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Huang Mo
Tianxia Inc
78
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Posted - 2013.09.11 17:59:00 -
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Am I the only one who is getting increasingly tired of having to patch every single day ?
I don't understand why CCP have to patch every day. If there are some really critical errors that absolutely needs patching, then it is ok with an emergency patch, but I don't believe that is the reason. At least, if it is the reason, then CCP should take a good look at their quality assurance policies instead.
Leaving out the possibility of CCP creating a critical error every day, that leaves us with minor errors. But then please, please, please collect them into a weekly update. This daily routine is getting really annoying.
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General Nusense
Not Posting With My Main
76
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:00:00 -
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Hello Q and A tester number 29993. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3487
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:01:00 -
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Huang Mo wrote:Am I the only one who is getting increasingly tired of having to patch every single day ?
Especially when it does not work?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Fukami Nofukayu
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
0
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:06:00 -
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I believe this is the first time I've ever seen an individual complain about a company willing to perform hotfixes on a daily basis. Oh wait, that's because no other MMO I've ever played has a dev team willing to do that. Don't complain about good things, it's foolishness! |
Lord Ryan
True Xero True Zombies
845
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:09:00 -
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Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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Huang Mo
Tianxia Inc
78
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:10:00 -
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Fukami Nofukayu wrote:I believe this is the first time I've ever seen an individual complain about a company willing to perform hotfixes on a daily basis That is probably because no other company is bothering their users to update again and again and again. And the reason they don't do it is most likely because it annoys their customers. |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
232
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:15:00 -
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Huang Mo wrote: Leaving out the possibility of CCP creating a critical error every day, that leaves us with minor errors. But then please, please, please collect them into a weekly update. This daily routine is getting really annoying.
I don't mind having daily updates, it's way better than having to wait a week or longer for bugs to be fixed. I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. -- TheGunslinger42 |
William Captain Kidd
Shadow Legion X Li3 Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:22:00 -
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Well, yesterdays patch (or the day before) created a module overloading glitch damaging modules and this mornings patch hasn't seemed to fix that as it has just happened to me once again. Not just minor damage this time either....two modules went offline and two others were close. I still have 98% shields...no structure armor damage. I didn't touch the overload button once!
I agree...unless the patch is absolutely necessary...weekly updates would be preferable so the fixes can be tested to have no side effects. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4611
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:45:00 -
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I prefer not to go back to the days when the player base begged CCP to fix errors in a more timely manner, instead of collecting several fixes before making a patch.
Doing it the old way left bugs in place longer, and if something in the fix jacked up it was many times more difficult and time consuming to track down what (in those multiple fixes) went wrong.
You won't be getting any support in criticizing CCP for being more reactive to the player base needs than any other company in matters like this... at least not from anyone that has a clue. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1913
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:50:00 -
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Huang Mo wrote:Fukami Nofukayu wrote:I believe this is the first time I've ever seen an individual complain about a company willing to perform hotfixes on a daily basis That is probably because no other company is bothering their users to update again and again and again. And the reason they don't do it is most likely because it annoys their customers.
God forbid CCP improve and maintain their game daily. Maybe if they had some sort of system before you log into the game where the patch downloads and installs quickly and efficiently without bothering you besides making you wait a tiny bit to log in? Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
5762
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:52:00 -
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William Captain Kidd wrote:Well, yesterdays patch (or the day before) created a module overloading glitch damaging modules and this mornings patch hasn't seemed to fix that as it has just happened to me once again. Not just minor damage either as was the case when it happened the first time....two modules went offline and two others were close. I still had 98% shields...no structure armor damage. I didn't touch the overload button once!
I agree...unless the patch is absolutely necessary...weekly updates would be preferable so the fixes can be tested to have no side effects. Did you file a bug report? Don't count on the possibility that other people may have filed bug reports, because they may just be counting on the possibility that other people may have filed bug reports. And then nobody actually files a bug report. It's like the bystander effect, for software defects. My Youtube Channel Latest video: August 25, 2013 |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
3251
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Posted - 2013.09.11 18:53:00 -
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Huang Mo wrote:Am I the only one who is getting increasingly tired of having to patch every single day ?
Today's Word of the day, boys and girls, is Hyperbole.
