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Desimus Maximus
Substandard Coalition
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:00:00 -
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So another screwover by CCP? According to the patch notes the Bestower will now out haul the Itty V.. Meaning that for a second patch in a row, those of us who spent a month skilling for the Itty V are getting screwed again.
This is bullshit. |
That Seems Legit
State War Academy Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:03:00 -
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gallente have 5 industrials. Is there anything else you'd like to cry about? Damns - you're ugly - and that's a compliment from me. -Large Collidable Object Seeking donations for facial reconstructive surgery, every little bit helps! |
Desimus Maximus
Substandard Coalition
22
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:04:00 -
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That Seems Legit wrote:gallente have 5 industrials. Is there anything else you'd like to cry about? Ya, being forced to skill into another ******* indy V |
That Seems Legit
State War Academy Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:05:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:That Seems Legit wrote:gallente have 5 industrials. Is there anything else you'd like to cry about? Ya, being forced to skill into another ******* indy V No ones forcing you to do anything. Damns - you're ugly - and that's a compliment from me. -Large Collidable Object Seeking donations for facial reconstructive surgery, every little bit helps! |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4049
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:07:00 -
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There has been discussion about this change for a decent length of time: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=252819&find=unread
Part of playing the game is either reading the forums to her about what changes are coming down the line, or accepting that your favourite playstyle will inevitably be nerfed.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
45thtiger 0109
The Mockers AO
11
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:08:00 -
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That Seems Legit wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:That Seems Legit wrote:gallente have 5 industrials. Is there anything else you'd like to cry about? Ya, being forced to skill into another ******* indy V No ones forcing you to do anything.
LOL agreed with the above quote. I am not a CCP employee-ájust having a input in the EvE forum
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Desimus Maximus
Substandard Coalition
22
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:13:00 -
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Congratulations. you win the internet argument. I give up. Despite the blatant finger to players from CCP 2 patches in a row. If you enjoy constantly having your time wasted (i.e. month of skilling for Itty V) without fair compensation that's your prerogative. |
Adacia Calla
Nubs. No Effin' Clue
43
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:22:00 -
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I've had Minmatar Indy 5 for a hair over 7 years. I've never felt compelled to train Gallente Indy 5 as well. Test signature....forum not applying settings :( |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1367
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:22:00 -
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The Iteron mark V has not lost one square metre of cargo space. How is this a screwover? You can carry just as much as you've always been able to. Why should you get compensation? |
Baggo Hammers
62
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:24:00 -
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As noted the patch changes related to your ship were announced in June. If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. |
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2017
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:29:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:The Iteron mark V has not lost one square metre of cargo space. How is this a screwover? You can carry just as much as you've always been able to. Why should you get compensation? This.^
I may skill into a Bestower... Or I may not. My Ity-V still moves my fuel blocks up into the WH as well as ever. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
416
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:44:00 -
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Wait a sec, you need Gal indy 5 to fly an itty 5? Did something change? I swear I've been tootling around in an itty5, with gal Indy 2 trained... Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force
1175
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:46:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Wait a sec, you need Gal indy 5 to fly an itty 5? Did something change? I swear I've been tootling around in an itty5, with gal Indy 2 trained...
The number of the Iteron corresponds to the skill level you need to fly it. It's always been this way. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1469
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:51:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:The Iteron mark V has not lost one square metre of cargo space. How is this a screwover? You can carry just as much as you've always been able to. Why should you get compensation?
Not true. But then again, the difference isn't enough to complain about, IMO.
The OP's complaint is, however, valid in that it's a symptom of a larger problem. That problem is CCP's shell game of ship stat and skill requirement changes in the guise of an "expansion". HTFU!...for the children! |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
416
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:52:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Wait a sec, you need Gal indy 5 to fly an itty 5? Did something change? I swear I've been tootling around in an itty5, with gal Indy 2 trained... The number of the Iteron corresponds to the skill level you need to fly it. It's always been this way.
You might wanna check the reqs on an Itty 5 then. My hauler alt has Gallente Industrial 1, and flys an Itty 5 around.
According to E-Uni You need Gall Indy 1 and Spaceship command 3 to fly it. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force
1175
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:54:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Wait a sec, you need Gal indy 5 to fly an itty 5? Did something change? I swear I've been tootling around in an itty5, with gal Indy 2 trained... The number of the Iteron corresponds to the skill level you need to fly it. It's always been this way. You might wanna check the reqs on an Itty 5 then. My hauler alt has Gallente Industrial 1, and flys an Itty 5 around. According to E-Uni You need Gall Indy 1 and Spaceship command 3 to fly it.
My apologies, it appears I am mistaken. I could of sworn it was the other way around. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
229
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:56:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Wait a sec, you need Gal indy 5 to fly an itty 5? Did something change? I swear I've been tootling around in an itty5, with gal Indy 2 trained... The number of the Iteron corresponds to the skill level you need to fly it. It's always been this way. You might wanna check the reqs on an Itty 5 then. My hauler alt has Gallente Industrial 1, and flys an Itty 5 around. According to E-Uni You need Gall Indy 1 and Spaceship command 3 to fly it. My apologies, it appears I am mistaken. I could of sworn it was the other way around.
