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Aya Shinomiya
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:26:00 -
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Hi there,
Maybe some of you know this problem with MMOs: You want to choose your preferred name for your character but it is already in use. So you try again and again and again ... . To avoid this player use numbers in names or other symbols or x-es (xXCoolManXx) or stuff like this. I personally was never a fan of this. What a postive surprise than that EVE Online offers you the possibility to set every possible combination of fore- and surnames for you character so everyone can name them and combine names how they want. Not like in some other 0815-MMOs where no spaces are allowed or only one capital letter. Pretty annoying in my eyes.
So, if you have all possibilities to choose a suitable name even with some nicks like 'James "Big Jim" Rennie' (I like that guy *cough*) for instance, why you still use numbers? Maybe I am known as 'The guy who criticises everything' in this form. Okay. I am sorry. But I wonder. I have never seen the possibility to set a real name in a game. Why not using it?
So, my suggestion:
- Allowing only letters and quotation marks (for nicks) in the names and
- every name after a space or at the beginning should start with a capital letter
so that stuff like 'bob McKenzie' for instance not happens. Apart from that everything is allowed.
EVE Online treat the characters like digital humans and they can walk around etc.. But no human would call themself 'J4m3s' or James56 or '0983James' or stuff like this. In my opinion it breaks a little bit the atmosphere of the game. And guys ... you are much more creative than this. The fact that CCP gives us the possibility to set fore- and surname sounds a little bit like that they want to have characters with 'real' names. Just my interpretation. Exception for the CCP guys with their cool names of course.
So, what do you think? This is absolutly no offence against the guys with the numbers in names. Only a suggestion from me to improve the game's already good and mature atmosphere.
Best regards. |
Phaade
Debitum Naturae
98
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:27:00 -
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3191
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:45:00 -
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Maybe some pilots prefer to go by "callsigns" or "pilot registration number"... you know... for "privacy" reasons.
Or maybe they see the game as something technically challenging and don't care about immersion one bit?
Then there is substance abuse and poor decision making. Why would you want to stop that? Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Aya Shinomiya
State War Academy Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:09:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Maybe some pilots prefer to go by "callsigns" or "pilot registration number"... you know... for "privacy" reasons.
Or maybe they see the game as something technically challenging and don't care about immersion one bit?
Then there is substance abuse and poor decision making. Why would you want to stop that?
As I said, because of the atmosphere. I do not want to insult people. But I would like to see some interesting names and not such nonsense. I see EVE Online as an evolving SciFi universe with real people playing digital characters and creating the history of this universe. And if something interesting and cool happens I would like to hear from charackters with credible sounding names which are part of this story and not "'Pilot registration number' makes a mad maneuver, kills his opponent and won the battle."
This point about the poor decision I heard before. But do you do not think about what you are doing (not you in person)? Of course, many people do not care of their character names and type some nonsens because they want to play. But they should invest some minutes to think about their names because they cannot change it anymore. |
Amarisen Gream
Methana Solutions
1
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:20:00 -
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To add to this. Taking a hint from how Blizzard does it. Each Character is given an id # on the back end of the game.
So there could be 100 Amarisen Gream's but when the game makes each one, it adds a # that isn't seen by players to that toon. So the game knows who is who. Just my 1 isk for thought xoxo Amarisen Gream
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
303
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:22:00 -
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Quote: why you still use numbers? Not-a-Bot0001, Not-a-Bot0002... Not-a-Bot5756... Not-a-Bot9999. Helps to identify enemies in local easier i think. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3191
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Posted - 2013.09.10 23:43:00 -
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So your issue is a personal one then OP?
Sorry... i don't see that as a good enough reason to limit peoples' choices. Just as people perform actions in-game that you may or may not like, so too will people choose names that you may or may not find palatable. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2013.09.11 03:31:00 -
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If you don't want to see them, turn off local. |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
126
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Posted - 2013.09.11 05:33:00 -
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xXdeep throatXx
Yeah sounds better! |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2013.09.11 06:54:00 -
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In New Eden we are in the age where transhumanism is no longer a thing of the future, we have computers directly interfacing with our brains. As such names that are easy to spell and say are no longer a relevant thing, while I too like the classic two part capitalized first letter such a thing has no place in the role of cyberhuman capsuleers.
