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powdemonic Ellecon
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2013.09.09 10:19:00 -
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at the moment I see no use for a rorqual I would like to see them HS as no one would take a rorqual to provide mining support ccp if you see this post capital industrial ships could probably be made to use in high sec I want a rorqual to have a use other than siting in a pos |
Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2013.09.09 10:23:00 -
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It does have a use other than sitting in a pos. In fact it has several other uses.
You should try harder. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Cryten Jones
Chill Cabal Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2013.09.09 10:28:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:It does have a use other than sitting in a pos. In fact it has several other uses.
You should try harder.
While I agree.. are the actually mining related :-)
-CJ
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Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2013.09.09 10:48:00 -
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powdemonic Ellecon wrote:at the moment I see no use for a rorqual I would like to see them HS as no one would take a rorqual to provide mining support ccp if you see this post capital industrial ships could probably be made to use in high sec I want a rorqual to have a use other than siting in a pos Very convincing and well thought argument! I really like your points and reasoning! You must be very..........special, yeah special! Hell, you even got the right part of the forums where you place Features and Ideas I'm currently taking bets on the following: - CCP Games becomes EA Games' property. - EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.09 10:50:00 -
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It tansforms!!
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sycore101
Sensri
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Posted - 2013.09.09 10:53:00 -
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Rorquals in hi-sec would only waste away what little mining is left in hi-sec. |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
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Posted - 2013.09.09 10:58:00 -
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Chribba wrote:It tansforms!!
Tans, verb Convert (animal skin) into leather by soaking in a liquid containing tannic acid, or by the use of other chemicals.
Mighty versatile ship a rorqual is.
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
20188
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:00:00 -
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sycore101 wrote:Rorquals in hi-sec would only waste away what little mining is left in hi-sec.
True... if anything, make the Orca more versitile/usable, then we don't need a this "factory" in high-sec.
...but yea: Features and Ideas THIS way >>> "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:11:00 -
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powdemonic Ellecon wrote:at the moment I see no use for punctuation
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:17:00 -
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Can we please leave a few things to strive for, that exist outside of highsec, for mining? I don't want to sound mean or anything, but at times, the dedicated highsec mining crew seems to have this "Right now gimme!" entitlement issue.
Leave the Rorq in null where it belongs. It's the industrial equivalent of a supercarrier.
That is, unless you want to let us bring other supers into high. Avatar highsec DD ganksquad is a go...... Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:19:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Can we please leave a few things to strive for, that exist outside of highsec, for mining? I don't want to sound mean or anything, but at times, the dedicated highsec mining crew seems to have this "Right now gimme!" entitlement issue.
Leave the Rorq in null where it belongs. It's the industrial equivalent of a supercarrier.
That is, unless you want to let us bring other supers into high. Avatar highsec DD ganksquad is a go...... Yeah like the null sec crowd don't have the same but more extreme form of entitlement, despite making up only 25% of the subscriptions.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:24:00 -
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Rorquals and Orcas need to be moved out of Pos shields and stay on grid to give boosts. That is the only fair thing to do. CCP needs to level the field again!
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9332
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:25:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Chribba wrote:It tansforms!! Tans, verb Convert (animal skin) into leather by soaking in a liquid containing tannic acid, or by the use of other chemicals. Mighty versatile ship a rorqual is. So we're in agreement then?
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
20188
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:26:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Yeah like the null sec crowd don't have the same but more extreme form of entitlement, despite making up only 25% of the subscriptions.
True, aside from the fact that we pesky "high-sec miners" (and most other aspects of industry, for that matter) got the short end of the stick for years, despite all the complains... because we got some attention the last couple of months, doesn't mean everything is fine now.
We still don't have enough versatility and ships to cover all aspects of the industrial way of play...
Still, the Rorqual is fine right now, we just need more options coverall. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:26:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Can we please leave a few things to strive for, that exist outside of highsec, for mining? I don't want to sound mean or anything, but at times, the dedicated highsec mining crew seems to have this "Right now gimme!" entitlement issue.
