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Vuuko Kusoni
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:48:00 -
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Recently, I was lucky to find a Wormhole during scanning the area, but I heard some nasty things about entering unprepared. So I left in hangar most valuable items from my ship and took only scanning probes with me. After I got in, it looked normal. Nothing attacked, so I started to scan. When I found some gas site and warped to it, I had to immediately warp out, due to hostile ships attacking me. Back to safe location, started to scan again. And while I had my map opened, something destroyed me. I didn't even have a chance to look at my ambusher and my screen went white. I am just curious (because I didn't come back for my corpse) is there a way to check if I was killed by a Sleeper or another player? |
Cannibal Kane
My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse Break-A-Wish Foundation
2321
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:55:00 -
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You were killed by another person.
http://kane.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19498166
You can check your own combat record under your character sheet under the losses tab. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Vuuko Kusoni
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:08:00 -
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Ahh crap, bastard came out of nowhere and took me down. Thanks to Your link I know that I didn't put my items in to hangar... At least I know what to buy. |
voetius
L V B Industries STELLAR CONSTELLATION
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:41:00 -
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Wormhole local channel only displays people when they speak in the channel and not be default as in other areas of space.
Kudos for just jumping in and giving it a try :)
There is a pdf that you should be able to find with google called Everything Wormhole that should tell you pretty much anything a newer player could want to know about wormholes. |
Vuuko Kusoni
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:55:00 -
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voetius wrote: Wormhole local channel only displays people when they speak in the channel and not be default as in other areas of space.
Kudos for just jumping in and giving it a try :)
There is a pdf that you should be able to find with google called Everything Wormhole that should tell you pretty much anything a newer player could want to know about wormholes.
Wow, nice WH compendium knowledge. Thank You very much. It's study time! |
Emily Anasarsy
Reverse Engineering LTD
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Posted - 2013.09.04 10:02:00 -
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Also, when in a WH always run a 360 max range DScan.
I explored my first WH the other day also, luckily in a cloaked ship. Got in, done some scans and within a few minutes a Drake was on my tail, as I had decloaked because I was so close to the WH entrance. I hopped back through before he even got a lock. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
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Posted - 2013.09.04 10:45:00 -
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Dscaning in a WH will only warn you about silly people. Yea there are some. But the hunters in WH space tends to be a lot of Covert ops types. They don't show up on dscan till they are ready to kill you. Stabs can be your friend.
If you are at a safe, they would need to scan you down and so have a chance to see combat probes on the dscan. |
Vuuko Kusoni
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.04 10:51:00 -
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Right, so DScan is useful thing. But can You tell me, is there something like deviation for DScan? I mean if I run the 360 DScan, would it be less accurate than 90 degree DScan? |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.04 11:21:00 -
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if you set it to 360 degrees and max range, dscan will show everything within 14AU distance. if you limit the angle it will show you only things that are in a cone around the center of your screen. for example, if you want to see what is going on at a certain planet, you move your camera so that the planet in question is in the middle of your screen, set the angle to 30 degrees or less and hit scan.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Vuuko Kusoni
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.04 11:24:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:if you set it to 360 degrees and max range, dscan will show everything within 14AU distance. if you limit the angle it will show you only things that are in a cone around the center of your screen. for example, if you want to see what is going on at a certain planet, you move your camera so that the planet in question is in the middle of your screen, set the angle to 30 degrees or less and hit scan.
Thank You very much. |
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Ned Taggart
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.09.04 13:20:00 -
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I have recently taken up residence in our corps Wormhole Campus, and I can assure you nothing breaks up the tedium of running sleeper site or scanning down a chain more than picking up an unauthorized (read that as "Not with us") ship on dscan. We will hunt you down and kill you. If you see another ship on grid, you are already dead.
I personally find wormhole life one of the more enjoyable experiences in the game, so I highly encourage you to keep going into them, Just make sure you can afford to lose your ship and pod. In looking at your ships fit, you had a probe launcher, so that is good, but at minimum, you need a cloak on it as well. |
Vuuko Kusoni
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.04 13:42:00 -
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Ned Taggart wrote:I have recently taken up residence in our corps Wormhole Campus, and I can assure you nothing breaks up the tedium of running sleeper site or scanning down a chain more than picking up an unauthorized (read that as "Not with us") ship on dscan. We will hunt you down and kill you. If you see another ship on grid, you are already dead.