Eve is not like other MMO's and in particular you cant compare them to any MMO that is stuck in the middle ages with castles and kings other pleasantries.
We are soldiers that go by codenames. Soldiers that have no fears. No fear is related to the lack of respect others can impose on us. Such pleasantries as old traditional names have several reasons why they don't and shouldn't exist as a rule.
Adults game, but in here we are immortals and we don't give a damn about your social norms
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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suid0
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
63
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Posted - 2013.09.11 07:32:00 -
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So you first praise EVE for allowing people to name their characters however they wish... then suggest that freedom be removed..
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no the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones -á--áCommander Ted |
William Bradley
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:15:00 -
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Aya Shinomiya wrote:Hi there, Maybe some of you know this problem with MMOs: You want to choose your preferred name for your character but it is already in use. So you try again and again and again ... . To avoid this player use numbers in names or other symbols or x-es (xXCoolManXx) or stuff like this. I personally was never a fan of this. What a postive surprise than that EVE Online offers you the possibility to set every possible combination of fore- and surnames for you character so everyone can name them and combine names how they want. Not like in some other 0815-MMOs where no spaces are allowed or only one capital letter. Pretty annoying in my eyes. So, if you have all possibilities to choose a suitable name even with some nicks like 'James "Big Jim" Rennie' (I like that guy *cough*) for instance, why you still use numbers? Maybe I am known as 'The guy who criticises everything' in this form. Okay. I am sorry. But I wonder. I have never seen the possibility to set a real name in a game. Why not using it? So, my suggestion:
- Allowing only letters and quotation marks (for nicks) in the names and
- every name after a space or at the beginning should start with a capital letter
so that stuff like 'bob McKenzie' for instance not happens. Apart from that everything is allowed. EVE Online treat the characters like digital humans and they can walk around etc.. But no human would call themself 'J4m3s' or James56 or '0983James' or stuff like this. In my opinion it breaks a little bit the atmosphere of the game. And guys ... you are much more creative than this. The fact that CCP gives us the possibility to set fore- and surname sounds a little bit like that they want to have characters with 'real' names. Just my interpretation. Exception for the CCP guys with their cool names of course. So, what do you think? This is absolutly no offence against the guys with the numbers in names. Only a suggestion from me to improve the game's already good and mature atmosphere. Best regards. I completely sympathize with your overall point, and agree with a lot of it, but that's primarily because I'm a gamer who grew up with MUDs as my generation's version of the MMO where the concept of assuming a character's role and point of view (i.e., roleplaying) was not only commonplace but also directly enforced by those game's administrations.
However, roleplaying in and of itself has pretty much been lost on the vast majority of gamers these days; particularly the sort of gamers that grew up around games like World of Warcraft, Call of Duty, Maplestory, and so on. So to say to such a player that they should use a "sensible" name that a real person might have is a foreign concept to them. They're used to having and using names like "c4pt4in butt3rsk0tch" and being surrounded by other people with names like that and nobody among them ever thinking anything was wrong or weird about it, so that has sadly become ingrained in them as "how it should be".
EVE Online is known for having roots in the MUD culture, at least originally, and much of it you can still see represented in parts of the core design such as missions which are often broken up into "rooms". However, as much as the CCP devs give us the means to have a more in-character game experience, such as having players choose a character's first/last names at creation, I doubt they're going to go as far as introducing name content restrictions similar in idea to what you suggest simply because they're far more focused on their revenue anymore and they don't want to risk alienating the aforementioned sort of gamers that flat-out don't care what their character's names are.
Arya Regnar wrote:In New Eden we are in the age where transhumanism is no longer a thing of the future, we have computers directly interfacing with our brains. As such names that are easy to spell and say are no longer a relevant thing, while I too like the classic two part capitalized first letter such a thing has no place in the role of cyberhuman capsuleers. Eve is not like other MMO's and in particular you cant compare them to any MMO that is stuck in the middle ages with castles and kings other pleasantries. We are soldiers that go by codenames. Soldiers that have no fears. No fear is related to the lack of respect others can impose on us. Such pleasantries as old traditional names have several reasons why they don't and shouldn't exist as a rule. Adults game, but in here we are immortals and we don't give a damn about your social norms Your logic on the matter is actually very deeply flawed, and would not be the case for a world such as EVE's were it to be one that actually existed. Names are and always will be an integral and necessary component of the Human experience, and every society will always have some kind of set of rules governing what names are and are not acceptable and under what conditions.
