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Slye
Shark Waters
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Posted - 2013.09.04 20:18:00 -
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I am not sure why you guys are going to the nGÇÖth degree on this. In the meantime, we are all living in a world that is not balance and in my opinion will never be balanced. That is also one of the main reasons why a couple of individuals, like the small group that started EVE, managed to create such a great gameGǪ or is that created and ex-great game. It is this inequality which makes live challenging AND worth living. (Finding the opportunity and do something unique)
This game is more and more becoming a grind and predictable - there is no surprises anymore. Quantity rules quality. You guys must remember that this is a game and using the better strategy WITH the right ships DID allow the small team to hurt the big one. With your balancing crap you are bypassing the concept of fun.
LetGÇÖs quickly have a look at what the definition of entertaining and fun is: There will be a difference in the exact definition but what is universal, is that when you bring in predictability then all the excitement in the definition is removed. If this become the norm you WILL LOSE players instead of gaining players. Your large player corporates will become larger and the players lose their individuality and leave the game.
The other thing of entertainment, which also must not be forgotten is that most of us have not got a lot of time to enjoy it and you will lose these players too because they have not got the time to grind as a faceless number in a huge corp.
You are unintentionally creating a First world bureaucracy where the individual losses there face with no opportunity to shine. The only thing that thieve in this type of environment is fraud and corruption and I for one do not want to play that sort of game GÇô in real life or for entertainment.
This is an opinion which I hope CCP will consider when deciding what they must do in the game. I suspect that there will be various other opinions which is not in line with this one and I would like to hear yours. All I ask is if you want to attack the opinion please do so, not the writer.
Cheers Slye |
Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp Ocularis Inferno
130
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Posted - 2013.09.04 20:28:00 -
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Was there a point to all this, such as a call to action or what you want CCP to do? Or did you just come here to ***** about nothing in particular?
I'm thinking the latter. GÇ£Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.GÇ¥ - CCP Soundwave |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1341
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Posted - 2013.09.04 20:34:00 -
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Siobhan MacLeary wrote:Was there a point to all this, such as a call to action or what you want CCP to do? Or did you just come here to ***** about nothing in particular?
I'm thinking the latter.
Agreed. This seems like it belongs in GD, since OP has offered no features or ideas to combat his stated problems with the game. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Orakkus
Winds of Dawn Kraken.
123
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Posted - 2013.09.04 20:41:00 -
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Yeah, I'm kind of the same mind as Siobhan on this comment. I've been in the game a while and right now has been the time when you could literally see anything on the battlefield and much of it viable. I remember when, no matter what, if your enemy were in Vagabonds, you were going to lose. So, everyone had Vagabond fleets.
Then came AHAC Zealots
Then RR Battleships
Then this, then that, etc., etc. Now.. now there isn't any "one doctrine to rule them all" situation going on. In one week, I've seen Tech 1 frig fleets, Tech 2 frig fleets, Tech 1 Cruiser fleets, Tech 2 cruiser fleets, Tech 1 Destroyer fleets, Attack BC fleets, Combat BC Fleets, all with and without support. All of which were viable. I've seen battles of Talwar Destroyers take on a defeat a larger Caracal fleet. I've seen a larger fleet of Tech 1 BCs get decimated by a well flown flight of Vagabonds.
Sorry bud, there has never been more surprise and variety than now. |
Slye
Shark Waters
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Posted - 2013.09.04 20:44:00 -
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I am not very happy about the command ship changes but it is obvious to late to cry about it. I hardly post nor do I read the forums regularly. Life do not allow me this luxury.
What I do hope is that CCP do less re-balancing and more creating because the more choices the more room for error or getting your game play strategy right. I think that even enlarging the sandbox will be better then re-balancing. |
Vayn Baxtor
Ultra High Ping Crew
76
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Posted - 2013.09.04 20:57:00 -
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Hehe. This thread should be in General Discussion
It's all in the eye of the beholder(s). Problem is, there are some +40.000 or some whack number like that.
True, there will never be balance. A single point difference in eHP or anything and somebody will be screaming about it. My point is just that people need to stop worrying too much about balance this, balance that. It is more about the "playability" of the game that one has to keep looking at. EVE has always been riddled with flavor-of-the-month ships and cookie cutter fittings. Tiericide did bring some fresh wind, but it isn't perfect either.
Just remember that at the end of the day, we're just customers and it is CCP's game. And we're just here to share opinions in hopes that they will be heard out.
Yes, there are "more diverse fleets" now, but it could be so much better. We're still far from seeing something different than the usual "my guns are bigger" or "I have hoards of people". But that is how it is today.
Quote:This game is more and more becoming a grind and predictable - there is no surprises anymore. Quantity rules quality. You guys must remember that this is a game and using the better strategy WITH the right ships DID allow the small team to hurt the big one. With your balancing crap you are bypassing the concept of fun.
