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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.09.21 12:02:00 -
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17 years in San Fran, so let me tell you about earthquakes.
Nah....not really. Didn't really have a big one in the 17 years.
My first one was a double-header. Just a 3.6 about 6 miles away. A 2nd one followed exactly 3 minutes later. THAT's the one that unnerved me when it hit, as there is a 25% chance of a 2nd one being larger. IT wasn't that time though.
Was on the phone with a friend in San Jose (about a 90 minute drive away) when one hit there. Took it 10 seconds to hit and rattle me off my feet in SF.
The funniest was when I suddenly stumbled a bit walking down the hallway while what sounded like a large truck drove by. I didn't even realize it was a quake till an hour later when my mother in Houston called to ask how I was.
Having been through tornadoes, hurricanes, and all that, I'll take an earthquake any day. It's over and done with. Hurricanes can trap you in your house for days, and keep away electricity for months afterwards. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2013.09.21 13:05:00 -
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Graygor wrote:We've had a few rumbles here in Tokyo in the past week weeks. Nothing big though. They had a 5 in Fukushima on Wednesday though.
The build quality the Japanese put into dampening the effects of earthquakes is amazing. I live on the 37th floor of my building. Yet due to the dampening I hardly ever feel a thing.
And to me, a big earthquake sounds kind of like a freight train with the de-dung-de-dung noise thingy from all the buildings shaking. We don't have this kind of technology here, as earthquakes are rather rare (although my city is in a region where they are possible to happen).
37th floor. I couldn't live up there with earthquakes and i couldn't do it without either, tbh ... |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.09.21 13:13:00 -
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What's been astonishing is finding out that the most volatile fault is actually the one in Utah that runs right underneath Salt Lake City.
It apparently only goes off every few millenia here and there, but is incredibly destructive. They expect the city to be utterly pulverized with no survivors if a 'normal' one happens on the fault.
Brigham Young, in declaring his followers to come to the Promised Land, didn't finish his sentence: it's The Promised Land of Ultimate Doom. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.21 13:18:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:What's been astonishing is finding out that the most volatile fault is actually the one in Utah that runs right underneath Salt Lake City.
It apparently only goes off every few millenia here and there, but is incredibly destructive. They expect the city to be utterly pulverized with no survivors if a 'normal' one happens on the fault.
Brigham Young, in declaring his followers to come to the Promised Land, didn't finish his sentence: it's The Promised Land of Ultimate Doom. That sounds really bad... |
Fomol620 BrewGuard
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
5
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Posted - 2013.09.21 16:54:00 -
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i live in central america for about 10 years now. i used to live in a small mountain town in Panama near the costa rican boarder. usually once a year or once every few years we would get a 5.0 - 6.0 quake that would be centered right off the pacific coast (20-50 miles away).
i remember on Dec 24, at around 2am (morning of the 25th) a nice quake hit. before i felt it i heard it. it sounded like a freight train barreling down. it felt like the whole town was a giant subwoofer. the quake was strong enough to shake the chandeliers around and shake my bed around. it lasted about 15 seconds or so.
when it finished i called out to everyone and we were all ok. i was pretty slow though. i never ran around and opened all of the doors...i just stood there.
the most terrifying thing for me was the lack of control. you had no warning with no possibility for preparation. and during the event, there is nothing that you can do. at least with a hurricane you know its coming days, or weeks in advance.
ill take a hurricane any day over an earthquake. mainly because in a hurricane you have days of warning to either get out or prepare....plus hurricanes are not as dangerous as most people whom have never been through a hurricane think they are. almost all deaths in hurricanes are because they have no idea what they are doing (their fault) or they make the wrong decision (stay in your home that is already below sea level).
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Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:03:00 -
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Fomol620 BrewGuard wrote:it sounded like a freight train barreling down. I hear you ... and it.
Quote:i was pretty slow though. i never ran around and opened all of the doors...i just stood there. I was lying in my bed, when i noticed it. When i realised it, i just thought a lot about what to do, but didn't move a limb.
