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Oswaldos
Sine Nobilitatis
3
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Posted - 2013.09.17 04:59:00 -
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So after a few months away i decided to come back to the game and was considering null sec as a fun place to hang out for a few months. I then remembered why i left null sec in the first place.. structure grinds.. what ever happened to the rebalance on the SOV system for null sec? |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3809
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Posted - 2013.09.17 06:13:00 -
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What rebalance? RIP Scamming; CCP has finally acknowledged that the average gamer is too stupid to avoid being scammed & has decided to protect them from themselves with TOS changes that effectively ban the practice. |
Prince Kobol
912
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Posted - 2013.09.17 06:28:00 -
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Lol.. Sov Rebalance, put that in the same category as PoS's and Ring Mining... Just a dream |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4572
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Posted - 2013.09.17 14:25:00 -
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This is because of goon influence. You see, we know that structure-based timer-dictated warfare favors the blob (us) and those who can't seem to stop themselves from terrible structure-shooting (also us).
Figure it out. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Oswaldos
Sine Nobilitatis
4
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Posted - 2013.09.17 15:06:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:This is because of goon influence. You see, we know that structure-based timer-dictated warfare favors the blob (us) and those who can't seem to stop themselves from terrible structure-shooting (also us).
Figure it out.
I can see why you would want to structure grind i mean its so exciting. I think i heard somewhere that they were waiting for the DUST514 to settle and use it as a sov mechanic but i haven't heard anything else about it. |
Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings
96
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Posted - 2013.09.17 15:10:00 -
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Oswaldos wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:This is because of goon influence. You see, we know that structure-based timer-dictated warfare favors the blob (us) and those who can't seem to stop themselves from terrible structure-shooting (also us).
Figure it out. I can see why you would want to structure grind i mean its so exciting. I think i heard somewhere that they were waiting for the DUST514 to settle and use it as a sov mechanic but i haven't heard anything else about it.
Wait...You want your Sov battles to be decided by people on dust?? Are you mad? |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
3436
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Posted - 2013.09.17 15:11:00 -
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Oswaldos wrote: I think i heard somewhere that they were ...
The technical term for that kind of information is a "rumor".
Sometimes that type of information ends up being entirely fictional.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4572
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Posted - 2013.09.17 15:15:00 -
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Oswaldos wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:This is because of goon influence. You see, we know that structure-based timer-dictated warfare favors the blob (us) and those who can't seem to stop themselves from terrible structure-shooting (also us).
Figure it out. I can see why you would want to structure grind i mean its so exciting. I think i heard somewhere that they were waiting for the DUST514 to settle and use it as a sov mechanic but i haven't heard anything else about it. Faction warfare There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1946
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Posted - 2013.09.17 18:16:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Oswaldos wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:This is because of goon influence. You see, we know that structure-based timer-dictated warfare favors the blob (us) and those who can't seem to stop themselves from terrible structure-shooting (also us).
Figure it out. I can see why you would want to structure grind i mean its so exciting. I think i heard somewhere that they were waiting for the DUST514 to settle and use it as a sov mechanic but i haven't heard anything else about it. Faction warfare Llamas.
What, it's not "spout a noun" day? Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Spurty
964
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Posted - 2013.09.17 18:46:00 -
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It's not that they can't change it.
It's more that no matter what they do to it, they run the risk of upsetting a significant chunk of negative press willy wavers.
No one wants to see willies waved
Best you just wait for them to implode and collapse when leaderships egos wane due to other digital drug type games like dota2, hon and LOL slurping up all their energy.
Could be very exciting. Currently it remains very dull and is done by duller people than you ever thought could possibly exist (let alone pilot bombers).
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
110
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Posted - 2013.09.17 19:04:00 -
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Bashing structures will probably always be a portion of holding sov... which structures, how the timers work , etc can be tweeked of course, but at some point there really need to be "castles" and "seiges" and "seige engines" and the value of a charismatic leader or a galvanizing populist idea that raises a large army !
All of that works incredibly well in eve and the dulldrum in the trenches on a minute by minute basis is just a piece of the simulated "effort" and "hardship" needed to prevail!
Hurah
Eve Sov isn't a console game about quick twitch and episodes that have meaning in themselves without a broader history being what leads to the satifaction.
Quick twitch and alacrity does help .. and poor execution leads to unnecessary deaths.. but the bigger story is in the sweep of logistics of fielding an army in a stategic way.
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And.. All of eve is not sov... pleanty of types of game play that are shorter in time scale and more about what you do a given night ..
