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Marsan
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:00:00 -
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What is the Eagle's role? It's not a sniper as any large rail BS, or BC does it better. Not to mention sentry drones. I guess I could fit it with Blasters, but it lacks a utility high, it's kinda slow, and the damage doesn't seem very good. What am I missing? Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Starbuck05
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Innovia Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:22:00 -
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If all else fails,strap 3 lasb's + a cyno! So u can bring ur friends in the real pvp ships to come play |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2013.09.09 16:47:00 -
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I believe the idea is to use it as a small and very tough fleet unit, using its EHP, resists, sig and logi support to outlast ABCs. 482 DPS at 47/20 km, 83k EHP in gang. If you want a MWD then you lose a CFDE.
Certainly it seems to compare well to the Zealot in this role. Whether the role itself is useful remains to be seen...
[Eagle, Rail] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
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Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
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Marsan
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:38:00 -
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But why not use a Battle Ship with rails or Sentry Drones. The large rails have better dps, better range and can hit small ships surprisingly well at range. Sentry Drones are just plain better in all respects other than restricting movement. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Berendas
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
495
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:43:00 -
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I was really hoping that 1.1 would breathe new life into the Eagle, but it's still utter crap. |
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
223
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Posted - 2013.09.09 19:12:00 -
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Marsan wrote:But why not use a Battle Ship with rails or Sentry Drones. The large rails have better dps, better range and can hit small ships surprisingly well at range. Sentry Drones are just plain better in all respects other than restricting movement.
because battleships are slow. A lot of the time you want something that is much faster and can align in a reasonable time when you are running fleets in lowsec. And you said it yourself, restricting movement, I can't remember the last time we had a fleet that didn't constantly move around.
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
915
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Posted - 2013.09.09 20:37:00 -
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Quote:But why not use a Battle Ship with rails or Sentry Drones. The large rails have better dps, better range and can hit small ships surprisingly well at range. Sentry Drones are just plain better in all respects other than restricting movement.
They absolutely cannot hit small ships "surprisingly well" unless the small ships in question are stationary and/or moving right at you. |
Trinkets friend
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:42:00 -
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The rail Eagle has slightly better tank than a Naga, and slightly better tracking. But it costs almost exactly twice as much and has less alpha. YOLO is the Carpe Diem of Gen Y http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Sochin
Reikoku The Retirement Club
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:06:00 -
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A very long time ago, the Eagle used to be sick at sniping tacklers from stupid ranges. A couple Eagles in a snipe spot could pick off a lot of support as they closed range during a fleet fight. Very different tactics back then, and I think the optimal range bonuses got nerfed or something. Been too long to recall. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
916
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:07:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:The rail Eagle has slightly better tank than a Naga, and slightly better tracking. But it costs almost exactly twice as much and has less alpha.
what the **** are you talking about.
First off, the base tracking speed of a 250mm rail is fully twice that of 425mm rails.
Secondly, the signature resolution of large turrets is more than three times that of medium turrets.
The Eagle has an effective tracking speed of more than six times that of the Naga. |
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Dato Koppla
Veni Vidi Evassi The Barking Nexus Chommy Alliance
285
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:48:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:The rail Eagle has slightly better tank than a Naga, and slightly better tracking. But it costs almost exactly twice as much and has less alpha. what the **** are you talking about. First off, the base tracking speed of a 250mm rail is fully twice that of 425mm rails. Secondly, the signature resolution of large turrets is more than three times that of medium turrets. The Eagle has an effective tracking speed of more than six times that of the Naga.
Also, 'slightly better tank' is the understatement of the century, T2 resists + resist bonus + smaller sig leads to having a much bigger tank. |
Crellion
Parental Control
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:07:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Kahega Amielden wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:The rail Eagle has slightly better tank than a Naga, and slightly better tracking. But it costs almost exactly twice as much and has less alpha. what the **** are you talking about. First off, the base tracking speed of a 250mm rail is fully twice that of 425mm rails. Secondly, the signature resolution of large turrets is more than three times that of medium turrets. The Eagle has an effective tracking speed of more than six times that of the Naga. Also, 'slightly better tank' is the understatement of the century, T2 resists + resist bonus + smaller sig leads to having a much bigger tank.
In fact there is a sunergy there. 6 times better tracking allows for high orbit mwding around battleship fleet while actually hitting them and they cant hit you (say for example Megas)...
People are still coming to terms with what the Eagle now has become. I bought and fitted 20 on patch day but my corpies are still on bloody hollydays... darn hard working Greeks and all that.... |
Hatsumi Kobayashi
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
269
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:17:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Whether the role itself is useful remains to be seen...
Well both on paper and in practice it works well, but like you say the problem is being "useful", due to better or easier-to-execute alternatives. STANDING ON THE VERGE OF PROLAPSE |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:37:00 -
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Marsan wrote:What is the Eagle's role? It's role appears to be role model for jokes about bad ships ;)
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:41:00 -
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[Eagle, The Eagle has landed.]
Internal Force Field Array I Nanofiber Internal Structure II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400 Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
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Hatsumi Kobayashi
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
270
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Posted - 2013.09.11 05:50:00 -
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Bertrand Butler wrote:[Eagle, overly expensive badfit.]
Internal Force Field Array I Nanofiber Internal Structure II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400 Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1201
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:49:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:I believe the idea is to use it as a small and very tough fleet unit, using its EHP, resists, sig and logi support to outlast ABCs. 482 DPS at 47/20 km, 83k EHP in gang. If you want a MWD then you lose a CFDE.
Certainly it seems to compare well to the Zealot in this role. Whether the role itself is useful remains to be seen...
[Eagle, Rail] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN Afterburner II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Excellent point of view.
Eagle is not a bad ship anymore, whoever thinks this can't see further than his nose. As you just said this ship combines some very strong points that are good trade offs for their main weakness:speed It's a very tough ship, imho better suited for blaster use (2x range bonus+blasters natural tracking advantage) however since med rails tremendous buff they are probably very good with a DCU II full dmg mods AB/SE/Invuln and tp/TC to pown those ABCs having 1/3rd of their HP and twice the sign radius.
In solo/small gang it's probably the toughest HAC with SAC but requiring another level of playing management than zipzap all around or "shooting from here", very good ships imho.
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Battlingbean
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2013.09.12 08:51:00 -
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You aren't missing anything. The ship is crap compared to the other HACs. |
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