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Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
534
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Not quite. Try this one: Drone mechanics are different, therefore calling their behavior a bug and their use an exploit simply because it is different is not logical. Good thing that no-one is doing that then. Their use is called an exploit because they aren't behaving as intended GÇö that intention being that they're supposed to work like all other weapon (and support) systems from within a POS shield (i.e. not at all).
It's the pos shields not behaving correctly. The drone assist mechanic is working just fine.
This is why it isn't an exploit to have drone bunnies in open space. Incursions can still do it. Isboxers can still do it.
You just can't use it when pos shields are involved.
Because the pos shields are what's broken. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8077
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:22:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Tippia wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Not quite. Try this one: Drone mechanics are different, therefore calling their behavior a bug and their use an exploit simply because it is different is not logical. Good thing that no-one is doing that then. Their use is called an exploit because they aren't behaving as intended GÇö that intention being that they're supposed to work like all other weapon (and support) systems from within a POS shield (i.e. not at all). It's the pos shields not behaving correctly. The drone assist mechanic is working just fine. This is why it isn't an exploit to have drone bunnies in open space. Incursions can still do it. Isboxers can still do it. You just can't use it when pos shields are involved. Because the pos shields are what's broken.
POS was working fine, it was the sentries that wern't. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4617
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:42:00 -
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And they said POSes only affected a small portion of players There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
534
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Tippia wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Not quite. Try this one: Drone mechanics are different, therefore calling their behavior a bug and their use an exploit simply because it is different is not logical. Good thing that no-one is doing that then. Their use is called an exploit because they aren't behaving as intended GÇö that intention being that they're supposed to work like all other weapon (and support) systems from within a POS shield (i.e. not at all). It's the pos shields not behaving correctly. The drone assist mechanic is working just fine. This is why it isn't an exploit to have drone bunnies in open space. Incursions can still do it. Isboxers can still do it. You just can't use it when pos shields are involved. Because the pos shields are what's broken. POS was working fine, it was the sentries that wern't. We have been saying drone assist was bad for months now.
So only sentries do that then?
What if I used light/medium/heavys? Would I get banned for exploiting drones and pos shields still if it was not a sentry drone I used?
(I haven't tested it but I'm assuming you guys have). This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8078
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:52:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:
So only sentries do that then?
What if I used light/medium/heavys? Would I get banned for exploiting drones and pos shields still if it was not a sentry drone I used?
(I haven't tested it but I'm assuming you guys have).
It only works with sentries I belive. |
Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
534
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:56:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:
So only sentries do that then?
What if I used light/medium/heavys? Would I get banned for exploiting drones and pos shields still if it was not a sentry drone I used?
(I haven't tested it but I'm assuming you guys have).
It only works with sentries I belive.
The wording on the notice was drones, very vague and generalized and misleading, bleh. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |
baltec1
Bat Country
8078
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:57:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:
The wording on the notice was drones, very vague and generalized and misleading, bleh.
Might as well cover the lot. Just in case. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16619
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:02:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:It's the pos shields not behaving correctly. The drone assist mechanic is working just fine. Actually, we have no idea which part of the code it is that isn't working. What we know is that drones don't work properly when combined with POS shields. The drone assist mode should turn itself off when you cross a shield boundary the same as it does for any other kind of assist.
If it's because the assist mechanics aren't shutting themselves off or if it's because the POS shields don't have a full list of stuff to turn off is a largely academic. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Actually, we have no idea which part of the code it is that isn't working. The shield prevents launching drones and locking targets (can't order them to fire). It sounds to me like a design oversight of the fact that a third party can lock a target and trigger them to fire. It was corrected for fighters by having them abandoned if the ship enters the shield, because the fact they can warp to a different grid while the carrier is safe made it an obvious issue.
If you order drones to attack a target and then pilot into the shield, do they stop?
.........can you assign them to a POS gunner and will they assist off his fire? Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38 |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
708
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Posted - 2013.09.25 20:18:00 -
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Georgina Parmala wrote:Tippia wrote:Actually, we have no idea which part of the code it is that isn't working. The shield prevents launching drones and locking targets (can't order them to fire). It sounds to me like a design oversight of the fact that a third party can lock a target and trigger them to fire. It was corrected for fighters by having them abandoned if the ship enters the shield, because the fact they can warp to a different grid while the carrier is safe made it an obvious issue. If you order drones to attack a target and then pilot into the shield, do they stop? .........can you assign them to a POS gunner and will they assist off his fire?
In both case they should stop attacking as the controling ship is under a POS shield. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4618
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Posted - 2013.09.25 23:06:00 -
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wonderful pos code There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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