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Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:52:00 -
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Mythrandier wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote:Mythrandier wrote: I see, so you back up your ad hominem argument with another ad hominem argument and then proceed to tell me that I'M the one embarrassing myself?
That, is pretty damn amazing.
Those with limited intellect are easily amused. I'm sure they are. Is that all you have to add? Or are you just stalling while you come up with an actual point? no rush, I can wait.
I'm not rushed. Just enjoying my coffee.
And.... Gankers are incompetent. |
Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote:The fallacy here is that I have to play YOUR game. Yes, a strawman is indeed a fallacy. So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case. Quote:This is EVE, I set my own rules. No. CCP sets the rules. They also hand out the tools. If you choose to ignore the gameplay effects of those rules and choose not to make use of the tools at your disposal, then the outcome is very much on your shoulders.
Wow... in your case.. I'd recommend less coffee.
Be well!! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16516
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:57:00 -
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Renault T'Bonin wrote:Wow... in your case.. I'd recommend less coffee. I don't drink coffee. So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Ezslider
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote:Wow... in your case.. I'd recommend less coffee. I don't drink coffee. So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case.
He will never have a real argument that will be able to be proven out in the open. Trying to argue your own world views of how things should be is rarely if ever fueled by any sort of logic, it is based on an emotion
Kind of like arguing with a woman...facts are not that important. |
Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
39
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:17:00 -
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Ezslider wrote:Tippia wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote:Wow... in your case.. I'd recommend less coffee. I don't drink coffee. So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case. He will never have a real argument that will be able to be proven out in the open. Trying to argue your own world views of how things should be is rarely if ever fueled by any sort of logic, it is based on an emotion Kind of like arguing with a woman...facts are not that important.
Aye, some people just donGÇÖt understand the difference between being subjective, or being objective. "It is better to light a flame thrower than curse the darkness." --á T. Pratchett. |
MeestaPenni
Nova Force
308
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote:Wow... in your case.. I'd recommend less coffee. I don't drink coffee. So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case.
Do honesty a favor and go back up thread a bit and apply that tone to the New Order poster claiming "many" corp members are selling mining equipment. Then promptly refusing to back up the claim with zero numbers or evidence.
Gankers are no more than school yard bullies. The game-play is no more honorable than that.
I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
488
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:24:00 -
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Renault T'Bonin wrote:Mythrandier wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote: Ganking miners: Phhht. That's for the incompetents that can't handle low sec or 0.0. It might be allowed, it might even be an intended mechanic. But it wreaks of incompetence and desperation.
'Tis a common security blanket folks hang onto. But it's an illusion, and like all illusions, provides no real security or protection. Check the killboards. You'll see that your comforting illusion is just smoke on the wind. Like security blankets and teddy bears everywhere, your illusion is a coping tactic to protect you from fear. Shed the fear; Your game will only improve. You're either role playing, your not paying attention, or you need therapy. If you gank in empire- you cannot make it elsewhere. I'm not arguing that ganking should be removed form the game. I'm stating, directly, that you are incompetent. A waste of game space. A person who uses a marginal area of game mechanics to "get off" on the tears of others. You are desperate, incompetent, and unable to sustain yourself honestly- just like any other criminal. If you'd like to deny that- it's almost as entertaining as a failed gank. So go ahead. Tell us how you are not a criminal? CCP says your a criminal. Therefor you are a criminal. And like most criminals... you're pretty useless. Some reading for you. Citing a form of argument taught in a Intro to Logic class, and backing it up with a Wikipedia article... is quite frankly incompetent. Next thing you're going to start drawing Venn diagrams and pointing out that while all gankers are incompetent, not all incompetent players are gankers. Then you'll point out an exception- and provide another Wikipedia link. You're incompetent. Stop embarrassing yourself. Another ad hominem attack, along with a Genetic Fallacy. Citing Wikipediia, as ayone should know, is not an authoritative cite, but it is an informative cite. It wouldn't make any differnce where he cited, though - ad hominem is ad hominem.
Seriously, you've got nothing to sell but insults and fallacies. Pack up your wagon and go; you've got nothing left to peddle here. CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4582
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:24:00 -
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How dishonorable ! There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
baltec1
Bat Country
8034
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:25:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:Tippia wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote:Wow... in your case.. I'd recommend less coffee. I don't drink coffee. So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case. Do honesty a favor and go back up thread a bit and apply that tone to the New Order poster claiming "many" corp members are selling mining equipment. Then promptly refusing to back up the claim with zero numbers or evidence. Gankers are no more than school yard bullies. The game-play is no more honorable than that.
Its called piracy. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4582
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:30:00 -
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They are New Order Knights, enforcing the Halima Code (did I spell that right?)
Though that GM said the New Order doesn't exist, so I guess their highsec dream is over There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
488
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:33:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote: Gankers are no more than school yard bullies. The game-play is no more honorable than that.
Aaaaand the argument descends the final rung of the ladder, to Name Calling.
Congratulations - you have reached the nadir, and have nothing constructive left to offer.
CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4582
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:39:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:MeestaPenni wrote: Gankers are no more than school yard bullies. The game-play is no more honorable than that.
