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Zappity
Kurved Space
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Posted - 2013.09.16 23:20:00 -
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Setting fire to a Firetail
Lowsec kill: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20580321
Video: http://youtu.be/iIFKzkXQipc
Well, to be fair someone had already arranged the kindling as you can see in the video. Still, a good fight in which I finally managed to get my range control right. As I should - a pretty straightforward scenario tbh.
I was in my Incursus, playing on an acceleration gate with a Rifter who wasnGÇÖt really serious. His fleetmate arrived on grid in a Firetail and jumped straight through the. Since the Rifter was a little way off, I followed him through and landed just a couple of km away. Next, the traditional scram, web and guns routine was applied.
When I locked him I saw that he was already damaged. His shield melted in a couple of volleys and he started burning away to decrease the dps. I was ready! I overheated and kept pace with him and managed to keep reasonably close to optimal. His damage was good, though, and it was the Incursus' hull resists that saved me. He popped in a most satisfying manner.
He had burned away from the gate in an attempt to shake me off. When the fight finished we were about 20km away from his friend in the Rifter and I was able to warp away. A pity it wasnGÇÖt a solo kill because of his prior damage but gf in local is gf. But then he probably would have killed me if heGÇÖd been fully repped - it was close. Props to Rubik Utama. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Don Purple
Snuggle Factory
89
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Posted - 2013.09.17 04:21:00 -
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Thanks for the stories Zappity, I find myself reading them every time I visit C & P. |
Zappity
Kurved Space
430
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Posted - 2013.09.17 08:30:00 -
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Don Purple wrote:Thanks for the stories Zappity, I find myself reading them every time I visit C & P.
Thanks, that's good to hear. Have another... Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Zappity
Kurved Space
430
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Posted - 2013.09.17 08:31:00 -
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Lowsec loss: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20577750
Video: http://youtu.be/ky_ClNDtZG0
I was getting bored. Too many farmers around and apparently my lone Incursus is the most terrifying thing they have ever seen. So, when a Slicer wants to fight, why not?
Well, because you will lose. ThatGÇÖs why. This was a straight up brawl. He was tanked very well and neuted me out. Still, I almost got him into structure. Could I have done anything better in this fight?
I fought him again a few days later and this time escaped before he neuted me out. I think I need a Comet. Or maybe a dual-rep Incursus but I dislike them for some reason. Tank before gank just doesnGÇÖt seem right for this frigate. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
347
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Posted - 2013.09.18 10:53:00 -
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If you want to stick with Gallente try an Atron vs that Slicer....you will be pleasantly surpised.
Tristan with Warrior II's and some drone modules (t2 drone nav computer.....) are hellaevil as well. |
Zappity
Kurved Space
439
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Posted - 2013.09.19 08:00:00 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:If you want to stick with Gallente try an Atron vs that Slicer....you will be pleasantly surpised.
Tristan with Warrior II's and some drone modules (t2 drone nav computer.....) are hellaevil as well.
Thanks, I'll have another look at the Atron. I haven't really got into long point kiting fits much yet but I probably should, especially after the next post! Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Zappity
Kurved Space
439
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Posted - 2013.09.19 08:03:00 -
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AAR autoreload NEEDS FIXING. Oh yes it does and you should all go here and add your voice to the thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=233383
Lowsec loss: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20583354
Sorry, forgot FRAPS. I canGÇÖt be good at everything you know. :)
There I was, innocently trying to gank a Condor (have I mentioned that I donGÇÖt like Condors?) but unfortunately he was awake and at range on the warp-in. Truthfully, this wasnGÇÖt surprising and I had actually wanted to practice my manual piloting to reverse slingshot him out of range. That bit worked and I managed to lose the point twice although I wasnGÇÖt aligned for either escape (silly but that's the point of practice). And then the auto-reload on my AAR kicked in.
I do not like auto-reload on my AAR. I do not like the fact that you cannot see the reload progress. I do not like the fact that you canGÇÖt cancel it. In fact, I do not like the auto reload AT ALL and will never use it on my AAR, at least in frigates. So can I please have an option to turn it off by default? Probably not.
OK, maybe those ARE tears so IGÇÖll get my hanky and just try to remember to switch it off when I fit up in future. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Zappity
Kurved Space
439
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Posted - 2013.09.19 08:49:00 -
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I'm getting bored fighting lone T1 standard frigates. They either die very quickly or else I do (which admittedly can be interesting and is usually educational). But it is a very 'binary' experience.