For my case, i guess that's pretty normal. I was also trying to analyze the waves, for whatever reason, and understand how they affect my environment. I couldn't grasp how my feeling of them moving me up and down translates for something like a brick wall ... without instantly crumbling it. (which obviously isn't happening at 4.3, close-ish to center) I will definitely train myself to *do*, instead of *think*, for the next time.
Quote:the most terrifying thing for me was the lack of control. you had no warning with no possibility for preparation. and during the event, there is nothing that you can do. at least with a hurricane you know its coming days, or weeks in advance. Yes !
This is something that tunes in a reality most people, including me, have either completely blocked out, or are simply ignoring it the same way as they would ignore a smell, which is always there.
The event shoved me right into *actual* reality, which hilariously compares to the feeling of lowsec (due to earthquakes, robbery, the batch of ice that falls from a roof and hits you right on your head, etc ...)
... i'm just not realizing it yet. (i'm weird, get over it) |
selket Shihari
Beanbag. Li3 Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.09.21 19:12:00 -
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the first earthquake i experienced was the 9.0 in Japan. that scared the **** out of me...i thought my house was going to collapse |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.21 19:36:00 -
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selket Shihari wrote:the first earthquake i experienced was the 9.0 in Japan. that scared the **** out of me...i thought my house was going to collapse Holy cow, 9.0 O_O
How is that like (and how loud??) and why didn't your house collape ??? |
Grimpak
Duty. The Cursed Few
1130
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Posted - 2013.09.21 20:39:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:selket Shihari wrote:the first earthquake i experienced was the 9.0 in Japan. that scared the **** out of me...i thought my house was going to collapse Holy cow, 9.0 O_O How is that like (and how loud??) and why didn't your house collape ??? 9.0 mag is pretty much the top of the scale, so yeah quite loud.
and it didn't collapse because it was probably a very good anti-seismic construction. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.21 20:43:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:Solstice Project's Alt wrote:selket Shihari wrote:the first earthquake i experienced was the 9.0 in Japan. that scared the **** out of me...i thought my house was going to collapse Holy cow, 9.0 O_O How is that like (and how loud??) and why didn't your house collape ??? 9.0 mag is pretty much the top of the scale, so yeah quite loud. and it didn't collapse because it was probably a very good anti-seismic construction. mag ? not richter ?
I have to look that one up. |
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baltec1
Bat Country
8054
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Posted - 2013.09.22 05:52:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Grimpak wrote:Solstice Project's Alt wrote:selket Shihari wrote:the first earthquake i experienced was the 9.0 in Japan. that scared the **** out of me...i thought my house was going to collapse Holy cow, 9.0 O_O How is that like (and how loud??) and why didn't your house collape ??? 9.0 mag is pretty much the top of the scale, so yeah quite loud. and it didn't collapse because it was probably a very good anti-seismic construction. mag ? not richter ? I have to look that one up.
Same thing.
He is talking about the megathrust event 2 years ago which lasted six minutes. Japan is the one country I would want to be in when an earthquake happens. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
830
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Posted - 2013.09.22 06:22:00 -
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We occasionally get them here in the UK too. Not very often, and not very major, or at least nothing that threatens to knock the china off the dresser.
Last one I remember was a few years ago now, woke me up |
Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
60934
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Posted - 2013.09.22 07:47:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:We occasionally get them here in the UK too. Not very often, and not very major, or at least nothing that threatens to knock the china off the dresser. Last one I remember was a few years ago now, woke me up
I remember about years ago now when that fuel silo went up. Didnt that cause a 2/3?
I remember it woke me up. And oxford was like 100+ miles from the explosion. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2013.09.22 12:27:00 -
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Graygor wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:We occasionally get them here in the UK too. Not very often, and not very major, or at least nothing that threatens to knock the china off the dresser. Last one I remember was a few years ago now, woke me up I remember about years ago now when that fuel silo went up. Didnt that cause a 2/3? I remember it woke me up. And oxford was like 100+ miles from the explosion. Your 61.000th like.
I am seriously impressed by japans technology. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
46617
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Posted - 2013.09.22 12:41:00 -
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Fomol620 BrewGuard wrote:
the most terrifying thing for me was the lack of control. you had no warning with no possibility for preparation. and during the event, there is nothing that you can do. at least with a hurricane you know its coming days, or weeks in advance.
