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Caelus Overdrive
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:22:00 -
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Hello there!
My hole is a C2/C2/LS. Current it has one A239 and two B382 wormholes. Is there any particular reason to this? I am confused.
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Godfrey Silvarna
Frozen Dawn Inc Arctic Light
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:36:00 -
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There are sometimes wandering wormholes that can have same names as your statics. |
Jobie Thickburger
Intergalactic Mining
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:40:00 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:There are sometimes wandering wormholes that can have same names as your statics.
I'll have to confirm this, my hole is a C2 w/ C5/Null satic, and since the 1.1 patch, I've noticed that I'll get wandering holes with their named static side on my end (One day had my C5/Null and 3 C2 statics pop up on my side). If you fly through these odd statics, i've noticed that the hole it goes too is supposed to have a static into my side....
Best I an figure, since the patch, the static side shows on the first side to spawn in the server.... therefor, If I log in before any of the other holes who's static comes to mine do, my side ends up the "named" side instead of K162 |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.09.15 08:05:00 -
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It hasn't changed since the patch, always been this way. Statics are merely wanderings that your particular hole always has, which means as long as it has one, it technically can have as many as it damn well pleases. Only the one that replaced your previous static will spawn a new static when it collapses, so they are evidently marked differently by the game. There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
Slaveofjita
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.15 16:45:00 -
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Jobie Thickburger wrote:Godfrey Silvarna wrote:There are sometimes wandering wormholes that can have same names as your statics. I'll have to confirm this, my hole is a C2 w/ C5/Null satic, and since the 1.1 patch, I've noticed that I'll get wandering holes with their named static side on my end (One day had my C5/Null and 3 C2 statics pop up on my side). If you fly through these odd statics, i've noticed that the hole it goes too is supposed to have a static into my side.... Best I an figure, since the patch, the static side shows on the first side to spawn in the server.... therefor, If I log in before any of the other holes who's static comes to mine do, my side ends up the "named" side instead of K162
you can go in these and scan and you will find the statics of those holes, it-¦s simply random whs that sometimes spawn in your system and act like your static does(other side doesn't see it until you warp to it) |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
230
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Posted - 2013.09.15 19:05:00 -
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That's not "acting like a static," that's "acting like every single wormhole in the game."
C2s have wandering wormholes that lead to other C2s. They're called D382s, just like the static C2-C2 connection. Doesn't mean they're statics or that there's any kind of odd behavior going on; they work just like normal wandering wormholes.
There is at least one if not more thread on this exact issue on the front page.
IMO CCP should change the name of C2-C2 wandering wormholes in order to prevent people who can't search for answers from constantly making new threads about it. |
Setsune Rin
Bite Me inc Bitten.
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Posted - 2013.09.16 07:44:00 -
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Tul Breetai wrote:It hasn't changed since the patch, always been this way. Statics are merely wanderings that your particular hole always has, which means as long as it has one, it technically can have as many as it damn well pleases. Only the one that replaced your previous static will spawn a new static when it collapses, so they are evidently marked differently by the game.
statics are statics, there's only one
i have never seen a system with 2 H296's or M267's
its only a quirk on these particular c2 wormholes |
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.16 11:30:00 -
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Confirmed!
I as well see quite often since Patch 1.1. three static exits. Often have 2x Z647 in my C2 wormhole.
Have never seen this in 2.5 years of my wormhole experiences. So the assumption it has something to do with odyssey 1.1. is quite obvious.
Honestly I have not always checked if the WH systems on the other sides are realy C1s, but when I did they have been C1s. |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
580
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:16:00 -
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Some systems get more wandering holes than others (presumably because they're 'constellation statics'). I doubt that there has been a general increase of wandering holes since 1.1, although it's of course possible.
The more likely explanation is that because of highly increased scanning activity after the patch, wandering holes were far more often scanned and activated, thus despawning and moving regularly instead of sitting dormant in the same inactive system for days or weeks. . |
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.16 14:15:00 -
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CCP can I have extra statics in our system too please ?
Saves us rolling for pew.
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Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.16 15:04:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Some systems get more wandering holes than others (presumably because they're 'constellation statics'). I doubt that there has been a general increase of wandering holes since 1.1, although it's of course possible.