This is because, on a fundamental level, we are but organic machines interfacing with one another through commonly accepted communication protocols; and, anyone familiar with the mechanics of communication will know that the creation and adherence to protocols is the crux of what allows successful communication to occur and continue to occur in the future. Because we adhere to communication protocols (i.e., languages) it then also goes that the names we choose and use must also be sensible and adhere to some similar set of rules so that our names can be clearly communicated to and understood by other people.
Even in a future where Humans have become integrated with machines, the social underpinnings relating to names are highly unlikely to change. There will always be people picking ridiculous names in the real world - it goes on even today - but such persons are mere fringe cases, and they very often are the targets of common and frequent ridicule because of it. |
m3talc0re X
Solar Revolutions Co.
153
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:20:00 -
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You trying to say that you don't like my name? |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
124
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:40:00 -
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William Bradley wrote:Your logic on the matter is actually very deeply flawed, and would not be the case for a world such as EVE's were it to be one that actually existed. Names are and always will be an integral and necessary component of the Human experience, and every society will always have some kind of set of rules governing what names are and are not acceptable and under what conditions. This is because, on a fundamental level, we are but organic machines interfacing with one another through commonly accepted communication protocols; and, anyone familiar with the mechanics of communication will know that the creation and adherence to protocols is the crux of what allows successful communication to occur and continue to occur in the future. Because we adhere to communication protocols (i.e., languages) it then also goes that the names we choose and use must also be sensible and adhere to some similar set of rules so that our names can be clearly communicated to and understood by other people. Even in a future where Humans have become integrated with machines, the social underpinnings relating to names are highly unlikely to change. There will always be people picking ridiculous names in the real world - it goes on even today - but such persons are mere fringe cases, and they very often are the targets of common and frequent ridicule because of it. I guess you are one of those people that think entire universe revolves around our tiny human existence.
I'm not one of them.
Ethics, morality and social norms are relative to the mental capabilities and process of thought. When the latter changes so does the rest.
And implants would change a lot, as would immortality.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Aya Shinomiya
State War Academy Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:47:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:So your issue is a personal one then OP?
Sorry... i don't see that as a good enough reason to limit peoples' choices. Just as people perform actions in-game that you may or may not like, so too will people choose names that you may or may not find palatable.
Right. It was only my personal suggestion and my view. That is why I ask for your all opinion.
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Aya Shinomiya
State War Academy Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:49:00 -
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William Bradley
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:19:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:I guess you are one of those people that think entire universe revolves around our tiny human existence.
I'm not one of them.
Ethics, morality and social norms are relative to the mental capabilities and process of thought. When the latter changes so does the rest.
And implants would change a lot, as would immortality. Trying to reject the underpinnings of Human society in a game designed and based off of the Human existence and society itself is nonsensical. It doesn't matter how far into the future we go; so long as we retain a Human form and brain, we're going to be quintessentially Human in how we act and interact with one another.
You're also failing to understand how social progress works. Humankind has settled upon the way we name ourselves a very long time ago, and the basic structure of that has not changed at all since then. Again, there are fringe cases, but the fact of the matter is that society as a whole is going to establish a "normality" and then adhere to it and enforce conformity. I can say with complete confidence than in 10,000 years you're still going to find people named "John Smith", and people are still going to have first names and last names, and the odds of people having numbers in their names will be less than a single percentage point.
Capsuleers in EVE Online just don't magically appear from thin air. They start out as someone's child in that universe. They're given a name by their parent(s); likely according to a normal name they like or from someone in a previous generation of their family, such as when a child is named after a grandparent or other relative. They grow up in various cultures and learn various things. There will be a widely established Human culture that the child cannot escape being shaped by. It's highly, highly unlikely that child is going to have been named "Buttfart Windchime" by their parents at birth, and even if by some event of psychosis that child later on in life gets it in their head they want to be named that, they're still going to have a previous normal name documented somewhere in the interstellar records and that will have left an indelible mark on their personal psychology.
As for the implants and immortality angle, again I highly doubt it would have the impact that you think it would.
However, sadly, all of these points are moot because as I mentioned the majority of today's gamers don't care about roleplaying or about what they name their characters in this game. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
280
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:37:00 -
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No.