Recent patch changes reduce prerequisite training. |
Sir Substance
I N E X T R E M I S Gentlemen's Agreement
601
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Posted - 2013.09.04 02:57:00 -
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Adacia Calla wrote:I've had Minmatar Indy 5 for a hair over 7 years. I've never felt compelled to train Gallente Indy 5 as well.
I have all of them, along with every other subcap.
Nerfproof, the only way to go. Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
782
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:01:00 -
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No, they are not kidding. Now there is *gasp* actually a reason to have any other racial hauler skill. What a crime, right? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4049
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:18:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Wait a sec, you need Gal indy 5 to fly an itty 5? Did something change? I swear I've been tootling around in an itty5, with gal Indy 2 trained... The number of the Iteron corresponds to the skill level you need to fly it. It's always been this way.
The industrials all required level 1 of their respective skills from about June: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/week-in-life-iteron-mark-v.html Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
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Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
300
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:21:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote: ... My apologies, it appears I am mistaken. I could of sworn it was the other way around.
No apology should be required - you *asked* if something had changed. Yes there was a change - down grading requirements. Now the ship is being adjusted and max capacity is being reduced (not a lot but it *MAY* harm some types of "excessive load" hauling.)
Mr Kidd wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:The Iteron mark V has not lost one square metre of cargo space. How is this a screwover? You can carry just as much as you've always been able to. Why should you get compensation? Not true. But then again, the difference isn't enough to complain about, IMO. The OP's complaint is, however, valid in that it's a symptom of a larger problem. That problem is CCP's shell game of ship stat and skill requirement changes in the guise of an "expansion".
I don't agree with you often but I do on this point.
EVE, for years on end, held value for what you flew. Having a rigged Tristan from 2004 - it was still a rigged tristan in 2010 - a ship fit the way you'd done it and your skills were still as viable and useful flying it as they were in 2004 (just "large" rigs on a frigate hull when they added different rig sizes).
With changes, that hull no longer fits the same weapons and such. Many changes to ships have reduced or flat out made dunsel skills to fit & fly ships and this goes across the spectrum from smallest to the largest.
Change may be good in many ways but there are dangers of ending up with the old "chase the carrot" gear-chase of other games creeping in as they flip-flop and toggle things around. It is something to watch out for - especially coupled with the "nef -> buff -> nerf" mix tossed on the stack. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4050
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:49:00 -
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Destroyers, carriers, supercarriers, cruisers and other ships have over the years all had slots rearranged. This is not a new thing. Rebalancing is not a "shell game" it is aimed at encouraging diversity in ships flown in combat and the fittings used on those ships. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
782
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:51:00 -
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Quote:EVE, for years on end, held value for what you flew. Having a rigged Tristan from 2004 - it was still a rigged tristan in 2010 - a ship fit the way you'd done it and your skills were still as viable and useful flying it as they were in 2004 (just "large" rigs on a frigate hull when they added different rig sizes).
With changes, that hull no longer fits the same weapons and such. Many changes to ships have reduced or flat out made dunsel skills to fit & fly ships and this goes across the spectrum from smallest to the largest.
Stuff changed over the course of 6 years, who'd have thunk it?
"My Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros isn't the best weapon in the game anymore?! WTF Blizz!!" Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Desimus Maximus
Substandard Coalition
22
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:56:00 -
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For those who have played EvE for less than 3 months. Yes, it is a fact, the Iteron V required Gallente industrial V. From beginning to end, this was damn well near a full month of skilling. Now it is 33 min. This ensured that you would be flying the highest capacity sub-cap industrial in the game. Now, to get that same return on investment, to fly the highest capacity in game you will have to skill for Amarr Industrial V. That entire month of skilling for a purpose has been literally erased. CCP has effectively taken my 30 days of game time I invested in for a specific purpose and they have said, "Hey, **** you, we're taking this away from you."
If you can't see anything wrong with that then I can't help you.
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Oggat
The Adam's Family
26
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Posted - 2013.09.04 04:01:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:For those who have played EvE for less than 3 months. Yes, it is a fact, the Iteron V required Gallente industrial V. From beginning to end, this was damn well near a full month of skilling. This ensured that you would be flying the highest capacity sub-cap industrial in the game. Now, to get that same return on investment, to fly the highest capacity in game you will have to skill for Amarr Industrial V. That entire month of skilling for a purpose has been literally erased. CCP has effectively taken my 30 days of game time I invested in for a specific purpose and they have said, "Hey, **** you, we're taking this away from you."
If you can't see anything wrong with that then I can't help you.
You used to need Smartbomb to 5 to use a doomsday, You used to need Battleship to 5 to fly a Carrier or Dread You used to need racial Industrial 5 to fly a freighter
And you guys picked now to uprise?
