to cycle. If the tower has stront in it, at the end of the cycle the tower enters RF until the stront runs out. If the tower doesn't have stront, it reverts to an unanchored state, and anyone can scoop it. This is an agressive action, and you will lose sec status (in empire space) and even be concorded if you don't have an active wardec with the corp owning the POS. It also will generate a "POS is under attack" notification to all Corp members with the appropriate role.
This a.) Requires time to implment, an you can't wardec instantly. b.) Provides a window to address the offline POS as long as you have stront in it. c.) Gives the "POS reclaimer" a reward for removing the space trash.
Everyone wins, and no one loses (except people that use offline POS's to "save moon locations" in highsec).
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bloodknight2
Talledega Knights PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
262
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Posted - 2013.09.13 01:20:00 -
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Once a POS goes offline, it lose 10% of his shield HP every week. If a POS is offline for more than 10 weeks, the shield die. |
Souverainiste
Continuuum
48
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Posted - 2013.09.13 16:53:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Rather than alter their shields, how about we simply advocate a method of reclaiming an offline tower.
Call it the Reclamation Processor:
Target tower that is offline, start tower reclamation processor. 20 minutes to cycle. If the tower has stront in it, at the end of the cycle the tower enters RF until the stront runs out. If the tower doesn't have stront, it reverts to an unanchored state, and anyone can scoop it. This is an agressive action, and you will lose sec status (in empire space) and even be concorded if you don't have an active wardec with the corp owning the POS. It also will generate a "POS is under attack" notification to all Corp members with the appropriate role.
This a.) Requires time to implment, an you can't wardec instantly. b.) Provides a window to address the offline POS as long as you have stront in it. c.) Gives the "POS reclaimer" a reward for removing the space trash.
Everyone wins, and no one loses (except people that use offline POS's to "save moon locations" in highsec).
I truly love that idea, that would be sweet! |
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