Talk to some of the folks who were trapped in their houses for a solid week with Hurricane Carla with no electricity and that 90mph howling wind dominating everything........that's before the months of clean-up start.
I'd rather do an unexpected and quick quake any day. Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
46617
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Posted - 2013.09.22 12:43:00 -
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Rain6638 wrote:the noise was the earth beneath you shifting.
sound travels faster through it (dunno about further), so you were hearing things from 20,000 leagues under the sea
about that sine wave, seeing how you're in australia... wouldn't it be somewhat .... inverted
Yes, their paradigm is cosine waves East Coast US quakes would therefore be 'tangential'. Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
61038
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Posted - 2013.09.22 12:57:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Graygor wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:We occasionally get them here in the UK too. Not very often, and not very major, or at least nothing that threatens to knock the china off the dresser. Last one I remember was a few years ago now, woke me up I remember about years ago now when that fuel silo went up. Didnt that cause a 2/3? I remember it woke me up. And oxford was like 100+ miles from the explosion. Your 61.000th like. I am seriously impressed by japans technology.
The tech doesnt come in cheap though. Makes construction prices 70-80% more than in other developed countries.
But as a long term investment pays off.
9.0 in Sendai and not a single building toppled.
Take out the tsunami and less than 50 earthquake deaths. Mostly old people tripping and falling. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
961
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Posted - 2013.09.22 13:07:00 -
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I was in northern BC when an 8.0 quake hit the Queen Charlotte Islands (Haida Gwaii) last year or so. I was on the mainland but the ground turned to jello for a few seconds. I hate douchebags. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2013.09.22 13:52:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Rain6638 wrote:the noise was the earth beneath you shifting.
sound travels faster through it (dunno about further), so you were hearing things from 20,000 leagues under the sea
about that sine wave, seeing how you're in australia... wouldn't it be somewhat .... inverted Yes, their paradigm is cosine waves East Coast US quakes would therefore be 'tangential'. btw ... it's Austria, not Australia.
Also, why cosine and not sine ?
Graygor wrote:
The tech doesnt come in cheap though. Makes construction prices 70-80% more than in other developed countries.
But as a long term investment pays off.
9.0 in Sendai and not a single building toppled.
Take out the tsunami and less than 50 earthquake deaths. Mostly old people tripping and falling.
This is incredible !
... and makes me wonder, why they haven't thought of tsunamis earlier. ^_^ |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
46658
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Posted - 2013.09.22 14:05:00 -
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Graygor wrote:
The tech doesnt come in cheap though. Makes construction prices 70-80% more than in other developed countries.
Yuppers. That's what makes San Francisco problematic when this is compounded with the already 'expensive beyond belief' real estate. Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
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Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
61067
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Posted - 2013.09.22 14:06:00 -
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Well thats the nub of the question.
The tsunami that hit the Fukushima Minamisoma / Iwaki area would have swamped any tsunami defence in the world, since it was measuring in places 20m - 30m + and moving at an incredible speed. The concrete barriers were just obliterated.
Had TODEN built Fukushima Daiichi according to the original plans which said 15m higher and about 100m more inland, this might have been averted. However according to the TV the original plans were drawn up in the late 50s / early 60s and all but 1 of the original engineers are now dead. He himself said that this was raised but the managers at TODEN at the time (Who would now be in their 110s) took a "if anything happens ill be long dead" view.
In which they were quite correct tbh.
That said though, for all the negative rep. The rads in fukushima (outside the exclusion zone of course )are identical to tokyo which are the same as they were before the quake. If you're worried about radiation poisoning, Nevada and New Mexico are far more dangerous due to the atomic bomb tests apparently. Hell, even long haul flights give you a greater dose of rads than staying in fukushima.
And the japanese government cant lie about that data as NASA and the ESA have satellites that monitor ground radiation, dont have the link saved but its out there on the net. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
46658
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Posted - 2013.09.22 14:07:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
Also, why cosine and not sine ?
I don't know. It was just a word-play joke. Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
46658
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Posted - 2013.09.22 14:10:00 -
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Graygor wrote:
That said though, for all the negative rep. The rads in fukushima are identical to tokyo which are the same as they were before the quake. If you're worried about radiation poisoning, Nevada and New Mexico are far more dangerous apparently due to the atomic bomb tests apparently.