I personally find wormhole life one of the more enjoyable experiences in the game, so I highly encourage you to keep going into them, Just make sure you can afford to lose your ship and pod. In looking at your ships fit, you had a probe launcher, so that is good, but at minimum, you need a cloak on it as well.
You're not actually encouraging me:) If You would be cloaked as well, I won't be able to see You through DScan, will I? So without cloak on me, I'd better not go into WH, cause I will never be 100% sure, if some of You aren't hunting us, lone explorers, hidden under cloak? |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1412
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Posted - 2013.09.04 13:55:00 -
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Vuuko Kusoni wrote:Ned Taggart wrote:I have recently taken up residence in our corps Wormhole Campus, and I can assure you nothing breaks up the tedium of running sleeper site or scanning down a chain more than picking up an unauthorized (read that as "Not with us") ship on dscan. We will hunt you down and kill you. If you see another ship on grid, you are already dead.
I personally find wormhole life one of the more enjoyable experiences in the game, so I highly encourage you to keep going into them, Just make sure you can afford to lose your ship and pod. In looking at your ships fit, you had a probe launcher, so that is good, but at minimum, you need a cloak on it as well. You're not actually encouraging me:) If You would be cloaked as well, I won't be able to see You through DScan, will I? So without cloak on me, I'd better not go into WH, cause I will never be 100% sure, if some of You aren't hunting us, lone explorers, hidden under cloak? there are two types of cloak, the 'normal' one and the so called covert ops cloak. only the covert ops cloak allows you to warp while cloaked and it cannot be fit to most ships. but. among the ships that can use the covops cloak and thus warp to you without appearing on your dscan are stealth bomber frigates. the purifier that killed you is one of them.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Ned Taggart
EVE University Ivy League
39
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Posted - 2013.09.04 14:03:00 -
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Vuuko Kusoni wrote:Ned Taggart wrote:I have recently taken up residence in our corps Wormhole Campus, and I can assure you nothing breaks up the tedium of running sleeper site or scanning down a chain more than picking up an unauthorized (read that as "Not with us") ship on dscan. We will hunt you down and kill you. If you see another ship on grid, you are already dead.
I personally find wormhole life one of the more enjoyable experiences in the game, so I highly encourage you to keep going into them, Just make sure you can afford to lose your ship and pod. In looking at your ships fit, you had a probe launcher, so that is good, but at minimum, you need a cloak on it as well. You're not actually encouraging me:) If You would be cloaked as well, I won't be able to see You through DScan, will I? So without cloak on me, I'd better not go into WH, cause I will never be 100% sure, if some of You aren't hunting us, lone explorers, hidden under cloak?
I'm not trying to discourage you. But you are correct, you won't be 100% sure you aren't being watched.
There are steps you can take to determine if its safe to attempt to explore the WH. First you want to use dscan and see if there are any ships. If there is a fleet working it, they won't be cloaked.
Next use dscan to find and locate any POS's. if there is a POS there with a forcefield active, then you can assume its an owned system.
Then, if you are satisfied that it is quiet enough of a wormhole that you want to stay, you might launch probes and start scanning down signatures. be aware that the second you launch probes, you have announced your presence.
Also, be aware that relic and data sites in w-space contain sleepers, so you will need to be able to fight them off.
In all seriousness, for a WH to be financially viable, you will need a team. If however, you want to jump in one and see how far down the bunnyhole you can go, then that is certainly something you can do solo. You might be able to find a nice one and sell the discovery to someone looking for a specific type of WH.
Check here for more on the basics of scouting a WH. |
Riel Saigo
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.09.04 15:15:00 -
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Gas sites in wormholes spawn NPC rats known as Sleepers. The Sleepers make it impossible for a newb to do much in a wormhole until you get to battlecruiser level. And even then, I'd only try to solo stuff in C1s and C2s. But the Sleepers are on a timer for gas sites. I think it's 15 minutes or so. So you can theoretically, warp in with a Venture and harvest all the gas you can before the Sleepers show up. It's about the only thing you can do solo in a wormhole at this point (Sleepers even infest hacking sites in wormholes).