Hyperbole is sometimes used in place of actual facts when the writer is exasperated or just too lazy to collect data, but it is best used for comedic effect.
Clearly the usage in this case is the latter, because no one would seriously prefer their computer spaceships games to be broken or complain that a company fixes things too often.
Good show OP! Quite funny!
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Huang Mo
Tianxia Inc
78
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:16:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Huang Mo wrote:Am I the only one who is getting increasingly tired of having to patch every single day ?
Today's Word of the day, boys and girls, is Hyperbole Interesting. Do you then know the concept of "ad honinem" ? Not ?? Ok, here is a link for you: Ad Honinem.
For the record: I havn't kept track of the updates, but I am pretty sure I have been through the update process every day for the last five days or so. Did you keep track of your updates ? Then post your statistics here and we can learn something instead of throwing insults at each other. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3923
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:23:00 -
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Huang Mo wrote:War Kitten wrote:Huang Mo wrote:Am I the only one who is getting increasingly tired of having to patch every single day ?
Today's Word of the day, boys and girls, is Hyperbole Interesting. Do you then know the concept of "ad honinem" ? Not ?? Ok, here is a link for you: Ad Honinem. For the record: I havn't kept track of the updates, but I am pretty sure I have been through the update process every day for the last five days or so. Did you keep track of your updates ? Then post your statistics here and we can learn something instead of throwing insults at each other. It's "Ad Hominem".
You've written it wrong two times, while at the same time linking to an URL, that shows you how it's written correctly.
Not only that, you are a person complaining about a company that does it's job right.
I'm sorry, but you - all by yourself - made yourself look way too ridiculous to be taken seriously.
Reported for ranting and unconstructive posting.
Get lost. |
GreenSeed
692
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:33:00 -
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is the op really complaining about a 20mb patch?
i just updated planetside, again. 500mb dl and the game broke. you can fly now, plant mines in the air and after 40 minutes of gameplay the client gets 1 FPS.
oh and some of the airplanes are now invisible, and tanks fire rounds the size of entire bases.
they do patches every 2 weeks, packing all the changes in them. not just balance changes but client changes as well... lets just say that introducing 100+ changes at the same time is not a god idea, regardless of how much QA you have. |
Huang Mo
Tianxia Inc
78
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Posted - 2013.09.11 19:39:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:is the op really complaining about a 20mb patch? I am not really interested in the size of the patch. It is the time spent waiting for the patch to downloaded, installed, and applied. It is not like it is taking an hour, but enough time for me to begin browsing the web instead.
If it only happened now and then, it would be ok. But recently it have become a daily experience and it is reaching a point where I find it annoying. Especially because most of the things fixed are really small issues that could wait a few days imo.
There are a huge number of (minor) bugs in EvE. That is what is expected in such a complicated game, but if CCP insist on releasing fixes on a daily basis, then they should consider improving the user experience. For example by installing and patching in the background as soon as you log in.
Another thing: I was under impression that CCP are using the Scrum developing model. In that model you develop in cycles of 2 weeks (by default) and then release, but CCP makes much more frequent relases which makes me wonder what is going on. |
Tron 3K
Ship Spinning Industries
86
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:07:00 -
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Huang Mo wrote:GreenSeed wrote:is the op really complaining about a 20mb patch? I am not really interested in the size of the patch. It is the time spent waiting for the patch to be downloaded, installed, and applied. It is not like it is taking an hour, but enough time for me to begin browsing the web instead. If it only happened now and then, it would be ok. But recently it have become a daily experience and it is reaching a point where I find it annoying. Especially because most of the things fixed are really small issues that could wait a few days imo. There are a huge number of (minor) bugs in EvE. That is what is expected in such a complicated game, but if CCP insist on releasing fixes on a daily basis, then they should consider improving the user experience. For example by installing and patching in the background as soon as you log in. Another thing: I was under impression that CCP are using the Scrum developing model. In that model you develop in cycles of 2 weeks (by default) and then release, but CCP makes much more frequent relases which makes me wonder what is going on. It literally takes 15 seconds to download and patch what the hell are you bitching about? |
Baggo Hammers
95
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:07:00 -
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Fukami Nofukayu wrote:I believe this is the first time I've ever seen an individual complain about a company willing to perform hotfixes on a daily basis. Oh wait, that's because no other MMO I've ever played has a dev team willing to do that. Don't complain about good things, it's foolishness!
