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Tanya Fox
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2011.10.29 23:57:00 -
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Psychophantic wrote:The Apostle wrote:Quoth The Mittani Quote:We're now working with Helicity for a combined Goonswarm/Hulkageddon event which will make the last few Hulkageddons look like drops in the bucket. Gawd, two attention seeking drama queens combining forces.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
568
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Posted - 2011.10.29 23:58:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:okst666 wrote:XIRUSPHERE wrote:Concord is there to blow up a ship after a criminal act, that's it, that's all it ever has been. They are by no means " protection ". It would be cool if concord would act like real police would do...but with a chance. they should patrol and follow suspects (negative secstatus for example...or killed people in the last 3 month) where ever they go with a chance of 33% ...target someone in highsec...concord targets you (80% chance) ..first shot on possible victim and you will be vaporized by concord.(100% chance) To be like "real police" per se, the penalty needs to escalate per offense until it is impossible for a ganker to continue. Even a -10 can easily circumvent Concord. If it went that way, It'll come down to recycling alts and as someone said, maybe you shouldn't be able to recycle an alt with a negative standing. That'll be something less for CCP to police as an added bonus. If you make yourself a neg status, you pay the price. God forbid, a consequence for ganking!! Whatever will we think of next? I liked you better when you were advocating for mission runners to be ganked along with the poor miners.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
768
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:01:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:The Apostle wrote:Quoth The Mittani Quote:We're now working with Helicity for a combined Goonswarm/Hulkageddon event which will make the last few Hulkageddons look like drops in the bucket. To be or not to be...... protected by Concord. Will this create the catalyst? Discuss... Sounds like fun. Poor part time macro miners / afk alt miners are obviously going to start whining again, but these kinds of events bring variety to the game and make people break their daily routines and try something else too... and if not - at least the mining will be much more exciting, I sorta agree that Hulkageddon brings variety. It was a 10 day event and the smart players just did something else in the interim.
But the ganking being suggested here is for all intents and purposes a little bit over the top. It's the bidding of one person with ramifications for both the game and for hundreds, if not thousands of players who will be victims.
And let's face it, even fun, if overdone, can become tiresome. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
768
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:04:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:The Apostle wrote:okst666 wrote:XIRUSPHERE wrote:Concord is there to blow up a ship after a criminal act, that's it, that's all it ever has been. They are by no means " protection ". It would be cool if concord would act like real police would do...but with a chance. they should patrol and follow suspects (negative secstatus for example...or killed people in the last 3 month) where ever they go with a chance of 33% ...target someone in highsec...concord targets you (80% chance) ..first shot on possible victim and you will be vaporized by concord.(100% chance) To be like "real police" per se, the penalty needs to escalate per offense until it is impossible for a ganker to continue. Even a -10 can easily circumvent Concord. If it went that way, It'll come down to recycling alts and as someone said, maybe you shouldn't be able to recycle an alt with a negative standing. That'll be something less for CCP to police as an added bonus. If you make yourself a neg status, you pay the price. God forbid, a consequence for ganking!! Whatever will we think of next? I liked you better when you were advocating for mission runners to be ganked along with the poor miners. I'm still advocating that. Believe me. If ganking is acceptable, let's make all the people who LIKE ganking ALSO become victims.
I say bring it. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1050
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:04:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:"Generate content", "Postive effects".... Lol. You TRULY believe that? Why wouldn't I believe something that is true? It's exactly the kind of content that EVE was built to produce, and the kind of market and industry activity it generates is just a healthy shake-up.
Quote:I'm still not sure why you spend so much time singling out the one "event" that impacts the player least likely to defend themselves at the greatest cost. You're confusing me with you. You're the one who just can't let go of this topic, even though is such a complete non-issue, and has been so since roughly forever. If the players don't want to defend themselves in spite of (supposedly) great costs, then that's their problem. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:04:00 -
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3 things
-Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
-Concord only punishes, there are never any guarantees of safety in Eve (if eve had a cornerstone/keystone, this would be it)
-Tears are delicious. The more you shed the tastier it is. |
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
47
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:07:00 -
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okst666 wrote:XIRUSPHERE wrote:Concord is there to blow up a ship after a criminal act, that's it, that's all it ever has been. They are by no means " protection ". It would be cool if concord would act like real police would do...but with a chance. they should patrol and follow suspects (negative secstatus for example...or killed people in the last 3 month) where ever they go with a chance of 33% ...target someone in highsec...concord targets you (80% chance) ..first shot on possible victim and you will be vaporized by concord.(100% chance)
As long as they act like real police and follow disproportionate amounts of matar pilots, take epic breaks around quafe dispensers eating donuts and are easily bribed. |
Tanya Fox
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:08:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
-Tears are delicious. The more you shed the tastier it is.
