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Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:49:00 -
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EVE, like Star Wars doesn't really care about physics. Herping your derp since 19Potato --á[Proposal] - Ingame Visual Adverts |
Solaris Ecladia
High Flyers The Kadeshi
156
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:51:00 -
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fairly certain that the 250g from a catalyst turn isnt much compared to an interceptor hitting an overheated MWD and going from 0 to everyone's dead in 0.5 seconds |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16310
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:52:00 -
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Stegas Tyrano wrote:EVE, like Star Wars doesn't really care about physics. GǪexcept for the B-wing, which in the EU lore is noted to have gyros to compensate for the ship swinging around and that they require a lot of maintenance not to break (never mind that gyros wouldn't help, so it doesn't really care about actual physics, but still). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
stoicfaux
3081
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Posted - 2013.09.05 13:04:00 -
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Ships going thousands of meters per second bounce off of each other without damage. Kinetic damage doesn't exist in EVE (which means that kinetic damage weapons in EVE work on entirely different principles than what think of as kinetic damage.)
Also, billions of catgirls die when you try to bring physics into EVE[1].
[1] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=catgirl definition #5.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
247
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Posted - 2013.09.05 13:07:00 -
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Only way of catalyst making such rotation would be to get rid of the mass in certain parts of ship, but what means ship breaking and pieces flying apart or blowing ship up in huuuuuge explosion. Definitely bad choice. New CQ prototype |
Posting From Underbridge
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.09.05 13:16:00 -
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Leviticus 18:53 Thou shalt not use Devil Science to place limits on EVE.
Leviticus 24:92 Thou shalt not use the stupid crap in Leviticus for parody, as you may be banned. |
Ressiv
The Scope Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2013.09.05 13:27:00 -
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Droidster wrote:I was flying a Catalyst today and I noticed that it's "arm" pivots suddenly to vertical when it turns.
I was wondering what the affect of that would be on those passengers unlucky enough to be situated near the end of the arm.
Estimating from the window sizes the arm of the ship appears to be about 2500 feet long. If it pivots to vertical in less than one second the acceleration/deceleration appears to be around 8000 feet per second squared, or about 250 times the accleration due to gravity. Since the average person blacks out at around 7 g's and their eyes will be destroyed around 40 g's, a ride in a Catalyst would probably be pretty uncomfortable. At 250 g's deceleration your brains would probably be coming out of your nose.
Of course, we might also wonder what variety of material the arm is made of that it can stand such torque. Hmmm.
Anyway, my recommendation would be to remain in the CENTER of the vessel if you are traveling on a Catalyst.
If you just avoid very large mass objects, being able to make something meaningfull out of your story, considdering F=(GMm)/(r^2), then it's not all that important where you sit. |
Sir Jack Falstaff
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.09.05 13:29:00 -
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I love this thread so much. We've got the totally joking people, the half-joking-but-hey-wait-a-minute people, and the totally earnest all mixing it up. Physics, pseudoscience, the Schrodinger's crew, and a pitch-perfect Lovecraft reference to round out the playbill.
10/10 But for sweet Jack Falstaff, kind Jack Falstaff, true Jack Falstaff, valiant Jack Falstaff, and therefore more valiant, being, as he is, old Jack Falstaff, banish not him thy Harry's company, banish not him thy Harry's company: banish plump Jack, and banish all the world. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
397
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Posted - 2013.09.05 14:10:00 -
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Droidster wrote: Estimating from the window sizes the arm of the ship appears to be about 2500 feet long.
284 meters. Recalculate.
(http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1321790)
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Posting From Underbridge
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.09.05 14:28:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote: 284 meters. Recalculate.