As a result, I am getting much more inclined to warp in to multiple frigates. Of course this usually ends up with me dying in a fire but never mind, it's only isk.
Today I came across four Slashers and a Rifter who, based on the names, I suspected were controlled by one person. Even better! I dive into the plex and burn towards the group (oh dear, what a noob) where I am promptly multiple-webbed and rapidly overwhelmed.
Clearly I am a slow learner because I immediately return after reshipping. They have changed systems and are now in a Medium plex. The are about 5km from the warp-in beacon when I land and this time I move in the opposite direction with my overheated afterburner.
They target but miss the tackle and none of them follow too far from the group. I tease them for a while to no avail until one of the Slashers warps away. Is he refitting to deal with me? Looks like it since he quickly returns and burns at me with a microwarp drive. Good.
I am now about 50km from the main group and manage to slingshot the Slasher to land a scram. The Rifter is burning in behind the Slasher but I think I have time to deal with him. I start nailing the Slasher and drop his shields, then armor and finally start on the hull. But here comes the Rifter and my modules are getting hot (need to manage heat differently with multiple ships). I align out and warp, unfortunately making an error of timing and leaving the Slasher with a few percent hull left! Damn!
I quickly repair and warp back in. Bugger it, I figured the ship was lost anyway. Rinse and repeat with the Slasher/Rifter pair giving chase and this time tackling and dual web immediately.
But now I am starting to get used to the different tactics required and start nailing the more fragile ship (Slasher I figure) immediately. He starts taking heavy damage and pulls range, trying to limit my dps. Good, one web down and now we're 30km from the group.
I tackle the Rifter, kill him quickly and loot the wreck. Haha! One for one. Pity that I didn't get the Slasher too (I should have) but there will be another time.
GF in local but the response is meh, literally. I'll be looking out for you... Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
88282
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Posted - 2013.09.19 10:03:00 -
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Sounds like you had fun, I'd like to come across this guy and test his Multi Frig setup ^_^
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Zappity
Kurved Space
440
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Posted - 2013.09.19 11:54:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:Sounds like you had fun, I'd like to come across this guy and test his Multi Frig setup ^_^
It was a pleasure bumping into you the other day.
You will know him if you see him. He appears to have an obsession with all things dental for some odd reason. And most unpleasant ship names and local chat. I was delighted to get one of the ships. I'm sure anyone competent would mince his setup. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
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Mizhir
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
34942
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Posted - 2013.09.19 12:58:00 -
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Zappity wrote:I'm getting bored fighting lone T1 standard frigates. They either die very quickly or else I do (which admittedly can be interesting and is usually educational). But it is a very 'binary' experience.
Fighting outnumbered always makes things more fun :)
And the best way to do that is to seperate them in one way or another. And it seems like you learned alot about that in the slasher/rifter fight. We will never forget you Saede!
I bet you dont see things like this so often in EVE |
Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
88337
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Posted - 2013.09.19 13:39:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Alice Saki wrote:Sounds like you had fun, I'd like to come across this guy and test his Multi Frig setup ^_^ It was a pleasure bumping into you the other day. You will know him if you see him. He appears to have an obsession with all things dental for some odd reason. And most unpleasant ship names and local chat. I was delighted to get one of the ships. I'm sure anyone competent would mince his setup.
Ah yes same too you, That guy that was chasing me chased me all the way back to my home system... Where I had a trap waiting for him.... He Insta Popped, I never even got on the Killmail :P
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Zappity
Kurved Space
445
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Posted - 2013.09.19 22:14:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Fighting outnumbered always makes things more fun :)
And the best way to do that is to seperate them in one way or another. And it seems like you learned alot about that in the slasher/rifter fight.
Yes, I sure did learn a lot. I think a faction frig will make it easier. You need to be able to capitalise on very short windows of 'gank opportunity' before they realise they are overextended so need to be able to pile it on asap. I'll keep trying - it's only ISK! Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Zappity
Kurved Space
445
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Posted - 2013.09.19 22:17:00 -
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GÇ£1m for the pod!GÇ¥, I cried. Yeah, IGÇÖm cheap. I am trying to establish a reputation for this thread (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3567170) and am offering pod ransoms for low, low prices. Get yours while they last!