It doesn't matter what you or I think of a name or how much immersion matters to you. As long as a player pays their sub and their chosen name abides by the terms of the EULA they can call themselves anything they want for all I care, its entirely up to them.
I do reserve the right to laugh at and pop them because of it though. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
9962
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:54:00 -
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or just realize that you can just use numbers in character names and just think of a more original name.
like mine. You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad. |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:31:00 -
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William Bradley wrote:Arya Regnar wrote:I guess you are one of those people that think entire universe revolves around our tiny human existence.
I'm not one of them.
Ethics, morality and social norms are relative to the mental capabilities and process of thought. When the latter changes so does the rest.
And implants would change a lot, as would immortality. Trying to reject the underpinnings of Human society in a game designed and based off of the Human existence and society itself is nonsensical. It doesn't matter how far into the future we go; so long as we retain a Human form and brain, we're going to be quintessentially Human in how we act and interact with one another. You're also failing to understand how social progress works. Humankind has settled upon the way we name ourselves a very long time ago, and the basic structure of that has not changed at all since then. Again, there are fringe cases, but the fact of the matter is that society as a whole is going to establish a "normality" and then adhere to it and enforce conformity. I can say with complete confidence than in 10,000 years you're still going to find people named "John Smith", and people are still going to have first names and last names, and the odds of people having numbers in their names will be less than a single percentage point. Capsuleers in EVE Online just don't magically appear from thin air. They start out as someone's child in that universe. They're given a name by their parent(s); likely according to a normal name they like or from someone in a previous generation of their family, such as when a child is named after a grandparent or other relative. They grow up in various cultures and learn various things. There will be a widely established Human culture that the child cannot escape being shaped by. It's highly, highly unlikely that child is going to have been named "Buttfart Windchime" by their parents at birth, and even if by some event of psychosis that child later on in life gets it in their head they want to be named that, they're still going to have a previous normal name documented somewhere in the interstellar records and that will have left an indelible mark on their personal psychology. As for the implants and immortality angle, again I highly doubt it would have the impact that you think it would. However, sadly, all of these points are moot because as I mentioned the majority of today's gamers don't care about roleplaying or about what they name their characters in this game. That's very opinionated and narrow minded. Eve isn't 1000 years into the future, it's into the future then close to extinction and then thousands of years into the future if you say humans alone wouldn't change in that time...
And brains did change, as did the technology for wetware enhancement.
Look at the history of names in the time span of 500 years, or the changes to the names in the last 30 years. You claim that you know for sure New Eden keeps the names as they were...
Get out.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Swiftstrike1
Interfector INC. Fade 2 Black
207
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Posted - 2013.09.11 14:36:00 -
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So many walls of text =/
It's just a game so lighten up!
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nerdman234
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
17
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:20:00 -
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I sir, am against this. Can you guess why? I actually have a partially written bio to explain why I have other personalities (alts) whom are label to explain their various disorders (specializations).
I don't think that they should be removed/ not allowed in the future. Yes we could all come up with unique character names and I do admit I wish I had made a more creative name when I made this account, but the naming should be left to A-Z and 1-0.
Although you raise a good point. The quotes shouldn't be allowed in the name, but a nickname category (position-able inside of or on the ends of) your name should be added and allowed to be editable and view-able within show info. |
Aya Shinomiya
State War Academy Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:27:00 -
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nerdman234 wrote:Although you raise a good point. The quotes shouldn't be allowed in the name, but a nickname category (position-able inside of or on the ends of) your name should be added and allowed to be editable and view-able within show info.
That is good. I would support this. But you can also give your character a nick in your bio. At the moment I think about one for my characters bio. Do not know how many people actually read bios. |
William Bradley
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:38:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:That's very opinionated and narrow minded. Eve isn't 1000 years into the future, it's into the future then close to extinction and then thousands of years into the future if you say humans alone wouldn't change in that time...
And brains did change, as did the technology for wetware enhancement.
Look at the history of names in the time span of 500 years, or the changes to the names in the last 30 years. You claim that you know for sure New Eden keeps the names as they were...
Get out. It's funny to see you call me opinionated and narrow-minded when you have such a pitifully inadequate understanding of anthropology in the first place. Go back to school; maybe you'll learn something this time. |
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