The fact that almost 3/4 of the cast of the John Wayne film "The Conqueror", filmed out there, was dead from cancer within 5 years is proof enough. Almost all the rest within 20. Took John Wayne himself out from cancer in 1976. The on-set photos of him and the crew laughing at a Geiger Counter is eerie. Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
61067
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Posted - 2013.09.22 14:12:00 -
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It was filmed in an atomic test site? "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
419
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Posted - 2013.09.22 14:29:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote: ... and makes me wonder, why they haven't thought of tsunamis earlier. ^_^
They had, although, the problem is, the historically largest earthquake there was 8.2 so they planned accordingly.
Japan has some fairly srs bsns stuff when it comes to earthquakes....when the first p-wave is picked up by the seismographs, all things like power stations etc begin to be powered down, elevators stop at the next available floor to let people out, and the TVs come on, even if on sleep mode, with an earthquake warning.
These 20-30 seconds that the warnings give make all the difference....the actual damage waves dont arrive til the Love and Rayleigh waves hit, which are later than the p-waves,. and so the time allows for the things like reactors to be begun to shut down.
If that 9.0 had hit anywhere else (say, oh, I dont know, California, or one of the Western US states in the San Andreas fault area with a nuclear power station), the story would be completely different.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
46660
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Posted - 2013.09.22 14:56:00 -
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Graygor wrote:It was filmed in an atomic test site?
Yuppers, and not long after either.
"Reportedly, Howard Hughes felt guilty about his decisions regarding the film's production,[4] particularly over the decision to film at a hazardous site. (See Cancer controversy below.)
"He bought every print of the film for $12 million and kept it from view until 1974 when it was first broadcast on TV.[5] The Conqueror, along with Ice Station Zebra,[6] is said to be one of the films Hughes watched endlessly during his last years.
"The exterior scenes were shot on location near St. George, Utah, 137 miles (220 km) downwind of the United States government's Nevada National Security Site. In 1953, extensive above-ground nuclear weapons testing occurred at the test site, as part of Operation Upshot-Knothole.
"The cast and crew spent many difficult weeks on location, and in addition Hughes later shipped 60 tons of dirt back to Hollywood in order to match the Utah terrain and lend verisimilitude to studio re-shoots.[4] The filmmakers knew about the nuclear tests[4] but the federal government reassured residents that the tests caused no hazard to public health."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conqueror_%28film%29#Cancer_controversy
Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
61095
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:41:00 -
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The lack of massive lawsuits amaze me. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
46701
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:44:00 -
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Graygor wrote:The lack of massive lawsuits amaze me.
Yeah, that's the US back in the day. What the government said back then was Gospel, therefore there was no dangerous radiation, and therefore no possible lawsuits.
edit: I think Gina Lollabrigida is the only cast member to emerge unscathed. She's still kickin' it. Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2013.09.22 16:45:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:She's still kickin' it. This amuses me ...
She's at the Opernball, which is in Vienna, where i live. ^_^ |
baltec1
Bat Country
8058
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Posted - 2013.09.22 17:21:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:Solstice Project's Alt wrote: ... and makes me wonder, why they haven't thought of tsunamis earlier. ^_^
They had, although, the problem is, the historically largest earthquake there was 8.2 so they planned accordingly. Japan has some fairly srs bsns stuff when it comes to earthquakes....when the first p-wave is picked up by the seismographs, all things like power stations etc begin to be powered down, elevators stop at the next available floor to let people out, and the TVs come on, even if on sleep mode, with an earthquake warning. These 20-30 seconds that the warnings give make all the difference....the actual damage waves dont arrive til the Love and Rayleigh waves hit, which are later than the p-waves,. and so the time allows for the things like reactors to be begun to shut down. If that 9.0 had hit anywhere else (say, oh, I dont know, California, or one of the Western US states in the San Andreas fault area with a nuclear power station), the story would be completely different.
The defences would have held in most places. The problem was nobody expected the entire east coast to sink 3 to 5 meters. This left the defences too low and were over topped.
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