Tears are getting boring, it's been done to death multiple times.
People even claim tears where there are none. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
768
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:If the players don't want to defend themselves in spite of (supposedly) great costs, then that's their problem.
So you're in favour that missioners should be allowed to be ganked. No Concord in mission space? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1051
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:13:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:So you're in favour that missioners should be allowed to be ganked. No Concord in mission space? Non sequitur. Missioners are already allowed to be ganked.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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mkint
218
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:13:00 -
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The Apostle wrote: Discuss...
No.
Go discuss it in CAOD, and stop filling up GD with yet another thread about some turd pants you worship. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:16:00 -
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Tanya Fox wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
-Tears are delicious. The more you shed the tastier it is.
Tears are getting boring, it's been done to death multiple times. People even claim tears where there are none.
yeah, you keep telling yourself that.
tears are like beauty. it's all about the eye of the beholder.
The Apostle wrote:Tippia wrote:If the players don't want to defend themselves in spite of (supposedly) great costs, then that's their problem.
So you're in favour that missioners should be allowed to be ganked. No Concord in mission space?
When has it ever been otherwise in Eve? When has anything CCP ever said given you the illusion that players ANYWHERE are not allowed to be ganked?
I think this is not the game you are looking for Apostle. Play the game for what it is, we all like to improve Eve but it sounds like you want to fundamentally change the game. For that you can gtfo. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The Apostle wrote:So you're in favour that missioners should be allowed to be ganked. No Concord in mission space? Non sequitur. Missioners are already allowed to be ganked.
quote opposite.
Gankers are allowed to gank.
winter coming become ganker yourself for cost of 1mil you can gank any exhumer you chose .
get friend into fleet for just three mil you can gank officer fitted palladin .. enjoy your stay. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
781
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The Apostle wrote:So you're in favour that missioners should be allowed to be ganked. No Concord in mission space? Non sequitur. Missioners are already allowed to be ganked. Of course they are. Except Concord is far better at stopping a missioner gank unless a large gank fleet is deployed, that's why it's rarely done.
Unless you intend to haggle over tank on military vessels versus mining vessels? I suspect you will so I added it as a seperate line to make it easier for you to quote ad infinitum.
Why. How. What. When.... <<< even added some C/P for you. Enjoy.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
781
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:25:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:When has it ever been otherwise in Eve? When has anything CCP ever said given you the illusion that players ANYWHERE are not allowed to be ganked?
I think this is not the game you are looking for Apostle. Play the game for what it is, we all like to improve Eve but it sounds like you want to fundamentally change the game. For that you can gtfo. See my response to Tippia. To say ganking of mission boats is equal to ganking of miners is a little daft dontcha think? That's denying the obvious and implies that you have no idea about the differences in vessels.
Seriously. It's a lame argument used far too often, why, I have no idea. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
781
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:28:00 -
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mkint wrote:The Apostle wrote: Discuss...
No. Go discuss it in CAOD, and stop filling up GD with yet another thread about some turd pants you worship. lol. CAOD? Go back and read the OP and try again.
Or stfu. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1051
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:30:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Of course they are. Except Concord is far better at stopping a missioner gank unless a large gank fleet is deployed, that's why it's rarely done. Lolno. CONCORD is just as good at stopping missioner ganks GÇö i.e. not at all. That's not their job, so that shouldn't come as a surprise. That's why mission runners have always been the most paranoid bunch when it comes to being ganked (perhaps tied with haulers who GÇ£accidentallyGÇ¥ go AFK): because they're such common targets.