After I had killed the E-UNI Rifter that was stuck on the Novice acceleration gate and snared his pod I politely suggested the above deal. No response. What is it with E-UNI people, are they not allowed to talk in local or something? Still no response, so I write GÇ£10sGÇ¥ in local and check the short-scan.
Now I am the first to admit that I had been neglecting d-scan during this fight, and whilst I gave it a cursory glance after catching the pod I didnGÇÖt really pay enough attention. At this point you will unsurprised to learn that a blob made an appearance on short-scan. This is what I did:
Video: http://youtu.be/l7V7dglRj78
That, people, is called GÇÿpanicGÇÖ. My thought process: check the wallet for iskies, nothing yet, check short-scan, oh bother there are some ships, IGÇÖd better get out of here, fumble with bookmarks for the safe (which wasnGÇÖt showing so why didnGÇÖt I just warp away to a random celestial?), FINALLY hit warp and align out, oops my afterburner is still on so this is taking ages, better kill that pod on the way out (haha!), caught, killed.
But at least I got my pod away. Unlike the unista and his 40m worth of implants.
And yes, that was why he didnGÇÖt respond in local. Too busy asking for help. Or perhaps there's a rule about that, too. Unfortunately a pod isnGÇÖt the most sustainable baiting ship! Nevertheless, props to Kwazar Olgidar for getting his revenge. GF and apologies for not posting same in local. IGÇÖm a bit new to this ransoming caper. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Mizhir
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
35108
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Posted - 2013.09.20 08:21:00 -
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I actually think that they got rules against talking in local because they dont want it to cause trouble, but can't really remember.
A nice tip if you want to ransom is to convo the person and then roleplay as a pirate. It will reduce the chance of them throwing a tantrum since they will now view you as a pirate and not a griefer. This will ofc only work against ppl who aren't really used to pvp in this game. We will never forget you Saede!
I bet you dont see things like this so often in EVE |
Zappity
Kurved Space
449
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:13:00 -
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Federation Navy Comet. Zaps is moving up in the world. Well, a little bit anyway.
Lowsec loss: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20598425
Video: http://youtu.be/biWpChVQsKE
This was my first spin in a Comet. And I like it. One thing I have learned is that the best way to get experience is to fight things (see my sig) so when I saw a red Thorax on a gate, why the hell not! ItGÇÖs only ISK after all. Unless you run an evil RMT empire of course.
Well, because a light neutron-fit Thorax is not really a good choice for a frigate. He chomped on me pretty hard from the start despite his guns being unbonused. Still, he was in structure by the time I popped and I made some silly mistakes during the fight so I call that a win, Zappity style.
GÇ£Silly mistakes?GÇ¥, I hear you ask? Well, yes. I should have orbited him with my afterburner on to decrease his tracking and drone damage instead of sitting there like a fool taking full damage. I should have also popped the Exile booster I had in my cargo hold. Perhaps that would have been enough - it was relatively close. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Mizhir
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
35345
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:40:00 -
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If I were you, I would probably switch one of the magstabs for an EANM. It will greatly increase the tank and the dps loss wouldn't really be that big since you have already stacking penalties (2 mods + rigs) on damage. We will never forget you Saede!
I bet you dont see things like this so often in EVE |
Zappity
Kurved Space
449
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Posted - 2013.09.20 22:46:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:If I were you, I would probably switch one of the magstabs for an EANM. It will greatly increase the tank and the loss wouldn't really be that big since you have already stacking penalties (2 mods + rigs) on damage.
Yes, I've changed my fit since. Two mag stabs on a frigate seems to be fail territory - not enough gank added for the tank sacrificed.
I tend to fly aggressively and like to maximise the damage I can apply in what is often a short window before more people arrive. But this fit wasn't worth it. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Zappity
Kurved Space
450
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Posted - 2013.09.21 22:50:00 -
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This is a lengthy post but I wanted to represent a fairly typical solo lowsec experience.
I undock from my Eszur home station in a blasty Incursus, warp to a safe in the middle of the system and check d-scan. A Stiletto and Venture show up but are not in any of the plexes or asteroid fields. Not much going on here so I check dotlan and set a waypoint to a hot system half a dozen jumps away. I warp to the gate but on the way a new pilot enters system, d-scan suggesting he is in a Breacher. The Stiletto is still on scan but the Venture has disappeared. Cancel that jump.