Aaaaand the argument descends the final rung of the ladder, to Name Calling. Congratulations - you have reached the nadir, and have nothing constructive left to offer. :slowclap: ? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1178
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:42:00 -
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Gankers lack spacehonoure. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16520
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:47:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:Gankers are no more than school yard bullies. [citation needed] So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:58:00 -
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Tippia wrote:MeestaPenni wrote:Gankers are no more than school yard bullies. [citation needed] So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case.
Does repeating that over and over make you feel good, or better?
The rest of us have moved on.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16520
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:03:00 -
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Renault T'Bonin wrote:Does repeating that over and over make you feel good, or better? It makes me sad that I have to repeat it since you keep making these nonsensical and outlandish claims.
Quote:The rest of us have moved on. No, you really haven't. That's the sad part.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
MeestaPenni
Nova Force
309
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:MeestaPenni wrote:Gankers are no more than school yard bullies. [citation needed] So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case.
I have a valid, giant argument.
"Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively to impose domination over others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power." (Ask and you shall receive)
Cited
Gankers are bullies with exactly the same motivations and influences as the school yard bully picking on perceived weaknesses.
I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
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Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:23:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:Tippia wrote:MeestaPenni wrote:Gankers are no more than school yard bullies. [citation needed] So you still have no argument and no evidence to support your position, since you have to rely on fallacies to make your not-case. I have a valid, giant argument. "Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively to impose domination over others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power." (Ask and you shall receive)Cited Gankers are bullies with exactly the same motivations and influences as the school yard bully picking on perceived weaknesses.
She doesn't care about your argument... although she may try to refute it. Err it might... who knows right?
Best to move along and let the incompetent EVE players have there little group think. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16520
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:26:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:I have a valid, giant argument. "Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively to impose domination over others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power." (Ask and you shall receive)Cited So apparently, miners are bullies too. After all, they habitually use threats and coercion to try to impose domination over others, and are of the perception that they are in an imbalanced position of strength in terms of social power. Fancy that.
Quote:Gankers are bullies with exactly the same motivations and influences as the school yard bully picking on perceived weaknesses. [citation needed]
Renault T'Bonin wrote:Best to move along and let the incompetent EVE players have there little group think. No. I'd rather prefer to cure their incompetence by educating them on the tools and rules they have at their disposal. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
MeestaPenni
Nova Force
309
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:27:00 -
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Renault T'Bonin wrote: She doesn't care about your argument...
Despite the tone and style of prose....that is not a "she".
I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
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MeestaPenni
Nova Force
309
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:MeestaPenni wrote:I have a valid, giant argument. "Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively to impose domination over others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power." (Ask and you shall receive)Cited So apparently, miners are bullies too. After all, they habitually use threats and coercion to try to impose domination over others, and are of the perception that they are in an imbalanced position of strength in terms of social power. Fancy that. Quote:Gankers are bullies with exactly the same motivations and influences as the school yard bully picking on perceived weaknesses. [citation needed]
The comedy just keeps flowing in this thread.
I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
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Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:30:00 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote: She doesn't care about your argument...
Despite the tone and style of prose....that is not a "she".
I'm from Chicago... you never know. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
296
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:32:00 -
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So i've learned that gankers are incompetent sociopaths that fail at EvE in every way. Just wondering what that makes the miners who die at the hands of these Eve failures? I've seen in this thread and others, gankers referred to school yard bullies which is an insult to miners. Unlike in real life, in a video game (except pay-to-win which Eve is not), everyone is given the same tools to make their way. You can choose what ships you fly, how you equip them, and where you fly them. Eve is fundamentally a competitive game. You must compete with other players for whatever resources you are after. You'll win some and you will loose some.
If gankers are school yard bullies and incompetants, then that portrays the miners are weaklings and even more incompetant. I'lll not accept that. We're all demigods of the same galaxy. Just last night 3 of us launched on a hulk flying 1 t2 cat and 2 t1 cats. Killed dozens of Hulks with far less dps before. Landed on target, locked him up and got to blasting. Then a flight of shield maint drones from the hulk came out. Another flight from the Orca nearby. We never even got to his armor. It was fantastic. We offered 'gf's in local and watched our cats explode while the hulk didn't miss a cycle. The guy was at the keyboard, knew we were coming, and had a plan to beat us. That guy was neither weak nor incompetant.
You can adapt to the losses, or blame the other guy. This is the rule:-á In Eve it's always a trick. If you don't think it's a trick, you just don't have enough experience to know what the trick is. That doesn't mean you shouldn't launch on that fool anyway and roll the dice. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1178
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:43:00 -
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but mah yield, bro! Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:46:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:So i've learned that gankers are incompetent sociopaths that fail at EvE in every way. Just wondering what that makes the miners who die at the hands of these Eve failures? I've seen in this thread and others, gankers referred to school yard bullies which is an insult to miners. Unlike in real life, in a video game (except pay-to-win which Eve is not), everyone is given the same tools to make their way. You can choose what ships you fly, how you equip them, and where you fly them. Eve is fundamentally a competitive game. You must compete with other players for whatever resources you are after. You'll win some and you will loose some.