That's what she said! |
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
421
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Posted - 2013.09.05 15:00:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:IIRC, the answer is:
Your ship applies a precise artificial gravity field to counteract G forces created by maneuvering. Ties back into ship size and maneuverability...small ship, small crew, not as many calculations for the computer to counteract forces. Big ship, big crew, lots of calculations to avoid chunky salsa effect. Artificial gravity with artificial mass? Acceleration is G force in space. You should accelerate in opossite direction to counteract the acceleration to be precise. Stay in place to counteract all forces.
Exactly! Look at MWD stats, they add mass, correct?
This question has been pondered for many, many years of sci-fi. Pretty universally, the decision has been technobabble. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4574
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Posted - 2013.09.05 15:45:00 -
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Inertial Dampners. Video Game. Take your pick. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16319
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Posted - 2013.09.05 16:02:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Inertial Dampners. Video Game. Take your pick. I reject your picks and offer video dampeners instead. That would also explain the camera movement in 1.1. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
247
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Posted - 2013.09.05 16:05:00 -
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Many years before EVE existed, after playing Elite on commodore I made my prediction on how spacecraft should be looking for it to have great agility and not be impossible to fly when speeding and accelerating in space, and it looked like a cross with pilot in the centre of the craft, like this. New CQ prototype |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
1591
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Posted - 2013.09.05 16:16:00 -
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Nanobots inside you brace every part of your body to withstand those Gs. It takes some pretty fast thinking on their part to pull that off, believe me. |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
1704
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Posted - 2013.09.05 17:01:00 -
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Droidster wrote:I was flying a Catalyst today and I noticed that it's "arm" pivots suddenly to vertical when it turns.
I was wondering what the affect of that would be on those passengers unlucky enough to be situated near the end of the arm.
Estimating from the window sizes the arm of the ship appears to be about 2500 feet long. If it pivots to vertical in less than one second the acceleration/deceleration appears to be around 8000 feet per second squared, or about 250 times the accleration due to gravity. Since the average person blacks out at around 7 g's and their eyes will be destroyed around 40 g's, a ride in a Catalyst would probably be pretty uncomfortable. At 250 g's deceleration your brains would probably be coming out of your nose.
Of course, we might also wonder what variety of material the arm is made of that it can stand such torque. Hmmm.
Anyway, my recommendation would be to remain in the CENTER of the vessel if you are traveling on a Catalyst.
Two words, inertial dampeners, the science-fiction answer to "why don't the G-forces of going to warp speed kill you?" You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
1
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Posted - 2013.09.05 17:47:00 -
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Droidster wrote:Estimating from the window sizes the arm of the ship appears to be about 2500 feet long. I think you mean to say "2500 feet wide". Assuming that's the case, this chart (upper right corner) indicates that the width of the Catalyst is 284m or 932 feet.
Also, unless I'm somehow mistaken, the number of "passengers" in a Catalyst is one - the pilot. ____________________________________________________ There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Lexar Mundi
Aperture Harmonics K162
91
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Posted - 2013.09.05 17:55:00 -
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Donbe Scurred wrote:baltec1 wrote:Space is a liquid therefore G-forces do not apply. This^ I like how you apply the forces of gravity when there is no gravity. If you spin something fast enough in space it creates gravity. But I agree, did he take into account you have to create gravity before it starts to build up?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_gravity |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1189
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Posted - 2013.09.05 17:57:00 -
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Asgardian inertia stabilizers and hyperdrive, Oris shields and replicators lasers. That's the future (not) after next apocalypse (maybe) *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
1
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Posted - 2013.09.05 18:01:00 -
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Donbe Scurred wrote:baltec1 wrote:Space is a liquid therefore G-forces do not apply. This^ I like how you apply the forces of gravity when there is no gravity. Eve Online begs us for a certain reasonable level of disbelief. Without gravity, for example, there would also be no falloff on projectile ammunition. ____________________________________________________ There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
247
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Posted - 2013.09.05 18:51:00 -
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Eve has CCP's physics, deal with it. New CQ prototype |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
1
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Posted - 2013.09.05 19:18:00 -
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Actually that would be a non-starter. Because the constant involved in the formula for the independent creation of gravity in space is the speed of light (c) raised to the fourth power, the amount of mass necessary to create even the smallest amount of gravity would easily dwarf a Titan.