The Breacher is on the gate that I land at. I donGÇÖt know why he has lost his cloak but he doesnGÇÖt run away. In my experience frigates are unwise to aggress on a gate due to the insane tracking of the gate guns and since he is not criminal I donGÇÖt want to engage. I, on the other hand, do have criminal status. Still, the Breacher seems unwilling to pick a fight although he is clearly interested and is slowly approaching.
By this time I have looked him up - a 2010 player who almost certainly has better skills than me. But so does everyone so what the hell! I decide to tempt him a bit by doing a slow manual align then warp to the closest Novice plex. I adjust d-scan to 150,000,000 km and see that he has taken the bait (if you can call it that). But he has landed short of the gate and is about 20 km away. If he is fit with a long point and MWD I could be in trouble but I decide to go for him anyway.
Video: http://youtu.be/l5GiUYLTNsg
My overheated afterburner makes short work of the distance and I close on quickly, switching on the overheated scram, web and guns as soon as possible. I have good range control so I turn the heat off on everything except the guns as I start chipping away at his shield. His drones and rockets are hitting me hard but nothing my reps canGÇÖt take care of. And so he dies but gets his pod away.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20605789
GFs in local (props to PlayerName by the way, and no thatGÇÖs not a typo) before I head back to the station for repairs. Then I head towards my waypoint, checking each system as I go.
A few jumps out I find a Kestrel, Rifter and Slicer in the system. The Slicer and Kestrel and in the same plex so I leave them to it and warp to the Rifter. But the Kestrel has had the same idea and jumps into the plex just ahead of me. If they are in the same corp it will be difficultGǪ
But the Rifter is a spineless farmer and warps away. Or, to be fair, maybe he just doesn't want to fight two frigates at once. I suppose that could be true. Regardless, that leaves me with the Kestrel. I lock him up, chase him down and start applying the deeps. And then after a while I remember I have a drone and set him free.
Whew, what a tank! I will win eventually (I think) but he has some serious shield hp. Nevertheless I keep at it and then check short d-scan.
Oh. Slicer.
In that moment I realise that I have failed to put the fairly simple puzzle together. Slicer and Kestrel in the same plex plus full shield Kestrel equals bait Kestrel.
I align away from the Kestrel to lose the point but by the time I am far enough away the Slicer has landed with a long point and MWD. And I'm screwed.
Oh well. "gf all", I say in local as I warp my pod away and get the same in return. Win some, lose some but it is all good fun.
Admittedly, lowsec is occasionally dead, by which I mean I can only find farmers. But that is the exception in faction warfare regions, especially if you are guided by dotlan or the map. Two good fights in 15 minutes after undocking. Seems reasonable to me! Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Zappity
Kurved Space
456
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:44:00 -
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My first kill in a Comet. Great little ship.
Lowsec kill: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20610865
Blackfrog made their delivery (promptly as always) so I have Comets to spare. And how better to celebrate than to go fight someone? I fit up with rails (125s, AB/web/scram, mag stab/plate/AAR/DC2, two nano pumps and a ROF rig). Four jumps out of Eszur I see an empty Novice plex. Did I say empty? I mean with a Firetail. He must have just arrived - I swear it was empty the first time.
So, a Firetail in a Novice plex. Good stuff. I land on the gate just as he leaves grid for the plex. When I land he is right on top of me. I am fit with rails so I burn away, slowly extending my range and decreasing his damage. Huh, he is hitting hard. I should have overheated my prop.
The initial panic is subsiding so I check the 150 million km short-scan. Arazu. But I forget about him when I realise that I forgot to launch drones. Again. Be free little guys! And since it is time to remember things I also turn FRAPS on.
Video: http://youtu.be/zI_jzJ6DeTU
Yes, his damage has decreased A LOT so I think I can turn of my reps. And then, hah! An escape attempt! I hit approach and overheat the burner and scram and catch him at 8.5 km. Plenty to spare. And then I notice that I forgot to give my drones the attack command. Seriously, they are more trouble than theyGÇÖre worth sometimesGǪ
And so the Firetail dies. But IGÇÖm wary of that Arazu and automatically warp out as soon as he dies. Then, of course, I realise that an Arazu canGÇÖt enter a Novice plex so I head back for the loot. Mmm, tasty, an Assault Frigates skillbook which, unfortunately, I just injected last week. KhashThan Vorrgh was a good sport about the loss and declared spoils to the victor despite the skillbook. GF.