Leave the Rorq in null where it belongs. It's the industrial equivalent of a supercarrier.
That is, unless you want to let us bring other supers into high. Avatar highsec DD ganksquad is a go...... Yeah like the null sec crowd don't have the same but more extreme form of entitlement, despite making up only 25% of the subscriptions.
How so? When it comes to the industrial arena, I've seen plenty of nullsec complaints, but they're backed by hard numbers.
Dedicated highsec miners have been given a ton of concessions in the past few updates. Some warranted, some not, IMHO.
For a group that really doesn't contribute to the overall EVE experience, there seems to be a ton of complaints from that department.
(Yes, I know, minerals make my ship. Those minerals can be acquired from elsewhere. Watch how fast gun mining comes back, if a mineral crash messes too much with PVP.) Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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arria Auscent
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:32:00 -
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our corp uses ours to give out free clones, no need for it to be in high sec |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
20189
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:43:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:For a group that really doesn't contribute to the overall EVE experience, there seems to be a ton of complaints from that department.
(Yes, I know, minerals make my ship. Those minerals can be acquired from elsewhere. Watch how fast gun mining comes back, if a mineral crash messes too much with PVP.)
See? And that's one of the things... no, the most important thing... that never has been addressed by CCP at all. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
brinelan
The Flying Dead Insidious Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:55:00 -
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powdemonic Ellecon wrote:at the moment I see no use for a rorqual I would like to see them HS as no one would take a rorqual to provide mining support ccp if you see this post capital industrial ships could probably be made to use in high sec I want a rorqual to have a use other than siting in a pos
So to have it go in to hisec, what are you going to give up.. perfect refine in almost every station? jump drive? compression? oh wait, then its just an orca with a cool animation and a ship bay that only accepts mining and industrial ships lol. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
426
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Posted - 2013.09.09 12:00:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:For a group that really doesn't contribute to the overall EVE experience, there seems to be a ton of complaints from that department.
(Yes, I know, minerals make my ship. Those minerals can be acquired from elsewhere. Watch how fast gun mining comes back, if a mineral crash messes too much with PVP.) See? And that's one of the things... no, the most important thing... that never has been addressed by CCP at all.
Ohh c'mon, you were around for drone poop. We didn't even need miners back then, you could just reprocess alloys for anything needed.
Honestly, what do highsec miners want? It's brutal, but highsec mining is the absolute lowest of the low resource gathering. It's the equivalent of running around the newbie zones of other MMOGs, harvesting low-level mats for crafting. It will always be a bad way to make in-game currency, unless done en-masse with multiple accounts. Hell, even the in-game flavor text makes jokes about how you can get rich on an ore, if you mine it 24/7 and live to extremely old age. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Dosan Yvormes
TAX EVASION NONE FOR CHU
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Posted - 2013.09.09 12:17:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:For a group that really doesn't contribute to the overall EVE experience, there seems to be a ton of complaints from that department.
(Yes, I know, minerals make my ship. Those minerals can be acquired from elsewhere. Watch how fast gun mining comes back, if a mineral crash messes too much with PVP.) See? And that's one of the things... no, the most important thing... that never has been addressed by CCP at all. Ohh c'mon, you were around for drone poop. We didn't even need miners back then, you could just reprocess alloys for anything needed. Honestly, what do highsec miners want? It's brutal, but highsec mining is the absolute lowest of the low resource gathering. It's the equivalent of running around the newbie zones of other MMOGs, harvesting low-level mats for crafting. It will always be a bad way to make in-game currency, unless done en-masse with multiple accounts. Hell, even the in-game flavor text makes jokes about how you can get rich on an ore, if you mine it 24/7 and live to extremely old age.