I agree here. But this is where the problem starts. It is too easy to see movement. Here's where the "L word" comes. Nope, not lesbians, not Logistics Ships - but Local Chat (and add in general intel channels).
Wormhole delayed Local could make 0.0 very fun, but also very dangerous. But that alone will just case even more ramble. However, I cannot recall CCP ultimately saying the "Local" topic being a dead horse.
But in terms of surprises, that is just one of many thing.
It is also too easy to just bunch up and steamroll people. Not always, but it works most of the time.
To keep it short. Nothing is really going to change unless there is some sort of overhaul/revamp around one of the "big ones" (like Local, Capital Ships/PoS gameplay, etc). Tiericide is sort of a mid-level thing. It is good that it is happening, in the end.
Unfortunately, one has to delve quite deep in order to make things better. However, better is yet again in the eyes of the beholders.
But that is just my opinion - one of which most people don't give a damn about :D! Using tablet, typoes are common and I'm not going to fix them all. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4049
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Posted - 2013.09.04 21:13:00 -
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Slye wrote:This game is more and more becoming a grind and predictable - there is no surprises anymore. Quantity rules quality. You guys must remember that this is a game and using the better strategy WITH the right ships DID allow the small team to hurt the big one. With your balancing crap you are bypassing the concept of fun.
Yeah, AHACS beat Scrub battleships. See anyone flying fleets of mixed battleships?
Using a better strategy with the right ships allowed the small team to beat the big one. The big ones picked up on those better strategies and started flying the right ships.
In other words, the problem you're having is that you don't have the better strategy with the right ships anymore. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
1670
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Posted - 2013.09.04 21:13:00 -
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Erm.
How, exactly, is making a much larger pool of ships actually useful in fleets, gangs, even solo, a bad thing? Look at the scythe for example. Before, no-one would ever even think about touching one, now, every shield fleet wants them. The same with all the ex-mining frigs and cruisers, most t1 cruisers in general, most of the BCs, the less useful HACs, various faction cruisers...
Explain why making things that exist better is a bad thing. Why would we want more ships when more than half of what we had before the rebalance was useless? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3165
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Posted - 2013.09.04 22:01:00 -
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reserved Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Phaade
Debitum Naturae WHY so Seri0Us
94
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Posted - 2013.09.04 23:17:00 -
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Is this guy actually trying to argue for an unbalanced game?
YA I WANT GALLENTE / MINMATAR SHIPS TO BE BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE'S CUZ THAT'S LIKE LIFE.
I want what you smoke bro. |
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1343
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Posted - 2013.09.04 23:43:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Slye wrote:This game is more and more becoming a grind and predictable - there is no surprises anymore. Quantity rules quality. You guys must remember that this is a game and using the better strategy WITH the right ships DID allow the small team to hurt the big one. With your balancing crap you are bypassing the concept of fun. Yeah, AHACS beat Scrub battleships. See anyone flying fleets of mixed battleships anymore? Using a better strategy with the right ships allowed the small team to beat the big one. The big ones picked up on those better strategies and started flying the right ships. In other words, the problem you're having is that you don't have the better strategy with the right ships anymore.
RubyPorto, are you attempting to suggest that people should change their tactics to suit a changing environment? Because that's patently ridiculous, and I can't fathom where you might get off with proposing such a backward idea. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4050
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Posted - 2013.09.04 23:55:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:RubyPorto, are you attempting to suggest that people should change their tactics to suit a changing environment? Because that's patently ridiculous, and I can't fathom where you might get off with proposing such a backward idea.
As you know, I'm quite mad. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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ISD Flidais Asagiri
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.09.04 23:58:00 -
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Greetings
Great discussion, but it doesn't belong in this forum, it is more of a general post. Lets keep to the topic and try and not let it become a whiny rant post. Moving to GD.
On On ISD Flidais Asagiri Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Berendas
The Scope Gallente Federation
484
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Posted - 2013.09.05 00:31:00 -
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Slye wrote:I want an unbalanced game so I don't have to figure out what to fly for myself.
Hurp a durr. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4288
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Posted - 2013.09.05 00:47:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Yeah, AHACS beat Scrub battleships. See anyone flying fleets of mixed battleships anymore?
Using a better strategy with the right ships allowed the small team to beat the big one. The big ones picked up on those better strategies and started flying the right ships.
In other words, the problem you're having is that you don't have the better strategy with the right ships anymore. That's the problem with blobbers. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
656
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:17:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Yeah, AHACS beat Scrub battleships. See anyone flying fleets of mixed battleships anymore?
Using a better strategy with the right ships allowed the small team to beat the big one. The big ones picked up on those better strategies and started flying the right ships.
In other words, the problem you're having is that you don't have the better strategy with the right ships anymore. That's the problem with blobbers.
But people keep saying they are stupid. Surely they can;t really learn from what a few ~elite pvp players~ were doing and adapt. This thread is full of madness. |
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