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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2013.10.03 01:24:00 -
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Ali Aras wrote:Posting publicly what I'll be saying in private as well:
My thoughts are more along the lines of no. #2, thoughtful objections to the TOS itself. I like mynnna's wording, and here's where I'm coming from on it:
The TOS on impersonation should (1) prohibit players pretending to be CCP or people connected to CCP, and (2) it should prohibit players from using UI tricks to make their characters too difficult to distinguish from another character.
That's it. Players lying and pretending to be other players or organizations or representatives of those organizations should be completely allowed. After all, if I am pretending to be someone else or someone else's representative, my mark can check in with the original as long as I'm not violating point no. 2 above. If I am, then *that's* the TOS violation that protects the player.
People with good reputations can protect them by petitioning any clones who're scamming and by reminding their customers to triple-check before doing business with them. Access to a character in order to edit a bio or send a mail can verify that you're working with the right person. Someone wants to broker supercaps on their alts? Great, they list their names in their main's bio. Someone wants to rent out all of Vale? Great, they list the approved rental officers in the corp description or a bio or something.
Similarly, if someone apps to my corp with the text 'June Ting's Cyno Alt' and I don't check with June to see whether they're actually who they say they are, I'm liable for anything that happens afterwards. It's no different from accepting an app from someone who says they're a total carebear who wants to come to mining ops without checking their API to see what they *do* at said mining ops. Sure, it's a lazy way to awox, but margin trading is a lazy way to scam and *that* still works. If it's too good to be true, it probably is.
^^This. Frankly, that's how the game has been played for years. Why not just codify the working system as above. I hope to see the CSM encouraging CCP to do it right. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4685
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Posted - 2013.10.05 02:53:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:CCP needs to get out of the slander / libel enforcement business. I understand that their intentions are good. However, it's not practical to enforce, nor is it good for the community as a whole. The logic used as justification for enforcement (it's impossible to "get back at" scammers who tarnish someone's good name) can be used to justify the prohibition of ALL scams. This would be a very bad move for Eve Online.
CCP, as much as you LOVE Chribba and LOVE Somer Blink, you need to step back and consider that these entities have managed to build trust in the community WITHOUT your help. People have impersonated them and "invoked their name" to run many many scams and yet, their reputations are still intact. THEY DO NOT NEED YOUR HELP in the form of unenforceable rules or special gifts. They are doing just fine. Stop trying to protect them like some kind of nanny state WOW wannabe. somer blink, 100% honest, ccp verified There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1099
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Posted - 2013.10.05 21:19:00 -
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So, no update on this yet? Fairly disappointing. I'd almost be tempted to draw the unkind conclusion that the SOMER Blink thing was a sufficient distraction to my fellow players that this issue has been forgotten already. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
219
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:16:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I'd almost be tempted to draw the unkind conclusion that the SOMER Blink thing was a sufficient distraction to my fellow players that this issue has been forgotten already. It's not forgotten, but what more is there to talk about? The players already reached consensus. It's now for CCP and CSM to act on it. |
Gecko Runner Hareka
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:32:00 -
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Rob Crowley wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I'd almost be tempted to draw the unkind conclusion that the SOMER Blink thing was a sufficient distraction to my fellow players that this issue has been forgotten already. It's not forgotten, but what more is there to talk about? The players already reached consensus. It's now for CCP and CSM to act on it.
Would also love to see some reaction besides silence :)
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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1532
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:50:00 -
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Boys, I think we've been ****** on this one. Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1118
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Posted - 2013.10.09 21:21:00 -
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Gecko Runner Hareka wrote:Rob Crowley wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I'd almost be tempted to draw the unkind conclusion that the SOMER Blink thing was a sufficient distraction to my fellow players that this issue has been forgotten already. It's not forgotten, but what more is there to talk about? The players already reached consensus. It's now for CCP and CSM to act on it. Would also love to see some reaction besides silence :)
Pretty much this.
Just sitting around and allowing the issue to quitely fade into the background of the other gaffes accomplishes nothing. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12063
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Posted - 2013.10.09 21:54:00 -
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We're paid shills who support CCP 100%; why are you asking us about this?
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4249
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Posted - 2013.10.09 23:21:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:We're paid shills who support CCP 100%; why are you asking us about this?
I don't think you're shills. I don't thing CCP is using you effectively for the CSM's stated purpose, but that's another issue.