The fact that you were shot at when you warped into the gas site meant that someone ELSE had been there already - probably recently.
Wormhole corps have scanning down all signatures in their home systems and any systems that happens to be connected today as part of their daily chores. It's second-nature for them. A popular routine for gas sites is to scan them down, and then have the scanning ship warp to each gas site to start the timer on the Sleepers. Then the corp can throw together a task force to kill them at their leisure. Salvaging and looting Sleeper wrecks is a big money-maker for wormhole corps, sometimes they'll ignore the gas completely. Or sometimes they'll farm the Sleepers and then have their own industrialists clear the gas sites in peace over the next day or two.
If I'd warped into a gas field in a wormhole and found the Sleepers already there, that would have been a big tipoff to me that either:
a) the wormhole is occupied and the corp activated this site to do an op in the near future; or b) the corp that activated the site is sitting in a system through one of the wormhole exits
Either way, it's a danger-sign that you're being watched. It's possible that the site could have been activated by a random solo player like yourself. But you can't rule out possibilities "a" and "b". I would have been really paranoid that cloaky ships were camping all the system exits.
In a wormhole corp, everyone flies around in cloaked ships. Covert ops ships can even warp around while cloaked and are one of the go-to ships for wormhole dwellers. Stealth bombers are really popular too for camping exits - since they can scout decently while cloaked, and gank targets of opportunity at the same time.
The least you should do before exploring wormholes is train up your cloaking skill and buy yourself a basic cloak for your frigate. That way you can warp to a random planet (never a moon - those can have player owned stations on them that will shoot you), launch your probes, and then cloak up while you do your scanning work safely. You should also configure your D-scan to show player-owned structures as well as player ships, set the thing to 360 degrees and max range and hit it constantly.
But honestly, I'd recommend messing around in lowsec instead of a wormhole. There's more for a newb to do in lowsec space.
You can still use wormholes. But primarily you're going to use them as shortcuts to high security space - past the lowsec gatecamps - so you can sell your loot. |
Trudeaux Margaret
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
138
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Posted - 2013.09.04 15:26:00 -
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I'll simply add to the piles of excellent advice -- add Cloaking and eventually, Covert Ops, to your long-term skill plan. Basic cloaking doesn't take very long to train and it gives you a very nice advantage on its own; but the advantages that come with being able to move freely, warp, etc while cloaked are gigantic, and not just in wormholes.
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Vuuko Kusoni
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.04 19:01:00 -
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Alright, it cleared my point of view about covert-ops. But I have another question. Is there any skills, which allow player to detect cloaked ship? Probes perhaps? |
Kharaxus
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.09.04 20:08:00 -
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Vuuko Kusoni wrote:Alright, it cleared my point of view about covert-ops. But I have another question. Is there any skills, which allow player to detect cloaked ship? Probes perhaps?
You can't find a cloaked ship when it is cloaked.
If you have your probes out, then you cloak up, your ship will be cloaked but your probes wont be.
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Riel Saigo
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
25
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Posted - 2013.09.04 20:36:00 -
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For more information on cloaking - read this article:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Cloaking |
Vuuko Kusoni
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.09.05 13:30:00 -
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Very good explanation about cloaking, thanks. With enough time to skill up, ISK funds and practice time I can really become invisible and practically 100% safe at almost every situation. |
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Kharaxus
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2013.09.05 16:40:00 -
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Cloaking (covert ops cloaking), or any of them really..... = LUCRATIVE
Either you harvest tears because people can't undock from stations in dangerous areas until you leave, or you simply wait for a target to pop up and "take the bait"........
I was looking around for a video and can't find it. A Manticore with a cloaky, using rockets to kill explorers in low/null sec space. The thing was the Manticore was waiting next to hack-able containers for people to start hacking.....then he'd uncloak, pulse AB/MWD, lock target, and fire his rockets....... the explorer would be so absorbed in the hacking....... the Manticore could get it all done and kill the explorer before the explorer knew what was happening. Big rewards versus little risk. |
Ned Taggart
EVE University Ivy League
43
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Posted - 2013.09.05 16:52:00 -
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Kharaxus wrote:Cloaking (covert ops cloaking), or any of them really..... = LUCRATIVE
Either you harvest tears because people can't undock from stations in dangerous areas until you leave, or you simply wait for a target to pop up and "take the bait"........