Some folks just like to complain. This is GD. If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
5941
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:09:00 -
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CCP doesn't fix things.....People complain.
CCP doesn't fix things fast enough...... People complain.
CCP fixes things..... People complain.
CCP fixes things too often... People complain.
Nerf people. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
11549
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:11:00 -
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grrr CCP stop fixing bugs the burden of spending 30 seconds watching a patch auto-install is unbearable
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Huang Mo
Tianxia Inc
78
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:11:00 -
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Tron 3K wrote:It literally takes like 15 seconds to download and patch what the hell are you bitching about? Really ? It takes minutes for me to complete the whole process: Download the main patch. Then download the launcher patch (today it was one minute plus some for this download alone). Then install the patch files through the Windows updater before finally applying the patch in the EvE launcher.
It takes way more than 15 seconds for me. I'll time it next time around (tomorrow, probably) and then post the results here. Please do the same so we can compare. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
429
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:15:00 -
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General Nusense wrote:Hello Q and A tester number 29993. CCP has raised "Live Beta" to high art. |
Fukami Nofukayu
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
6
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:28:00 -
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Huang Mo wrote:Tron 3K wrote:It literally takes like 15 seconds to download and patch what the hell are you bitching about? Really ? It takes minutes for me to complete the whole process: Download the main patch. Then download the launcher patch (today it was one minute plus some for this download alone). Then install the patch files through the Windows updater before finally applying the patch in the EvE launcher. It takes way more than 15 seconds for me. I'll time it next time around (tomorrow, probably) and then post the results here. Please do the same so we can compare.
Buy a better PC?
Seriously though. I've played Shadowbane, SWG, WoW, Tabula Rasa, Everquest 1 & 2, SWTOR, Guild Wars 1 & 2, City of Heroes/Villains, etc. In other words, I have extensive experience playing numerous MMO's. If it is a bug/glitch that is detrimental to gameplay, it's a quick fix. If it's an annoying bug/glitch, etc. it can take an extensive period of time before you see a fix completed because of the mentality you seem to live by.
One thing you aren't taking into consideration is that something you consider minor could have a detrimental affect on someone else's gameplay. Also, a number of those games are no longer in existence, could that possibly be due to not completing hotfixes fast enough to appease their audience? Probably not wholly due to that, but I'd imagine that played a role in their downfall.
Simply put, if it is really going to bother you that CCP is putting time and energy in making this game as fun and enjoyable for you as they possibly can, then there are plenty of other MMO's that take their dear sweet time to fix things, which I'm sure you could try and enjoy.
As for their development tools working on a two week cycle, I'm not entirely sure. Could it be possible that these are hotfixes planned and completed two weeks in advance of their release and that CCP is even more ahead of schedule then imagined? If that be the case, may God have mercy on us all for their efficiency! |
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
283
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:33:00 -
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Huang Mo wrote:Am I the only one who is getting increasingly tired of having to patch every single day ?
I don't understand why CCP have to patch every day. If there are some really critical errors that absolutely needs patching, then it is ok with an emergency patch, but I don't believe that is the reason. At least, if it is the reason, then CCP should take a good look at their quality assurance policies instead.
Leaving out the possibility of CCP creating a critical error every day, that leaves us with minor errors. But then please, please, please collect them into a weekly update. This daily routine is getting really annoying.
You need to unplug your keyboard right now, open your window and throw it out.
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Huang Mo
Tianxia Inc
78
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:47:00 -
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Fukami Nofukayu wrote:One thing you aren't taking into consideration is that something you consider minor could have a detrimental affect on someone else's gameplay. Also, a number of those games are no longer in existence, could that possibly be due to not completing hotfixes fast enough to appease their audience? If so, I am amazed by the number of bugs in EvE that have so detrimental effect on anyone's gameplay that it warrant a hot-fix. I agree however with your critic of the general industry policy of bug fixing and I am not suggesting that EvE should never be patched, or that bug fixes are bad.
Patches are fine. But not so frequent as has been the case lately.