That was REALLY fun. IGÇÖm going to have fun losing these ships! Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
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Zappity
Kurved Space
457
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Posted - 2013.09.24 07:09:00 -
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Oh boy, this multiple-ships caper is a real rush.
I had spotted a few guys in system from the same corp in a Catalyst, Incursus and Kestrel. Things had just wrapped up with a Punisher in the Novice plex (props to Kravasher Prime for a gf by the way) when I saw the Incursus on d-scan. I was already warping out to the station for reps but it looked promising for another fight. I dropped a bookmark a few million from the plex on the way out and came back to it after repairing.
All three ships were on the plex 5 degree scan. I was not keen on the Catalyst but he soon warped away, unable to enter, leaving the Incursus and Kestrel either in the plex or on the gate. Or perhaps using a sneaky safe nearby. Multiple T1 frigates, and they are young characters into the bargain. LetGÇÖs go!
Video: http://youtu.be/tzKfVH5Ef7I
I warped into the plex and saw that the Kestrel was 12km from my position. I figured he was probably rocket fit at that range and my main concern about a kiting LML Kestrel was alleviated. The Incursus was much closer and I guessed blasters.
What would you do?
Well, I burned straight for the Kestrel with overheated afterburner. I figured the Incursus sitting at zero would have trouble applying the dps before I could kill the Kestrel but that the Kestrel would be hitting me the entire time if I went for the Incursus first.
The Kestrel went down reasonably fast and the Incursus only caught up with me when I had broken the KestrelGÇÖs hull (Navigation skills, people). So far so good. The Incursus had started hitting me now but I still had enough paste in my repper to handle him. The blaster Incursus is SOOO much fun.
I didnGÇÖt get either pod but some GFGÇÖs in local led to me sharing a couple of favourite fits. They were just getting their feet wet in PvP so many props to Leigh Loo and Walker Greaves. I chuckled at his last line: GÇ£Thanks for all the tips. And for blowing me up.GÇ¥ Haha!
And the most important thing? I even remembered to use my drone! Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
353
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Posted - 2013.09.24 12:26:00 -
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Set drones to 'Aggressive'; that way they should attack anything you shoot at, or anything that attacks you (or them).
Note that they ARE drones and sometimes forget to attack, even when on Aggressive, so get used to using that newfangled radial menu to sic 'em on Da Enemies. Also, drone attack hotkey is F.
*waits for ISKies*
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Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
89089
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Posted - 2013.09.24 12:50:00 -
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Set drones to 'Aggressive'
May work in Plexs but watch on gates are your Drones Engage the Sentry guns :D
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Zappity
Kurved Space
457
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Posted - 2013.09.24 13:11:00 -
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Yes, I use F and the other hot keys now. I deliberately set them to passive after they attacked someone who aggressed me on a gate. I then had aggression and couldn't jump.
Might give it another go. Or just remember in future... Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Mizhir
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
35731
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Posted - 2013.09.24 14:19:00 -
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I prefer to set drones on passive so it doesn't **** up and give me agression timer when I try to split something over a gate. You can often trick ppl into thinking that you agressed by launching drones. But if your drones are agressive you will be agressed when the enemies are opening fire against you. We will never forget you Saede!
I bet you dont see things like this so often in EVE |
Zappity
Kurved Space
462
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Posted - 2013.09.25 09:46:00 -
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Blasty Comet vs Firetail. Props to William ZZ for a good fight. This is a brief post lacking the usual story but this was a special request - he wanted to see this fight from my perspective! William ZZ tried dual webs on my Blasty Comet and IGÇÖm not sure why he didnGÇÖt nail me with range control to be honest. I thought it would have had a much larger effect on speed.
Video: http://youtu.be/KjqQDEhA8Yo
I need to go do some mathGǪ Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2042
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Posted - 2013.09.25 14:59:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Blasty Comet vs Firetail. Props to William ZZ for a good fight. This is a brief post lacking the usual story but this was a special request - he wanted to see this fight from my perspective! William ZZ tried dual webs on my Blasty Comet and IGÇÖm not sure why he didnGÇÖt nail me with range control to be honest. I thought it would have had a much larger effect on speed. Video: http://youtu.be/KjqQDEhA8YoI need to go do some mathGǪ Knife fight in a closet. Fast, brutal,and done. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Zappity
Kurved Space
464
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Posted - 2013.09.25 23:16:00 -
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That's right - blasters arenGÇÖt exactly subtle!
