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Albert Wittmann
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:17:00 -
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Hello Community,
i have some question to the container (General Freight Container, Ships etc.)
General Freight Container
Mass: 1.000.000 kg Volume: 120.000 m-¦
Volume are inner volume and outer volume, i can put in this thing 120.000 m-¦ and the container itself need 120.000 m-¦ ... so how thick is the hull?
Hmm, let say, the hull is only 0,5 mm thick ... and the container is a cube ...
120.000 m-¦ radix = 49,324241486609402029832226463092 m (outer hull) 49,321941486609402029832226463092 m (inner volume) = 119.983,21390525576280798089050523 m-¦
120.000 m-¦ - 119983,21390525576280798089050523 m-¦ = 16,7860947442371920191094948 m-¦, if we press the hull of the container to a compact cube ...
p= 1.000.000 kg / 16,7860947442371920191094948 m-¦ = 59.573,117823805232532811433058791 kg/m-¦
Which material have so a high density? Osmium reach only 22.610 kg/m-¦.
Ah, yeah, the list of the density of some materials, look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density#Densities_of_various_materials
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Ok, lets fold some ships ... hmm, lets pack the drake ... i think, they can fold this ships to a cube without airholes in ...
Drake Mass: 14.010.000,00 kg Volume (packed): 15.000 m-¦
So we have a density of 934 kg/m-¦ ... uuh, do the Caldari use plastics for their shiphulls?
Hmm, lets try the Typhoon ...
Typhoon Mass: 103.600.000 kg Volume (packed): 50.000 m-¦
Density of 2.072 kg/m-¦ ... its near silicon ... eeh ...
Try a big ship like a carrier, hmm, lets try the thanatos ...
Thanatos Mass: 1.163.250.000 kg Volume (packed): 1.000.000 m-¦
Density at 1.163,25 kg/m-¦ ... aw, come on CCP ... its between water and glycerol ... made of styling gel?
Ok, last try, lets try a real item, what we have on the earth too, lets take plutonium ...
Plutonium Mass: 2.000 kg Volume: 1 m-¦
Density of 2.000 kg/m-¦ WTF CCP?! Its between beryllium and silicon ... our plutonium have 19.840 kg/m-¦ ... so a cube of 1 m-¦ must have a weight of 19.840 kg. Btw, if we put more as 5 kg plutonium to a cube/sphere it will hit the critical mass ... that mean, your freightroom will be a mobile chernobyl/fukushima/ nuclear power plant ...
Please CCP, have an eye on masses and volumes ... |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:24:00 -
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Another thread about the disconnect between Eve Online attributes and those in real life.
If Eve Online developers followed pure known and accepted physics rules we would be driving internet cars on a map of a planet with dimensions and properties very similar to Earth. |
Venus Vermillion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:26:00 -
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Eve is Real. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:28:00 -
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Albert Wittmann wrote:Btw, if we put more as 5 kg plutonium to a cube/sphere it will hit the critical mass
It's pure PU244. Got a fairly save halve life time of 80*10E6 years. Anything else is just made from dark matter. (If astro physics can use this standard excuse, why cant we?)
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toxicvega
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:38:00 -
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Albert Wittmann wrote:
Words... Alot of ******* math... Most of it I don't understand.
The real question is, have you been laid recently?
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Bane Loppknow
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:44:00 -
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Space folding. |
Albert Wittmann
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:46:00 -
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toxicvega wrote:Albert Wittmann wrote:
Words... Alot of ******* math... Most of it I don't understand.
The real question is, have you been laid recently?
29. October 2011, around 22 clock, dont sure, was after a nice movie on tv ... |
Albert Wittmann
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:46:00 -
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Doublepost ... |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:53:00 -
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OP has far far far too much time on his hands.
I would suggest you put the mouse down, head towards the the large rectangle object called a Door and exit into the real world. |
Albert Wittmann
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:59:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:OP has far far far too much time on his hands.
I would suggest you put the mouse down, head towards the the large rectangle object called a Door and exit into the real world.
Its too late now, 10 pm here now and i must work tomorrow, have to get up at 5:30 am ... |
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Hexus Draidin
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:04:00 -
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toxicvega wrote:Albert Wittmann wrote:
Words... Alot of ******* math... Most of it I don't understand.
The real question is, have you been laid recently?
Of course he has. Science is sexy.
Thanks for running the calculations, OP. While it is a game and whatnot, it's fascinating that attention to detail was missed in this particular area. This was a fun read :) |
Demon View
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:19:00 -
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Albert Wittmann wrote:Ok, lets fold some ships ... hmm, lets pack the drake ... i think, they can fold this ships to a cube without airholes in ...
(snip)
Hmm, lets try the Typhoon ...