You're making a classic black-swan mistake by generalising from an exceptional event. You've somehow come to believe that miners are a particularly set upon group of people, when in fact they're such worthless targets that it requires highly publicised special events with rewards and public epeen waving for anyone to even consider hunting them. Outside of those events, people go after the targets that are actually worth anything: mission runners and traders.
Quote:Unless you intend to haggle over tank on military vessels versus mining vessels? Your average mission ship will actually have a tank that's not all that far away from what you can get on a Hulk, as far as ganking them is concerned.
Quote:To say ganking of mission boats is equal to ganking of miners is a little daft dontcha think? Yes, it's a bit daft. Ganking miners is rare and doesn't generate particularly costly losses. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
mkint
220
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:30:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:mkint wrote:The Apostle wrote: Discuss...
No. Go discuss it in CAOD, and stop filling up GD with yet another thread about some turd pants you worship. lol. CAOD? Go back and read the OP and try again. Or stfu. No.
If you don't want to take your hero worship to caod, then take your whining to c/p. Either way, nobody likes you any more. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:35:00 -
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yet waiting for an hulk to have over 230k ehp with 600 dps output and TP and dual webb .. with 700 m/s speed and good agility.
well suicide ganking happens nothing bad about it. It can be somewhat prevented... aka if you are in mission than your alt in noctis just sitting in entry acc gate you see gank which can shoot your ship you warp off ..
as far as miner go .. well no .. you cant even counter anything by having logis since you get alphaed by 30mil ship soon / price to be discussed/
if you are missioner having fleet of other ten vessels with you will signifacntly reduce chance of you being sucide ganked, being in exhumer having an fleet accomplish nothing.
I dont care that much as i dont mine, but if drone region get nerfed and null alliances will not take it as an opportunity to get more industrialsits in their ranks and just put an blind eye the consequences could be severe. |
CATPAIN KIRK
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:37:00 -
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I thnick the OP is an idot. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
491
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:45:00 -
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I'd like to state that suicide ganking campaigns are great PR for CCP. The gaming press eats it up.
Suicide ganking is here to stay, deal wiz it~ |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
23
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:45:00 -
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CATPAIN KIRK wrote:I thnick the OP is an idot.
The most perfect post.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
781
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:46:00 -
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Tippia wrote:]Your average mission ship will actually have a tank that's not all that far away from what you can get on a Hulk, as far as ganking them is concerned.
Are you for REAL??????? When was the last time you saw a Hulk tank 15-20+ battleships? You "Ma'am" are ******* amazing.
But get this...
- If I say make mission space Concord free it's vehemently opposed by mission runners. (Tippia and friends) - If I say remove Concord completely and let Eve be open slather for PvP, the highsec "PvP'ers" fight it vehemently. - If I suggest a miner has a right to some safety, I'm told "It's a sandbox", "This is Eve", "HTFU"....
Ofc it is. Right up until I suggest you put YOUR ass on the line. Then, THEN it's everything is "working as intended", "this is how it is", "accepted game mechanic", "normal" yadda ya.
It's a ******* joke.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:48:00 -
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Andski wrote:I'd like to state that suicide ganking campaigns are great PR for CCP. The gaming press eats it up.
Suicide ganking is here to stay, deal wiz it~
true, however it makes you think
What kind of people will join the game where is "moral" "higher ground" just an idea to be spit on.
nah huge chunk of EVE players are actually carebears those who provides such "entertainment" are in really really small numbers.
Even whole Goonswarm federation are just like 1/30 of the high sec carebears. if they gank up together and sit in their ruptures they will tear apart anything in null sec |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
781
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:49:00 -
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CATPAIN KIRK wrote:I thnick the OP is an idot. Was that "think" or "thick"?
Was that an "idiot" or a new alliance?
Best you post again.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
457
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Posted - 2011.10.30 00:49:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Tippia wrote:]Your average mission ship will actually have a tank that's not all that far away from what you can get on a Hulk, as far as ganking them is concerned.
Are you for REAL??????? When was the last time you saw a Hulk tank 15-20+ battleships? You "Ma'am" are ******* amazing. But get this... - If I say make mission space Concord free it's vehemently opposed by mission runners. (Tippia and friends) - If I say remove Concord completely and let Eve be open slather for PvP, the highsec "PvP'ers" fight it vehemently. - If I suggest a miner has a right to some safety, I'm told "It's a sandbox", "This is Eve", "HTFU".... Ofc it is. Right up until I suggest you put YOUR ass on the line. Then, THEN it's everything is "working as intended", "this is how it is", "accepted game mechanic", "normal" yadda ya. It's a ******* joke.
