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Clean Head
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.21 11:59:00 -
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Why are corp hoppers flagged by the EVE community? We are not thieves, scammers, rapi*ts, awoxers! We are just lost souls looking for some affection and love ......... |
terzho
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
296
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Posted - 2013.09.21 12:04:00 -
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Because the thieves, scammers, rapi*ts and awoxers are usually corp hoppers. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9397
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Posted - 2013.09.21 12:29:00 -
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Because they take up precious db space with their corp hopping rows!
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2013.09.21 12:32:00 -
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I know a guy who is constantly ripping of Corps to the tune of tens of Billions monthly. But the Corps continue to let him in, again and again and again. Very very wierd, someone is not checking... Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo... |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1075
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Posted - 2013.09.21 12:34:00 -
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Lemme explain that by adding what I thought was missing in your OP,
Clean Head wrote:Why are corp hoppers flagged by the EVE community? We are not thieves, scammers, rapi*ts, awoxers! We are just lost souls looking for some affection, love and your isk .........
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
105
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Posted - 2013.09.21 12:40:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:I know a guy who is constantly ripping of Corps to the tune of tens of Billions monthly. But the Corps continue to let him in, again and again and again. Very very wierd, someone is not checking...
Is that Guy = Player, i.e. Multiple accounts in which case there is nothing you can do and the victims have my condolences, and the Guy is doing something so simple its laughable.
If the Guy = single Character then the victims deserved it for being stupid and not checking at least to a basic level and good luck to the Guy.
So tell me, what type of Guy is it? If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space, its as simple as that!-á-á-á-á-á-á-á There are people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local, well they should light a cyno and try jumping to it. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
90
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Posted - 2013.09.21 12:45:00 -
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corp hoppers might be thieves awoxers etc. it doesn't really matter as something makes them pick the wrong corp for them over and over (ie they make the same mistake when picking corps again and again ) and why would you want someone who can't learn in your corp? OR they have appalling personalities and people can't stick them for long so they have to keep moving. These are also people you don't want in your corp. There may be a fine upstanding needle amongst this worthless straw but don't expect us recruiters to look for it. See long history with average stay measured in days and move on to a more promising recruit. In the end it isn't even worth researching which brand of unpleasant smell they are offering. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2013.09.21 12:48:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Doc Severide wrote:I know a guy who is constantly ripping of Corps to the tune of tens of Billions monthly. But the Corps continue to let him in, again and again and again. Very very wierd, someone is not checking... Is that Guy = Player, i.e. Multiple accounts in which case there is nothing you can do and the victims have my condolences, and the Guy is doing something so simple its laughable. If the Guy = single Character then the victims deserved it for being stupid and not checking at least to a basic level and good luck to the Guy. So tell me, what type of Guy is it? I guess that's my point. He does it with a single same player every time...
Silvetica Dian wrote:In the end it isn't even worth researching which brand of unpleasant smell they are offering. I gotta smell for you.... Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo... |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
105
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Posted - 2013.09.21 13:00:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Doc Severide wrote:I know a guy who is constantly ripping of Corps to the tune of tens of Billions monthly. But the Corps continue to let him in, again and again and again. Very very wierd, someone is not checking... Is that Guy = Player, i.e. Multiple accounts in which case there is nothing you can do and the victims have my condolences, and the Guy is doing something so simple its laughable. If the Guy = single Character then the victims deserved it for being stupid and not checking at least to a basic level and good luck to the Guy. So tell me, what type of Guy is it? I guess that's my point. He does it with a single same player every time...
You did not answer the question, if its a player using multiple different toons across multiple accounts then its easy, like taking candy from a baby. If it is a single character then the corp CEO is incompetent and deserves to be robbed, which one is it?. If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space, its as simple as that!-á-á-á-á-á-á-á There are people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local, well they should light a cyno and try jumping to it. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2013.09.21 13:21:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Doc Severide wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Doc Severide wrote:I know a guy who is constantly ripping of Corps to the tune of tens of Billions monthly. But the Corps continue to let him in, again and again and again. Very very wierd, someone is not checking... Is that Guy = Player, i.e. Multiple accounts in which case there is nothing you can do and the victims have my condolences, and the Guy is doing something so simple its laughable. If the Guy = single Character then the victims deserved it for being stupid and not checking at least to a basic level and good luck to the Guy. So tell me, what type of Guy is it? I guess that's my point. He does it with a single same player every time... You did not answer the question, if its a player using multiple different toons across multiple accounts then its easy, like taking candy from a baby. If it is a single character then the corp CEO is incompetent and deserves to be robbed, which one is it?. 1 toon, 1 account... Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo... |
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
105
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Posted - 2013.09.21 13:27:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Doc Severide wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Doc Severide wrote:I know a guy who is constantly ripping of Corps to the tune of tens of Billions monthly. But the Corps continue to let him in, again and again and again. Very very wierd, someone is not checking... Is that Guy = Player, i.e. Multiple accounts in which case there is nothing you can do and the victims have my condolences, and the Guy is doing something so simple its laughable. If the Guy = single Character then the victims deserved it for being stupid and not checking at least to a basic level and good luck to the Guy. So tell me, what type of Guy is it? I guess that's my point. He does it with a single same player every time... You did not answer the question, if its a player using multiple different toons across multiple accounts then its easy, like taking candy from a baby. If it is a single character then the corp CEO is incompetent and deserves to be robbed, which one is it?. 1 toon, 1 account...