Fukami Nofukayu wrote:As for their development tools working on a two week cycle, I'm not entirely sure. Could it be possible that these are hotfixes planned and completed two weeks in advance of their release and that CCP is even more ahead of schedule then imagined? If that be the case, may God have mercy on us all for their efficiency! The two week cycle is the default in Scrum. I think it is too long, a week is more reasonable imo. if you have easy deployment (Web-interface or EvE-like games), but that is tangential to the issue at hand. I was just wondering....
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Fukami Nofukayu
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
6
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:00:00 -
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Huang Mo wrote: If so, I am amazed by the number of bugs in EvE that have so detrimental effect on anyone's gameplay that it warrant a hot-fix. I agree however with your critic of the general industry policy of bug fixing and I am not suggesting that EvE should never be patched, or that bug fixes are bad.
Patches are fine. But not so frequent as has been the case lately.
Well, one thing a lot of people don't take into consideration is that people are playing on myriad rig setups. A variety of different OS's, Graphic's Cards, etc., etc. There's no way that they could possibly account for how everything they add/fix is going to affect every single person playing Eve. It's simply not plausible. In other words, yes, it's possible that every single fix could cause major issues for any given player at any given time.
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Danelaan
Hachaisse Bis
1
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:14:00 -
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Most dumb post I've read anywhere.
I can't remember how many times I've spent on different games having issue and not being able to play, same as hundreds, and waiting for days and days until a proper hotfix is put online. All those years of playing MMOs and other online games, I've seen only dismay at those dev teams that took their sweet time to correct bugs that ruined the experience of some users. I've never seen anyone ever complain about regular patches fixing stuff. That's really a first and probably proves that whatever you do, someone is going to be unhappy.
I mean, you complain about a few patches that took you, let's say 30 seconds to download install since your computer seems to be really slow. You complain because it keeps you from playing and makes you go browsing. And then you probably spent more than all the time taken from you by those patches writing a dumb rant post on forums. What the hell is wrong with your logic?
tl;dr: no, it's not a bad thing. There are things we can be unhappy about concerning CCP but certainly not that. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1718
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:18:00 -
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Huang Mo wrote:Fukami Nofukayu wrote:I believe this is the first time I've ever seen an individual complain about a company willing to perform hotfixes on a daily basis That is probably because no other company is bothering their users to update again and again and again. And the reason they don't do it is most likely because it annoys their customers.
Do you know what annoys customers even more than fixing the game? Not fixing it for days and days and days and making them play a broken game.
Can't please everyone I guess, though. If you can't handle a few minutes every day NOT playing this game for the sake of a patch to download and install, or a little maintenance at downtime, then I would suggest you have your own problems to address. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1718
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:24:00 -
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Huang Mo wrote:Tron 3K wrote:It literally takes like 15 seconds to download and patch what the hell are you bitching about? Really ? It takes minutes for me to complete the whole process: Download the main patch. Then download the launcher patch (today it was one minute plus some for this download alone). Then install the patch files through the Windows updater before finally applying the patch in the EvE launcher. It takes way more than 15 seconds for me. I'll time it next time around (tomorrow, probably) and then post the results here. Please do the same so we can compare.
Seriously, though, the length of a day is 24 hours, ~8 of which you'll spend sleeping, leaving you with 16. Even if the patch too half an hour, which it does for many in Australia because of our dodgy internet (I'm safe, I have cable internet, 80-100 Mbps for me baby, yeah!) that's a grand total of 3% of your waking hours.
I remember checking out SW:TOR some time back. I've uninstalled it since, but I remember when "patch day" came around. It really was a patch day, being day-long and all. Well, okay, I exaggerate, but it was a few hours worth of download and installation, and it wasn't even an expansion, just a patch.
There's a reason CCP do it every day, it's to keep patches small so that users aren't kept offline for too long. I got so bored waiting for TOR to patch that I forgot it was even happening due to finding something else to do. I uninstalled the game a few weeks later, never looked back. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Tollen Gallen
Xionworld
570
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:26:00 -
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LOL is ,she/him, it, complaining that it takes 2 minutes to add a patch that fixes broken things on a game that she/him it, is'nt forced to play.........
I like Cheese, Battleships, bug fixes, but not keen on Whine........... |
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