CATPAIN KIRK wrote:I thnick the OP is an idot.
Not empty quoting. morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding! |
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:07:00 -
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XIRUSPHERE wrote:okst666 wrote:XIRUSPHERE wrote:Concord is there to blow up a ship after a criminal act, that's it, that's all it ever has been. They are by no means " protection ". It would be cool if concord would act like real police would do...but with a chance. they should patrol and follow suspects (negative secstatus for example...or killed people in the last 3 month) where ever they go with a chance of 33% ...target someone in highsec...concord targets you (80% chance) ..first shot on possible victim and you will be vaporized by concord.(100% chance) As long as they act like real police and follow disproportionate amounts of matar pilots, take epic breaks around quafe dispensers eating donuts and are easily bribed.
OH lawdy i wish i could like a post more than once. Regional differences in the behaviour of CONCORD, gate and station guns, caused by sec level of system, status of player, could deliver immensely complex and entertaining wrinkles to empire. Except for the bribing bit, since everybody has to be equally liable to consequences. But the variable hassling of pilots would be great and I imagine it would only take a little coding to create a crazy web of NPC behaviour. Testing it might be a bit huge.
Sorry OP, ganking is part of eve. Humans need play and danger, civilisation offers them work and safety, eve is the most beautiful realisation of the playful danger, don't let the gankers get you down.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1052
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:16:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Are you for REAL??????? When was the last time you saw a Hulk tank 15-20+ battleships? Fun fact: you don't need 15-20+ battleships to gank a mission runner. You do know that the kind of tank you use in missions is not in any way the kind of tank you'd want to use to make yourself somewhat gank-resistant, right?
Quote:- If I say make mission space Concord free it's vehemently opposed by mission runners. GǪbecause you haven't really provided much of a reason why such a change should happen (as usual).
Quote:- If I suggest a miner has a right to some safety, I'm told GǪthat they already have it, if they choose to. Most don't and that's really their problem, not an issue with the game.
Quote:Ofc it is. Right up until I suggest you put YOUR ass on the line. Then, THEN it's everything is "working as intended" Wow. You're really confused by consistency aren't you.
No, everything is working as intended, and has done so all along, no matter whose arse is or was on the line. That's why all your suggestions are met with the same question: because you can never explain what's wrong and why it needs to change. You just go on claiming that things must change(!)GǪ and then you can't explain why. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
783
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:23:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Sorry OP, ganking is part of eve. Humans need play and danger, civilisation offers them work and safety, eve is the most beautiful realisation of the playful danger, don't let the gankers get you down.
Yes. Ganking is part of Eve.
And my OP asks whether it should remain where mining vessels are FOTF (flavour of the forever ) and Concord needs to be buffed to provide some kind of levelling or should Concord be disarmed away from stations and gates bringing MORE targets into a "probable" ganking range.
There's a line being followed that missioners (for example) are "gankable" as well. Yes, agreed, ALL vessels are "gankable". But the probability of success is so far seperated between that of a mining vessel versus a PvE vessel that it's ludicrous.
My post is a challenge to the gank advocates.
If ganking unarmed vessels is "neccessary" for good game play, yadda ya, how about we decrease the range and effectiveness of Concord to increase the likelihood of MORE ganks.
To whit. Either ganking is acceptable and EVERYONE should be roundly and fairly gankable.... Or not.
tbh: I'm on the fence with this one.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2011.10.30 01:24:00 -
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Well Tippia i allready put an comment regarding mission runners/ incursion runners etc.
Look at it :
Exhumer alone / ganked by 2mil ship soon
Mission runner alone / ganked by tier 3 BC
now
Mission runner and ten friends / probably not worth the effort the ganker have to use to succeed
Exhumer and ten friends / same story as Exhumer alone
See it it doesnt add up
Even if you got exhumer with thousands strong sub cap fleet include 200 guardians and bassilisks and hundreds of supercapitals
he will still get killed by the same two mil ship. |
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