I am not a miner but have been in the past when I first started playing EVE Online nearly a year ago now and it was FUN for the first couple of months. I was making millions and covered my account subscription. 1. You should not, in such a harsh and inconsiderate way, disregard a section of a SANDBOX game. 2. You have a bad case of null sec warrioritis. 3. Yes there are other ways of doing it, however there are people willing and wanting to do it the way it is now.. It is a profession in eve. (No matter how many accounts you use.)
Now back to the OPs point of making the Rorq a High-Sec boat, why are you asking for that to happen? - Some people and yes many people use them to great success in null sec and the mechanic for them at the moment is fine. The in POS shields is a bit iffy but then you have to understand that there has to be some sort of protection for just some harmless little mining booster. ;) haha
All in all... Just lose the 'null sec is everything' attitude. However for the Rorq, you will want that sort of space to really use it to its most effect. Giving it High-Sec abilities will just create problems. |
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
20194
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Posted - 2013.09.09 12:29:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Honestly, what do highsec miners want? It's brutal, but highsec mining is the absolute lowest of the low resource gathering. It's the equivalent of running around the newbie zones of other MMOGs, harvesting low-level mats for crafting.
Sure, and camping every 0.4 gate/station and ganking high-sec miners is lame, cheap newby PvP... your point being? It's suppoed to be a sandbox, no?
High-sec mining is a profession like any other. True, the risk/reward ratio is abit off, that's a given. but it's a still a valid way of playing the game... one that is far to underrated, because it's boring and not really a part of "the bigger picture" of EVE... which it should be.
But yea, the question is: What has the Rorq to offer that could, or could not be covered by other means? "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
426
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Posted - 2013.09.09 12:56:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Honestly, what do highsec miners want? It's brutal, but highsec mining is the absolute lowest of the low resource gathering. It's the equivalent of running around the newbie zones of other MMOGs, harvesting low-level mats for crafting. Sure, and camping every 0.4 gate/station and ganking high-sec miners is lame, cheap newby PvP... your point being? It's suppoed to be a sandbox, no? High-sec mining is a profession like any other. True, the risk/reward ratio is abit off, that's a given. but it's a still a valid way of playing the game... one that is far to underrated, because it's boring and not really a part of "the bigger picture" of EVE... which it should be. But yea, the question is: What has the Rorq to offer that could, or could not be covered by other means?
Good point, yeah. Highsec mining tends to bring out the passion on both sides of the line. Agree to disagree and such.
The only things the rorq can do that the orca can't is clone vat, and compression. Clone vat isn't really needed in high, and compression should stay in null.
In the end, you have a less useful Orca that costs more to fly around. (Orca flight bay isn't industrial ship specific.) Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
563
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Posted - 2013.09.09 13:58:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Good point, yeah. Highsec mining tends to bring out the passion on both sides of the line. Agree to disagree and such.
The only things the rorq can do that the orca can't is clone vat, and compression. Clone vat isn't really needed in high, and compression should stay in null.
In the end, you have a less useful Orca that costs more to fly around. (Orca flight bay isn't industrial ship specific.)
I imagine that what the OP wants is maxed out deployed rorq boosts, which are considerably better than orca boosts. But then that's why you can't have it in high sec. If you refuse to risk you ships, then you shouldn't get the best rewards. High sec miners can stick with peasant boosts and safety. If they want the rorq, concord has to go. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
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Posted - 2013.09.09 14:32:00 -
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Rorqual makes a great transport for stuff. Maybe not assembled ships, but I always use mine to ferry stuff from 0.0 up to low sec. Especially ore, loot from ratting and so on. Cheaper than a Jump Freighter, and can actually defend itself up to a point. Battle Rorquals can be quite effective if set up correctly since they have a great drone bonus. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
20198
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Posted - 2013.09.09 14:59:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:The only things the rorq can do that the orca can't is clone vat, and compression. Clone vat isn't really needed in high, and compression should stay in null.
Hm... not quite sure I can agree there. Sure, the reason why the Rorq has all that in one ship is: It's a mining cap/mobile base, of sorts... but why should those specific mechanics be high-sec exclusive?