Mind seeing if you can get them to give some sort of public indication that their plan isn't the tried and true "keep quiet about it until everybody forgets"? "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
588
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Posted - 2013.10.10 17:48:00 -
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Although itGÇÖs been pretty quiet lately, we just wanted to let you all know that we havenGÇÖt forgotten about this matter. Customer Support is now working with Game Design to prepare material for discussion with the CSM, where this is going to be one of our main discussion points in the coming months. We have received lots of ideas and input on this that we will take into consideration and we look forwards to meeting up with the CSM and coming to a satisfactory resolution. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1383
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Posted - 2013.10.10 18:22:00 -
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"coming months"
...ok, so just change the ToS back until this "coming months" discussion Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
loquacious7
Pawnstars INC The Obsidian Front
2
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Posted - 2013.10.10 21:52:00 -
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* I am Spartacus...... Wait, is satirical use of names now against ToS :D
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4256
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:25:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:"coming months"
...ok, so just change the ToS back until this "coming months" discussion
But it wasn't a change. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4257
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Posted - 2013.10.11 06:49:00 -
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Speaking of it not being a change:
If, in fact, this was longstanding policy, why does the Knowledge base article tell users to check to confirm the identity of someone who claims to be an alt, rather than telling them to report those people for impersonation?
http://community.eveonline.com/support/knowledge-base/article.aspx?articleId=34 "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1134
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:11:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:Although itGÇÖs been pretty quiet lately, we just wanted to let you all know that we havenGÇÖt forgotten about this matter. Customer Support is now working with Game Design to prepare material for discussion with the CSM, where this is going to be one of our main discussion points in the coming months. We have received lots of ideas and input on this that we will take into consideration and we look forwards to meeting up with the CSM and coming to a satisfactory resolution.
Ok, so, seeing as the current terms of service can be used to easily and effectively grief people (I can go get like, ten people banned tomorrow for this just from the crap in my various inboxes), how about we revert this in the meantime?
The dam hasn't broken yet on this, but it's cracking. The number of people I see in trade hubs, or even randomly around systems, trying to bait you into saying that you are XYZ's alt so they can petition you is pretty ridiculous. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Clacker McDucky
2
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Posted - 2013.10.14 17:40:00 -
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Despite their statements to the contrary, it sounds like CCP is acting/revising policies on the behest of companies like SOMERblink and the scams that have them in an uproar. This sort of activity has clearly been tolerated in the past: Northern Coalition, Northern Coalition./NCDot, the various plays on names Goonfleet, etc. And those are just a few the recognized names.
Not that I have a problem with the policy. In fact, I think CCP should crack down on many types of scams that rely on BS schemes. Doing so would create a legitimate marketing use of local in the trade hubs, versus having only scammers shouting out their scams.
Still, just sayin' it's kinda disingenuous to say, "this has always been our policy", when it hasn't. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4944
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Posted - 2013.10.26 03:20:00 -
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glad that the not-change has not been changed There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1518
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Posted - 2013.10.27 00:14:00 -
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:soontm:
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Theon Severasse
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
37
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Posted - 2013.11.07 12:16:00 -
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Any updates to be had on this? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1413
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Posted - 2013.11.10 05:29:00 -
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Theon Severasse wrote:Any updates to be had on this?
Seconded. No updates, no communication where communication was promised... |
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Theon Severasse
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
52
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Posted - 2014.01.08 02:47:00 -
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Still no updates.
There wasn't even anything in the CSM minutes, which I am pretty disappointed about. |
Arsala
Minmatar Mining and Manufacturing.
0
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Posted - 2014.02.02 03:06:00 -
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I hate to say it, but when you let foxes in your hen house and then pat the foxes on the back and tell them they are unique for thinking outside of the box, when really they are only doing that which is natural to them. You deserve every stomach ache you get because you have no meat or eggs to eat.
CCP you should just set a solid stone rules set with no ability for others to twist or stretch the wording. Every time someone or group of people think of new ways to "steal the chickens" it is always at first regarded as new and great use of craftiness, but then eventually rules have to be changed and CCP has to devote more time wasted on re-writing and taken back there own rules so the games environment doesn't get thrown out of balance.
there have been hundreds if not thousands of other MMO's out there, you don't see them reworking there EULA's or ToS every other expansion release. |
Ali Aras
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
630
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Posted - 2014.03.08 00:39:00 -
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Theon Severasse wrote:Still no updates.
There wasn't even anything in the CSM minutes, which I am pretty disappointed about. I was checking this thread later-- the TOS thing happened *after* the summit. There'll be stuff in the winter minutes. http://warp-to-sun.tumblr.com -- my blog |
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