Typhoon Mass: 103.600.000 kg Volume (packed): 50.000 m-¦
Density of 2.072 kg/m-¦ ... its near silicon ... eeh ...
I've seen this one. When they repackage Minmatar vessels, they actually replace large parts of it with new and shiny metals, recycling out the old components. The packages then contain plenty of oxygen and trace chemicals so that the unpackaged ship can have the intended appearance.
Quote:Plutonium Mass: 2.000 kg Volume: 1 m-¦
[quote]Density of 2.000 kg/m-¦ WTF CCP?! Its between beryllium and silicon ... our plutonium have 19.840 kg/m-¦ ... so a cube of 1 m-¦ must have a weight of 19.840 kg. Btw, if we put more as 5 kg plutonium to a cube/sphere it will hit the critical mass ... that mean, your freightroom will be a mobile chernobyl/fukushima/ nuclear power plant ...
Huh? You express confusion about why packages of plutonium don't have the density of plutonium and then in the same breath explain why they can't be permitted to have that density! |
Cypermethren
Hardcore p0wnography Cascade Probable
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:25:00 -
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you think that's bad?
Go check out a frozen corpse's weight and size.
We are all MASSIVELY overweight, and need treadmills built into our pods. |
Albert Wittmann
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Posted - 2011.10.31 07:46:00 -
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Cypermethren wrote:you think that's bad?
Go check out a frozen corpse's weight and size.
We are all MASSIVELY overweight, and need treadmills built into our pods.
Weight and size are right, when you use this sovjet err minmatar-made implants ... mean, they have all a volume of 1,0 m-¦ ... |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.10.31 07:51:00 -
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Albert Wittmann wrote:Thanatos Mass: 1.163.250.000 kg Volume (packed): 1.000.000 m-¦
Density at 1.163,25 kg/m-¦ ... aw, come on CCP ... its between water and glycerol ... made of styling gel? My favourite part. Styling gel. LOL. EVE Online: Incarna = New Coke. EVE Online: Winter Expansion = Coke Classic. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.10.31 08:45:00 -
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EvE is Real.
That's missing one vital word.
Eve is Real Imagination. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Aldan Romar
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2011.10.31 09:54:00 -
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Better to not bring physics to Eve.
It won't compute. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.31 09:55:00 -
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Oh. We're not discussing the density of someone who'd crunch the numbers in such minutia about a thing of such insignificance it barely merited the expenditure of electricity to do? My bad.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Ur235
Mind Games. 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2011.10.31 09:59:00 -
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While I applaud you for your physics math remember Eve is a game and it probably would not work if everything was based on reality |
Demon View
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.31 10:04:00 -
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ITT: people say LOL IT A GAME U R A DORK, over and over again, even though this was already adequately conveyed by post #2. |
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Ai Shun
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.31 10:21:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:I would suggest you put the mouse down, head towards the the large rectangle object called a Door and exit into the real world.
I should do that as well, because I read:
"head towards the large collidable object called a Door..." |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.31 11:01:00 -
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Well, considering that you can stick more volume into a GSC than the GSC takes up, and those are cheap, I'm going to say that they're space folding.
Anyone see a man with an improbably long scarf around? |
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CCP Greyscale
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.31 12:04:00 -
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Yeah, this is something we'll probably get round to fixing some day. We should probably do things like buff assault frigates first, though, right? |
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rodyas
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.31 12:09:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Yeah, this is something we'll probably get round to fixing some day. We should probably do things like buff assault frigates first, though, right?
But practice makes perfect, and that assualt frig buff is big and players demand perfection.
Suppose CCP could have an excuse for missing work, the conundrum of our densities broke my mind so bad, I missed work or was late. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.31 12:15:00 -
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You do realize we have plank bubbles right? |
Sirinda
Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild
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Posted - 2011.10.31 12:19:00 -
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Has anybody ever measured the density of Eve devs?
Just asking, mostly for my lulz... |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.31 12:25:00 -
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Sirinda wrote:Has anybody ever measured the density of Eve devs? Just asking, mostly for my lulz...
How do you do that? You take their weight, and how much beer they can drink before throwing up? Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.31 12:25:00 -
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Aldan Romar wrote:Better to not bring physics to Eve.
It won't compute.
Computers too seem to have some trouble with Eve.
Ho w8
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Jenn Makanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.31 12:42:00 -
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Could be worse.
http://www.baencd.freedoors.org/Discs/Baen%2009/GreatResizing.htm |
Albert Wittmann
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Posted - 2011.10.31 12:52:00 -
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So CCP will delete now all massdates?
Density of a developer? Which developer you mean? The Developers of Island, Atlanta, London or Shanghai? |
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