Compression: The biggest advantage of high sec miners is mass... they can field many ships with ease and in relative security to mine on a larger scale... something low/null-sec mining gangs can rarely do (yea yea, SOV/wormhole space, I know, not my point)... of course, they shouldn't have to do so, since low/null-sec mining is (read: shouldn't be) more lucrative...
So, in theory... - High-sec mining - more ships/longer ops, but inferior hauling/boosting capacity and less lucrative roids - Low/null sec mining - smaller number of ships, shorter/more dangerous ops, but mobile mining base (with copression and superior boosting) and better roids ...right?
My idea: If we want to "import" compression from the Rorqual, it should not be added as a feature to an existing ship, but be the base of a completly new, ORE factory ship... kinda like the Orca, with lesser cargo cargo space and without a maintenance bay, but with a compression plant instead.
As for the clone vat bay: Yea, well... while it would be fun to have some kind of "hospital ship" for that, I doubt it's usefulness. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
564
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Posted - 2013.09.09 15:09:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:My idea: If we want to "import" compression from the Rorqual, it should not be added as a feature to an existing ship, but be the base of a completly new, ORE factory ship... kinda like the Orca, with lesser cargo cargo space and without a maintenance bay, but with a compression plant instead. As for the clone vat bay: Yea, well... while it would be fun to have some kind of "hospital ship" for that, I doubt it's usefulness. You realise that compression is not what high seccers want though right? Rorquals compression is an ore based lossy compression. It loses you some of the minerals, but it's to help you mine in places you don;t have a refinery and easily ship to a refinery. High sec has a decent refinery in most constellations, so unless you suck at picking your mining location, you'll have a nearby refinery. Once it's in mineral form compression is done through manufacture, not in a rorq, then it's shipped by freighters. You also don't need a clone vat bay in high sec, as you have no need to jump to a rorq.
There's plenty of corps that allow you to install jump clones anywhere free of charge.
Shipping is not an issue, because you can (relatively) safely use a freighter to ship ore is massive volumes.
This leads to the conclusion that the thing high seccers want from the rorq is the superior boosting ability, so they can pull more m3/hour in high sec, further diminishing the usefulness of low/null sec mining.
Honestly, with the new ore changes dumping pockets of high end or in high sec at random, and the barge/exhumer improvements, high sec mining is already too powerful at low risk. And it only takes a quick glance at the trend of tritanium (or most minerals to be honest) to see that. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.09.09 15:21:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Chribba wrote:It tansforms!! Tans, verb Convert (animal skin) into leather by soaking in a liquid containing tannic acid, or by the use of other chemicals. Mighty versatile ship a rorqual is.
Well, I guess technically when you compress your minerals it would similiar... lol
Chribba got overly excited about the Rorqual it seems. "But my favourite visual experience in Eve was a pipebombing run on a digital projector. Sure, the aliasing can never match the perfection of a 2160p image - but you can't beat a five metre space volcano on your wall." - Lord Maldoror(RnK)
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.09.09 15:24:00 -
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There's absolutely no need for or reason to bring the Rorq into highsec, and if it were allowed in, it would have to be nerfed into something much smaller and less capable anyway, which would probably just **** off all Rorq owners.
So maybe the best solution would be to create a new, smaller ship. They could even name it after some smaller kind of cetacean. Like the Porpoise, or maybe the Orca. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
20198
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Posted - 2013.09.09 15:25:00 -
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@ Lucas: I didn't say it was a great idea, just an idea to make some of the Rorqs features work in high-sec... are those really needed? I dunno... most likely not. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2013.09.09 15:29:00 -
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Here's the godhonest truth why highsec miners want a Rorq. Sure, we break it down and everything but it all boils down to:
They have something I can't have, it's not fair.
Shalua Rui, I do like that idea of a hospital ship, that's kinda nifty. Drop it in F&I, maybe it'll go somewhere. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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