I was looking around for a video and can't find it. A Manticore with a cloaky, using rockets to kill explorers in low/null sec space. The thing was the Manticore was waiting next to hack-able containers for people to start hacking.....then he'd uncloak, pulse AB/MWD, lock target, and fire his rockets....... the explorer would be so absorbed in the hacking....... the Manticore could get it all done and kill the explorer before the explorer knew what was happening. Big rewards versus little risk.
I need to try that sometime. |
Riel Saigo
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
36
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Posted - 2013.09.05 18:00:00 -
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Given how relatively low hacking loot sells for, I kind of doubt killing Herons in low sec is incredibly lucrative. |
Kharaxus
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2013.09.05 18:06:00 -
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Riel Saigo wrote:Given how relatively low hacking loot sells for, I kind of doubt killing Herons in low sec is incredibly lucrative.
Hehe.......its not the ship, its the sisters scanner they put on the ships. Along with anything else in the cargo hold. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
bad touches
210
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Posted - 2013.09.06 19:47:00 -
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Just search JohnnyPew's youtube channel and you'll find the stealth bomber fit used to hunt explorers.
OP to be honest there isn't a lot yyou can do inside a wh at your skill level. You can't run any of the sites because you can't handle the sleepers. You need to find some wh friends and hang with them, or try the lowsec thing like a prev poster said. I have 5 different chars that I play. This may be my main, or maybe not. I have no idea. |
Daros Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.09.07 21:04:00 -
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Some very good points were by the other posters before me so i'll try to summarise a bit and add a few resources without repeating too much:
-WH area has a rather steep skill point barier, as in you need to be in a ship that can warp cloaked :Stealth bomber, recon ships (rapier pilgrim arazu falcon) or a strategic cruiser with covert subsystem).
-you can fly regular ships but you are at permanent danger of being atacked unless you live there and have a pos to "safe up" and catch your breath
-never EVER talk in local (WH local is on delayed, as was already said, you only show up if you talk. you could be the only one in local or there could be 100 more with you)
-learn to use the DSCAN, it is your friend. check this short but usefull guide on hunting with the dscan http://imsdemons.pvp101.net/p/hunting-101-directional-scanner.html
-be very carefull, probes can be seen on dscan even if you are in a cloaked ship, your probes are not cloaked (if you start scanning people there will know someone is active and the first instinct in a wh is to find and kill the intruder)
-if you will want to do some hunting of your own in WH do not use combat probes unless they are the last alternative: first try to find using dscan, after that try regular probes, they might be at a sig, if that fails and the target is not at a pos it uses a safe spot so you need combat probes to find. A nice video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzkjhcvidi4
-always check first to see if the WH is active: a nice site called static mapper http://www.staticmapper.com/ (i'm sure there are other similar site just as or more usefull but you can stat with this) can tell you the number of NPC or player ships/pods killed in the last 48h. just use the site from the in game browser and type in the search bar the "name" of the WH : like J123445
Remember all the tips about dscan and probes are usefull to know even if you don't intend to do the hunting because they are 100% used against you. A good wh hunter will be on top of you without probes just by dscan if you give him the chance.
I hope you will not find this intimidating, get a cloaky ship (a stealth bomber or cov ops frig is a nice start because they don't require THAT much of a skill point investment) and spend a day in WHs, move from one to another, i guarantee that lessons you will learn will be of great help in other dangerous areas such as low or null.
It is late so pls forgive any typos, don't have the patience to check :P
All the best and fly dangerous! |
Gallastian Khanid
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2013.09.08 08:59:00 -
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Vuuko Kusoni wrote:Very good explanation about cloaking, thanks. With enough time to skill up, ISK funds and practice time I can really become invisible and practically 100% safe at almost every situation.
Not quite 100%. If you get yourself cloaked up before anyone is on grid from you, then you are pretty close to perfectly safe. However if something comes within 2500m(?Not sure exact distance?) of you you decloak.
This is usually impossible if you cloak up while no one is on grid with you, but you cannot jump through a gate cloaked. So, for example, if you jump through a gate and a bubble is up you are forced to cloak or die on grid with whoever is camping that gate. Then a good frigate/Interdictor pilot can burn for you and decloak you, leaving you an easy kill for them. |
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