OK, math done. Wall of numbers incoming. I think I have this rightGǪ
Level 5 skills Firetail with 400mm plate and Afterburner II ONLY = 1232 m/s | 1848 m/s (heat). Level 5 skills Comet with 200mm plate and Afterburner II ONLY = 1233 m/s | 1849 m/s.
So they are pretty much the same base speed with those plates fitted. Apply webs at 60% reduction (meta 4 or Tech 2):
Firetail webbed x1 = 493 m/s | 739 m/s vs Comet webbed x1 = 493 m/s | 739 m/s Comet webbed x2 = 236 m/s | 354 m/s
So if the Firetail does not overheat whilst the Comet does we get 493 vs 354. Now assume that the Firetail is not using the meta 4 web but instead using two X5s (which he was):
Firetail webbed x1 = 493 m/s | 739 m/s (unchanged) vs Comet webbed x1 = 524 m/s | 786 m/s Comet webbed x2 = 262 m/s | 393 m/s
Now it is 493 vs 393. Over the course of a 20 second fight (which this was) that is only 2km range pulled. Well within Neutron CNAM falloff.
Assume a few Navigation skill advantages on the Comet (my velocity- and agility-related skills are all at 5 but I doubt a three month old character would be) plus some extra speed penalties from the Firetail fitting (eg armour rigs) and we have the explanation for the outcome in the video.
However, letGÇÖs also look at implants. Assume the Comet is fit with a low-grade Snake set plus ZorGÇÖs hyperlink, again using the X5s on the Firetail but the meta 4 on the Comet:
Firetail webbed x1 = 493 m/s | 739 m/s (unchanged) vs Comet webbed x1 = 627 m/s | 940 m/s Comet webbed x2 = 314 m/s | 470 m/s
I guess implants are pretty powerful: 493 vs 470. I guess the verdict is clear: if you rely on double webs to control range then you must maximise your speed advantage. This means overheating your prop mod until you are at the range you need and using the best webs you can. That 2.5% makes a real difference. And I'm not just saying that because I have a stack of them in Jita! Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:12:00 -
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Zappity wrote:I guess the verdict is clear: if you rely on double webs to control range then you must maximise your speed advantage. This means overheating your prop mod until you are at the range you need and using the best webs you can. That 2.5% makes a real difference. Good analysis. Thank you!
Quote: And I'm not just saying that because I have a stack of them in Jita! Though that certainly doesn't hurt, I'm sure.
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Zappity
Kurved Space
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:20:00 -
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More multiple opponent goodness. I hopped through a gate to see a Rifter and Condor on the other side. Judging by the number of drones strewn about I think they have just killed someone. I hold cloak and watch the Condor warp away. There is another pilot from their corp in system and, yes, he lands in a Slicer.
I don't want to fight a Slicer and a Rifter at the same time and yet I am unwilling to give up the possibility of a fight just yet. I crash the gate, getting aggro from the Slicer who has taken advantage of my suspect status.
The Rifter doesn't follow me so I jump back through the gate again and warp to a safe. The Slicer leaves the gate and the Rifter is just warping away as the Condor and I land on the gate. I have no idea what they are doing. I suspect they don't either.
I lock the Condor but don't aggress. He jumps and I immediately follow, holding cloak on the other side. The Condor decloaks 15km away and I burn at him. He actually approaches me although whether due to a misclick or as a result of his keenness to make the tackle I donGÇÖt know.
Have I mentioned that I dislike Condors?
Lock, scram, web and he just falls apart under my blasters. I am expecting the rest of the team any second and they don't disappoint. However, I have a speed advantage over both the Slicer and Rifter and they can't hold me for long as my alignment to the sun (yeah, I know) extends my lead.
My selection of such an obvious warp target results in the Rifter following hot on my heels. But I am not in any real danger now. During warp I contemplate having a go at the Rifter but decide that my modules are uncomfortably hot.
I warp to a safe as soon as I land and give a gf in local. Stony silence! "No gf?", I ask after a few moments. "How rude. Hehe." Sorry lads...
Fighting gangs is great. They seem to have a sense of invincibility and a subsequent lack of caution that can be exploited. I think I have found the next stage in my PvP development. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
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