G++++ = 8-ÇG/c4 T++++
You'd want something the size of a planet, or at very least a sizable moon. From the wikipedia submission you cite, above:
Quote:. . . carrying a sufficient quantity of mass to form significant gravity fields in a spacecraft is well beyond current technology. ____________________________________________________ There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Maxpie
MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
329
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Posted - 2013.09.05 19:27:00 -
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This is why you should fit an interia stabilizer in every ship
No good deed goes unpunished |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
1704
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Posted - 2013.09.05 19:32:00 -
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Amhra Rho wrote:Droidster wrote:Estimating from the window sizes the arm of the ship appears to be about 2500 feet long. I think you mean to say "2500 feet wide". Assuming that's the case, this chart (upper right corner) indicates that the width of the Catalyst is 284m or 932 feet. Also, unless I'm somehow mistaken, the number of "passengers" in a Catalyst is one - the pilot.
A little mistaken. According to the lore, all ships, including capsuleer vessels, have at least a skeleton crew of engineers, loaders and maintenance staff. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
2
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Posted - 2013.09.05 19:36:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Amhra Rho wrote:Droidster wrote:Estimating from the window sizes the arm of the ship appears to be about 2500 feet long. I think you mean to say "2500 feet wide". Assuming that's the case, this chart (upper right corner) indicates that the width of the Catalyst is 284m or 932 feet. Also, unless I'm somehow mistaken, the number of "passengers" in a Catalyst is one - the pilot. A little mistaken. According to the lore, all ships, including capsuleer vessels, have at least a skeleton crew of engineers, loaders and maintenance staff. Ok. Acknowledged.
Great. Now I have to calculate the effects of G-forces on a skeleton ____________________________________________________ There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
247
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Posted - 2013.09.05 19:41:00 -
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That's right. Hey, they said service in navy will blow your mind, right? New CQ prototype |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
1705
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Posted - 2013.09.05 20:20:00 -
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Amhra Rho wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Amhra Rho wrote:Droidster wrote:Estimating from the window sizes the arm of the ship appears to be about 2500 feet long. I think you mean to say "2500 feet wide". Assuming that's the case, this chart (upper right corner) indicates that the width of the Catalyst is 284m or 932 feet. Also, unless I'm somehow mistaken, the number of "passengers" in a Catalyst is one - the pilot. A little mistaken. According to the lore, all ships, including capsuleer vessels, have at least a skeleton crew of engineers, loaders and maintenance staff. Ok. Acknowledged. Great. Now I have to calculate the effects of G-forces on a skeleton
Err... not sure if being sarcastic or not, but that's because I'm autistic. A 'skeleton' crew is a naval term referring to the minimum crew needed for the caretaking of a normally inactive vessel, be it docked for upgrades or repairs, shore leave for the usual personnel, etc. In the case of shore leave, the skeleton crew are normally taken from land-based units rather than the ship's rostered crew itself.
A skeleton crew will also include the minimum of personnel needed for the activation of defensive weaponry if the vessel comes under attack. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
2
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Posted - 2013.09.05 20:27:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Amhra Rho wrote:Ok. Acknowledged. Great. Now I have to calculate the effects of G-forces on a skeleton Err... not sure if being sarcastic or not You can relaxicate. I know what a skeleton crew is. Not falling all over myself to make a point of humor is such a wasted opportunity.
PS. the smiley at the end of that comment is a clue. ____________________________________________________ There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
1705
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Posted - 2013.09.05 20:32:00 -
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Sometimes I get it, sometimes I don't. I'm having a particularly weird morning, and I'm not getting much of anything today. Anyway, moving on... You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
19
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Posted - 2013.09.05 23:11:00 -
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So thats whats behind gankers brains? |
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