Serious? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
782
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Posted - 2013.09.04 04:03:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:For those who have played EvE for less than 3 months. Yes, it is a fact, the Iteron V required Gallente industrial V. From beginning to end, this was damn well near a full month of skilling. This ensured that you would be flying the highest capacity sub-cap industrial in the game. Now, to get that same return on investment, to fly the highest capacity in game you will have to skill for Amarr Industrial V. That entire month of skilling for a purpose has been literally erased. CCP has effectively taken my 30 days of game time I invested in for a specific purpose and they have said, "Hey, **** you, we're taking this away from you."
If you can't see anything wrong with that then I can't help you.
Utterly dishonest statement.
"The same return on investment" is that the same ship, the Itty V, has the same cargo capacity, and is just as easy to get into now as it has been for several months.
Same timeframe, same return.
But now something else is slightly better. Before, it was far and away the verybestuberawesome hauler. Now, there is actually a reason to use any other racial hauler.
If you see something wrong with that, then I can't help you. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Desimus Maximus
Substandard Coalition
22
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Posted - 2013.09.04 04:07:00 -
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Mocam wrote:[quote=Fredfredbug4] ...
Change may be good in many ways but there are dangers of ending up with the old "chase the carrot" gear-chase of other games creeping in as they flip-flop and toggle things around. It is something to watch out for - especially coupled with the "nef -> buff -> nerf" mix tossed on the stack.
This is the WoW model. They mix it up with the intention of effectively forcing you to extend your subscription just to stay on par. They make a change and suddenly your gear and/or class drop in item level and effectiveness. Is EvE becoming World of Warcraft?
I'm aware nobody is forcing me to do anything. So please, stop with the technical stupidity. |
Desimus Maximus
Substandard Coalition
22
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Posted - 2013.09.04 04:10:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:For those who have played EvE for less than 3 months. Yes, it is a fact, the Iteron V required Gallente industrial V. From beginning to end, this was damn well near a full month of skilling. This ensured that you would be flying the highest capacity sub-cap industrial in the game. Now, to get that same return on investment, to fly the highest capacity in game you will have to skill for Amarr Industrial V. That entire month of skilling for a purpose has been literally erased. CCP has effectively taken my 30 days of game time I invested in for a specific purpose and they have said, "Hey, **** you, we're taking this away from you."
If you can't see anything wrong with that then I can't help you. Utterly dishonest statement. "The same return on investment" is that the same ship, the Itty V, has the same cargo capacity, and is just as easy to get into now as it has been for several months. Same timeframe, same return. But now something else is slightly better. Before, it was far and away the verybestuberawesome hauler. Now, there is actually a reason to use any other racial hauler. If you see something wrong with that, then I can't help you.
Getting into the ship is not the point. It's maximizing the effectiveness, this is what most noobs don't understand. Tell me the difference in cargo space between Amarr Industrial I and V. I think you might want to rethink a few things. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
783
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Posted - 2013.09.04 04:13:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Mocam wrote:[quote=Fredfredbug4] ...
Change may be good in many ways but there are dangers of ending up with the old "chase the carrot" gear-chase of other games creeping in as they flip-flop and toggle things around. It is something to watch out for - especially coupled with the "nef -> buff -> nerf" mix tossed on the stack. This is the WoW model. They mix it up with the intention of effectively forcing you to extend your subscription just to stay on par. They make a change and suddenly your gear and/or class drop in item level and effectiveness. Is EvE becoming World of Warcraft? I'm aware nobody is forcing me to do anything. So please, stop with the technical stupidity.
So, it's a giant scheme to make you keep paying your sub (which, presumably you are doing anyway) because some part of you throws a pouty fit if you don't have the very best #1 performance T1 hauler in the game?
Or is it, you know, they finally realized it was utterly absurd to have only one decently good hauler in the game (and eff you if you chose a race besides Gallente), and decided to do some game balance, which is literally what we pay them for?
Which of these seems like the more logical possibility to you? Take off the tinfoil hat and undies before you think about it, please. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Desimus Maximus
Substandard Coalition
22
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Posted - 2013.09.04 04:13:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:For those who have played EvE for less than 3 months. Yes, it is a fact, the Iteron V required Gallente industrial V. From beginning to end, this was damn well near a full month of skilling. This ensured that you would be flying the highest capacity sub-cap industrial in the game. Now, to get that same return on investment, to fly the highest capacity in game you will have to skill for Amarr Industrial V. That entire month of skilling for a purpose has been literally erased. CCP has effectively taken my 30 days of game time I invested in for a specific purpose and they have said, "Hey, **** you, we're taking this away from you."
If you can't see anything wrong with that then I can't help you. Utterly dishonest statement. "The same return on investment" is that the same ship, the Itty V, has the same cargo capacity, and is just as easy to get into now as it has been for several months. Same timeframe, same return. But now something else is slightly better. Before, it was far and away the verybestuberawesome hauler. Now, there is actually a reason to use any other racial hauler. If you see something wrong with that, then I can't help you.
Here is what we call information. You find it by doing what is called research.
From the Patch Notes:
BESTOWER: Cargo (capacity / capacity with max expanders, t1 expander rigs and all 5 skills): 4800 / 39201m3.
ITERON V: Cargo (capacity / capacity with max expanders, t1 expander rigs and all 5 skills): 5800(-200) / 37152m3
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