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That being said.... ... Sov mechanics can rely on stuctures but also have system structures attacked by large fleets of NPC rats.. rats that don't pay bounties or drop good stuff ---- that spawn if there isn't enough belt and anomolie ratting in a system.
That would reverse the tables a bit and give negotiating power to smaller corporations seeking to settle Sov 0.0. Alliances would compete more agressively to attract corps with many ratters to help them hold space that their membership on it's own could not rat enough to hold.
The "overlords" would likely still be there.. but their hold would be more tenuous and should the renters strike.. and stop ratting.. all their sov they don't actively occupy could go poof to a crowd of rat supercarriers reinforcing sov hubs etc. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4575
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Posted - 2013.09.17 19:27:00 -
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Diomedes Calypso wrote:Bashing structures will probably always be a portion of holding sov... which structures, how the timers work , etc can be tweeked of course, but at some point there really need to be "castles" and "seiges" and "seige engines" and the value of a charismatic leader or a galvanizing populist idea that raises a large army ! Goon alt spotted. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4575
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Posted - 2013.09.17 19:28:00 -
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Diomedes Calypso wrote:... Sov mechanics can rely on stuctures but also have system structures attacked by large fleets of NPC rats.. rats that don't pay bounties or drop good stuff ---- that spawn if there isn't enough belt and anomolie ratting in a system.
That would reverse the tables a bit and give negotiating power to smaller corporations seeking to settle Sov 0.0. Alliances would compete more agressively to attract corps with many ratters to help them hold space that their membership on it's own could not rat enough to hold.
The "overlords" would likely still be there.. but their hold would be more tenuous and should the renters strike.. and stop ratting.. all their sov they don't actively occupy could go poof to a crowd of rat supercarriers reinforcing sov hubs etc. Yes, we indeed have wonderful renters. Thank you for enforcing this player driven system by adding random forced ratting if we don't fill unused space with renters There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Oswaldos
Sine Nobilitatis
4
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Posted - 2013.09.17 19:32:00 -
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So does any change in sov mechanic need to be coupled with a bottom up funding system for null alliance..? (Alliance taxes etc,) |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2618
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Posted - 2013.09.17 19:52:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Lol.. Sov Rebalance, put that in the same category as PoS's and Ring Mining... Just a dream ^
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4575
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Posted - 2013.09.17 20:36:00 -
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Oswaldos wrote:So does any change in sov mechanic need to be coupled with a bottom up funding system for null alliance..? (Alliance taxes etc,) No, we already have renters. Nice and "emergent" There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1823
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Posted - 2013.09.17 20:53:00 -
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Oswaldos wrote:So after a few months away i decided to come back to the game and was considering null sec as a fun place to hang out for a few months. I then remembered why i left null sec in the first place.. structure grinds.. what ever happened to the rebalance on the SOV system for null sec?
Oh you want something that CCP has promised us? Get in line buddy. You have a long wait. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
143
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Posted - 2013.09.17 21:55:00 -
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If I recall correctly, CCP has at some points stated that the "new" fac war changes are used as a testing ground for potential sov mechanic changes. This was ages ago, I can't be assed to dig up the relevant posts, and honestly they probably gave up on it by now (see: modular pos).
Pure speculation: If sov was to have a fac war system, one could imagine a Return of the Jedi type scenario, where you have a structure with lots of ehp (ihub). That structure generates plexes that "shield" the ihub. These plexes may or may not be on the moon of Yavin. If hostile players complete the plexes, overall ehp on the ihub decreases.
Say at 'level 5 control', the ihub has max ehp and effectively requires large fleets/caps/supers/whatever. Likewise, when ihub becomes 'contested', a few bombers or a Millennium Falcon would be sufficient to destroy the ihub. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4575
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Posted - 2013.09.17 22:06:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:If I recall correctly, CCP has at some points stated that the "new" fac war changes are used as a testing ground for potential sov mechanic changes. This was ages ago, I can't be assed to dig up the relevant posts, and honestly they probably gave up on it by now (see: modular pos).
Pure speculation: If sov was to have a fac war system, one could imagine a Return of the Jedi type scenario, where you have a structure with lots of ehp (ihub). That structure generates plexes that "shield" the ihub. These plexes may or may not be on the moon of Yavin. If hostile players complete the plexes, overall ehp on the ihub decreases.
Say at 'level 5 control', the ihub has max ehp and effectively requires large fleets/caps/supers/whatever. Likewise, when ihub becomes 'contested', a few bombers or a Millennium Falcon would be sufficient to destroy the ihub. Right, so 10 people can do the plexes in frigates and then destroy the sov, skipping all the reinforcement timers. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
143
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Posted - 2013.09.17 22:10:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:If I recall correctly, CCP has at some points stated that the "new" fac war changes are used as a testing ground for potential sov mechanic changes. This was ages ago, I can't be assed to dig up the relevant posts, and honestly they probably gave up on it by now (see: modular pos).