The more likely explanation is that because of highly increased scanning activity after the patch, wandering holes were far more often scanned and activated, thus despawning and moving regularly instead of sitting dormant in the same inactive system for days or weeks.
But Z647 is my static C1, not a wandering wormhole, isn't it? So we are not talking about the usual wandering D3xx something.
I haven't seen two Z647 at the same time before 1.1, but already several times after Odyssey 1.1
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Z647 is a static and usually I should have only 1, not 2 of this kind! And a static can only be activiated from the wormhole from where it generates?!? And as I seldomly activate my Hi-Static and control this via bookmark I can be quite sure, that often there was nobody else in my WH as I had no other wormholes spawning into my one that day. I know this is not 100% guarantee, but the chance is too small that it has been the case in all the situations where I had 2x Z647, of which one quite often spawned during my online time. |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
230
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:12:00 -
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Z647 can also be a wandering WH--the wiki has it listed as a pseudo static like D382 (can be static or wandering).
If it doesn't respawn after going away, it's not a static.
And unless you're on 24/7 you can't claim no one has opened your holes. Easy enough for someone to roll into your hole, check your statics, then close the entrance they used in less than 20minutes. |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
580
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Posted - 2013.09.17 10:25:00 -
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I'm fairly sure that every kind of wormhole can be a non-static. If some kinds are never seen except as the static of a system, it is very likely only because no or extremely few wormholes of that kind were ever seeded into the game. I understand that in addition to the system statics there is a number of wormholes in a "non-static pool" that are always present somewhere in the game. Once they are activated, they exist until they despawn, then respawn somewhere else.
Of some kinds there are tons in circulation (Z647 and D382 for example), others are quite rare (D792, C5/6 to hisec). And others are even more rare (A982 from c3 to c6, and M609 from c1 to c4, only ever found one of each in four years of scanning, both recently). I think I have seen duplicate D845s and H296s too, but I'm not really sure so unless I see them again and make a screenshot, I cannot say that claims that there are no duplicate statics outside of C2s are false. . |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
231
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Posted - 2013.09.17 17:53:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:I'm fairly sure that every kind of wormhole can be a non-static. If some kinds are never seen except as the static of a system, it is very likely only because no or extremely few wormholes of that kind were ever seeded into the game. I understand that in addition to the system statics there is a number of wormholes in a "non-static pool" that are always present somewhere in the game. Once they are activated, they exist until they despawn, then respawn somewhere else.
Of some kinds there are tons in circulation (Z647 and D382 for example), others are quite rare (D792, C5/6 to hisec). And others are even more rare (A982 from c3 to c6, and M609 from c1 to c4, only ever found one of each in four years of scanning, both recently). I think I have seen duplicate D845s and H296s too, but I'm not really sure so unless I see them again and make a screenshot, I cannot say that claims that there are no duplicate statics outside of C2s are false. C1 static wormholes are only ever statics. |
Scoto Timta
Heaven's End League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.17 19:51:00 -
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Fluffi Flaffi wrote:I haven't seen two Z647 at the same time before 1.1, but already several times after Odyssey 1.1
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Z647 is a static and usually I should have only 1, not 2 of this kind! And a static can only be activiated from the wormhole from where it generates?!? And as I seldomly activate my Hi-Static and control this via bookmark I can be quite sure, that often there was nobody else in my WH as I had no other wormholes spawning into my one that day. I know this is not 100% guarantee, but the chance is too small that it has been the case in all the situations where I had 2x Z647, of which one quite often spawned during my online time. You have exactly one static B274 and one static Z647 in your system.
I'm a little confused by what you are asking, as you first say that you never saw multiple Z647, but then post seem to say you have seen it a lot. Regardless, If you have been in there for a long time and truly never saw multiple Z647 or B274, then you are a rare individual. I've lived in w-space since shortly after wormholes were introduced and have often seen multiple wormholes in my home system that were just like my static. The extra ones with the same name are not statics, they are random/wandering.
Please look at the FAQ thread stickied at the top of this forum section for a full explanation of what "static" means.
Short story, it is nothing new in 1.1 - it has been like this for years. |
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.18 07:46:00 -
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OK. Thanks for info. Very strange that I can not remember of having recognised that before 1.1. But anyway have to live with that.
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