If gankers are school yard bullies and incompetants, then that portrays the miners are weaklings and even more incompetant. I'lll not accept that. We're all demigods of the same galaxy. Just last night 3 of us launched on a hulk flying 1 t2 cat and 2 t1 cats. Killed dozens of Hulks with far less dps before. Landed on target, locked him up and got to blasting. Then a flight of shield maint drones from the hulk came out. Another flight from the Orca nearby. We never even got to his armor. It was fantastic. We offered 'gf's in local and watched our cats explode while the hulk didn't miss a cycle. The guy was at the keyboard, knew we were coming, and had a plan to beat us. That guy was neither weak nor incompetant.
You can adapt to the losses, or blame the other guy.
More ganker lies.
You cannot use shield maintenance drones on yourself.
So ... this didn't happen? There was only one flight of drones?
I love it when people make up stories... please continue. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
298
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:56:00 -
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Renault T'Bonin wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:So i've learned that gankers are incompetent sociopaths that fail at EvE in every way. Just wondering what that makes the miners who die at the hands of these Eve failures? I've seen in this thread and others, gankers referred to school yard bullies which is an insult to miners. Unlike in real life, in a video game (except pay-to-win which Eve is not), everyone is given the same tools to make their way. You can choose what ships you fly, how you equip them, and where you fly them. Eve is fundamentally a competitive game. You must compete with other players for whatever resources you are after. You'll win some and you will loose some.
If gankers are school yard bullies and incompetants, then that portrays the miners are weaklings and even more incompetant. I'lll not accept that. We're all demigods of the same galaxy. Just last night 3 of us launched on a hulk flying 1 t2 cat and 2 t1 cats. Killed dozens of Hulks with far less dps before. Landed on target, locked him up and got to blasting. Then a flight of shield maint drones from the hulk came out. Another flight from the Orca nearby. We never even got to his armor. It was fantastic. We offered 'gf's in local and watched our cats explode while the hulk didn't miss a cycle. The guy was at the keyboard, knew we were coming, and had a plan to beat us. That guy was neither weak nor incompetant.
You can adapt to the losses, or blame the other guy. More ganker lies. You cannot use shield maintenance drones on yourself. So ... this didn't happen? There was only one flight of drones? I love it when people make up stories... please continue.
Looked like 2 to me. Maybe it was only one. I only had 20secs to find out before it all ended hilariously. This is the rule:-á In Eve it's always a trick. If you don't think it's a trick, you just don't have enough experience to know what the trick is. That doesn't mean you shouldn't launch on that fool anyway and roll the dice. |
Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:59:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Renault T'Bonin wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:So i've learned that gankers are incompetent sociopaths that fail at EvE in every way. Just wondering what that makes the miners who die at the hands of these Eve failures? I've seen in this thread and others, gankers referred to school yard bullies which is an insult to miners. Unlike in real life, in a video game (except pay-to-win which Eve is not), everyone is given the same tools to make their way. You can choose what ships you fly, how you equip them, and where you fly them. Eve is fundamentally a competitive game. You must compete with other players for whatever resources you are after. You'll win some and you will loose some.
If gankers are school yard bullies and incompetants, then that portrays the miners are weaklings and even more incompetant. I'lll not accept that. We're all demigods of the same galaxy. Just last night 3 of us launched on a hulk flying 1 t2 cat and 2 t1 cats. Killed dozens of Hulks with far less dps before. Landed on target, locked him up and got to blasting. Then a flight of shield maint drones from the hulk came out. Another flight from the Orca nearby. We never even got to his armor. It was fantastic. We offered 'gf's in local and watched our cats explode while the hulk didn't miss a cycle. The guy was at the keyboard, knew we were coming, and had a plan to beat us. That guy was neither weak nor incompetant.
You can adapt to the losses, or blame the other guy. More ganker lies. You cannot use shield maintenance drones on yourself. So ... this didn't happen? There was only one flight of drones? I love it when people make up stories... please continue. Looked like 2 to me. Maybe it was only one. I only had 20secs to find out before it all ended hilariously.
So... you cannot tell the difference between 4 and 8 or 5 and 10.
Cool... very competent. Bullshit. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
298
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:11:00 -
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You seem kind of angry. Would you like to talk it out? Lady Areola Fappington has a teddybear we could use to roleplay some scenes.. work on your issues. This is the rule:-á In Eve it's always a trick. If you don't think it's a trick, you just don't have enough experience to know what the trick is. That doesn't mean you shouldn't launch on that fool anyway and roll the dice. |
Renault T'Bonin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:17:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:You seem kind of angry. Would you like to talk it out? Lady Areola Fappington has a teddybear we could use to roleplay some scenes.. work on your issues.
I'm not angry at all. Amused yes.
Not angry.
After all... you were busted. That is very funny. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
468
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:20:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I've been known to gank on one account, and alt tab to mine with a Procuror during GCC cooldown on another. It's a win/win situation, I get to impose extra costs onto my competitors, and sell stuff to people who may otherwise have bought it from the person that just exploded.
Oh, you're mining in high sec too? How lame.
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