Pure speculation: If sov was to have a fac war system, one could imagine a Return of the Jedi type scenario, where you have a structure with lots of ehp (ihub). That structure generates plexes that "shield" the ihub. These plexes may or may not be on the moon of Yavin. If hostile players complete the plexes, overall ehp on the ihub decreases.
Say at 'level 5 control', the ihub has max ehp and effectively requires large fleets/caps/supers/whatever. Likewise, when ihub becomes 'contested', a few bombers or a Millennium Falcon would be sufficient to destroy the ihub. Right, so 10 people can do the plexes in frigates and then destroy the sov, skipping all the reinforcement timers.
Except that's not the way the fac war system works. At all. If you haven't tried it at some point, I really recommend that you do, at least for a week or two.
Likewise, you don't have to limit the plexes in sov to any class of ships at all. |
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Oswaldos
Sine Nobilitatis
5
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Posted - 2013.09.17 22:30:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:If I recall correctly, CCP has at some points stated that the "new" fac war changes are used as a testing ground for potential sov mechanic changes. This was ages ago, I can't be assed to dig up the relevant posts, and honestly they probably gave up on it by now (see: modular pos).
Pure speculation: If sov was to have a fac war system, one could imagine a Return of the Jedi type scenario, where you have a structure with lots of ehp (ihub). That structure generates plexes that "shield" the ihub. These plexes may or may not be on the moon of Yavin. If hostile players complete the plexes, overall ehp on the ihub decreases.
Say at 'level 5 control', the ihub has max ehp and effectively requires large fleets/caps/supers/whatever. Likewise, when ihub becomes 'contested', a few bombers or a Millennium Falcon would be sufficient to destroy the ihub.
Thats actually a pretty good idea so defenders would have to be active to prevent an IHUB from becoming vulnerable. You could even make it a monitary incentive to capture these points much like FW. Thought i would put some requirments on how you could capture the site ... say more then 2 ships or something to promote small gang warfare. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
502
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Posted - 2013.09.17 23:05:00 -
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Mostly (and sadly) the same as happens with most new content from CCP. An expansion will be released with new content and the promise of it being worked on and improved it will see minor updates fixing any issues with it over the next months then be ignored for the next big content release. (this is how many of us see CCP development, sorry CCP) Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4575
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Posted - 2013.09.18 00:21:00 -
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Reinforcement timers There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4575
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Posted - 2013.09.18 00:22:00 -
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Remove all reinforcement timers, add in donating sufficient amounts of N3 lp to get N3 to tier5 There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
144
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Posted - 2013.09.18 00:48:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Reinforcement timers
Alavaria Fera wrote:Remove all reinforcement timers, add in donating sufficient amounts of N3 lp to get N3 to tier5 Curious. You guys usually have better posting than this.
No one ever suggested removing all timers, adding lp, or anything of the sort. I would again reiterate my earlier suggestion that you actually try facwar for a bit, or at the very least familiarize yourself with the most basic of fac war sov mechanics before commenting.
If you disagree with the idea, by all means attack the merits (if any ) of the idea. But the quoted posts come off as just a little incoherent. |
Oswaldos
Sine Nobilitatis
5
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Posted - 2013.09.18 00:56:00 -
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I wonder what our chances are of seeing SOV mechanics touched this expansion.. |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
851
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Posted - 2013.09.18 00:59:00 -
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Oswaldos wrote:So after a few months away i decided to come back to the game and was considering null sec as a fun place to hang out for a few months. I then remembered why i left null sec in the first place.. structure grinds.. what ever happened to the rebalance on the SOV system for null sec?
These things, delays and stuff, always happen when people come and go... mostly the "going" part.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1097
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Posted - 2013.09.18 01:06:00 -
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Sov rebalance can't happen that'd be a buff to null that highsec will never tolerate. Only buffs to highsec are allowed, you're in GD you should know this OP. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1502
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Posted - 2013.09.18 01:11:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Reinforcement timers Alavaria Fera wrote:Remove all reinforcement timers, add in donating sufficient amounts of N3 lp to get N3 to tier5 Curious. You guys usually have better posting than this. ahahahahaha there's coffee all over the keyboard |
Posting From Underbridge
Hedion University Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.09.18 01:13:00 -
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Goons made their own re-balance by becoming land lords. |
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