In which case he has my respect, well played sir and his victims deserved it! If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space, its as simple as that!-á-á-á-á-á-á-á There are people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local, well they should light a cyno and try jumping to it. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
618
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Posted - 2013.09.21 14:45:00 -
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OP presents a silly question which is...actually kind of logical.
Much like asking for a full API, looking at the corp history is one of those things that recruiter types think will protect them from various sundry bad people.
It's something you learn in Awox/corp theft 101 though, always have a perfectly clean toon for serious heists. Course, there's a few comedy guys out there (Hiya Psychotic Monk!) who manage to buck the trend and really show ff the inattention of some corps. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
38
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Posted - 2013.09.21 14:50:00 -
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its a game of leap frog |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1497
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Posted - 2013.09.21 15:04:00 -
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Why do you people assume that most of us care what you do? That sort of thing is what the game is for, after all.
At least, that's what it used to be for. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Tollen Gallen
Xionworld
587
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Posted - 2013.09.21 20:22:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:I know a guy who is constantly ripping of Corps to the tune of tens of Billions monthly. But the Corps continue to let him in, again and again and again. Very very wierd, someone is not checking...
Prove it.. or your just Flapping your gums to ride the Lookatme Train. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
748
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Posted - 2013.09.21 20:54:00 -
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Clean Head wrote:Why are corp hoppers flagged by the EVE community? We are not thieves, scammers, rapi*ts, awoxers! We are just lost souls looking for some affection and love .........
Since the game itself makes it impossible to know who is behind that character, any indication of problems gets flagged..... It's not like CCP wants people to trust each other.....
I too am excited about trading playability for more lag and shiny pictures.....:( Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Karrl Tian
Ice Patrol
204
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Posted - 2013.09.21 21:44:00 -
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Because carebears are as easily spooked as they are fooled. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
828
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Posted - 2013.09.21 22:07:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:Because carebears are as easily spooked as they are fooled.
but isn't normally nul-sec corps that ........
oh wait, I see what you did there.
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
719
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Posted - 2013.09.21 22:11:00 -
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Because EVE is a social game.
Humans are instinctively social, people apearing unsocial will usually be avoided.
A very long employment list with not much time spent with each corp indicates you are either up to no good, or very unsocialable, thus you are avoided.
Its actual darwinism in effect, something EVE is very good at. |
Diablo Ex
Lilith's Shadow
218
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Posted - 2013.09.21 22:57:00 -
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I fall into this category, though not intentionally. Yes I have hopped through multiple corps, but it has been because I find that they didn't offer what I'm looking for. I know everybody has an excuse, but when you just can't get past the recruiters to get into a solid corp, or you don't have the requisite KM's, you end up bouncing around in corps that accept everybody, and hoping that you get lucky. Now I just fly solo and disappointed...
For the record, I have never AWOX'ed or stolen from a corp, in fact I usually end up leaving ships behind for them. But, EvE Online is a game of PvP and keeping me docked up during a wardec in hopes of blueballin the opponents will just have me dropping corp one more time. For a game of social PvP it is certainly difficult for me to "find friends" to fleet with.... and I usually DIAF fighting solo.
I apparently made my mistake very early on joining into a "NRDS" alliance that was forced out of Nullsec, and I've been "tainted" by my associations ever since. Jumping around in failcorps has only made things worse for me.
Diablo Ex Machina - "I'm not here to fix your problem" |
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Kialopreyst
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.22 00:20:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:I know a guy who is constantly ripping of Corps to the tune of tens of Billions monthly. But the Corps continue to let him in, again and again and again. Very very wierd, someone is not checking...
They often do check and question it, but they don't check the authenticity of the lies you tell them. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
941
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Posted - 2013.09.22 00:57:00 -
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I think of it this way.
Why take the chance? There are plenty of bodies out there to fill the place of the few with suspicious records.
And the ones you can't avoid, you wouldn't have been able to tell the difference anyway. Might as well mitigate what you can. EVE is all about risk management. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
154
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Posted - 2013.09.23 00:43:00 -
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Beyond the obvious awoxing and spy threats, corp hoppers are not high on recruiting lists for a couple reasons. For one, loyalty actually counts for something. Becoming part of the group socially is hard if you aren't around long enough to know anyone.
How invested in a corp or area can you be if you were only there briefly? That tells a recruiter you are probably asking more about what benefit to you the corp or region is, not the other way around. Recruiters can spot the player that just wants greener pastures to rat in and won't be bothered to contribute when they are called upon.
Every corp/alliance has ups and downs, are you likely to jump ship at the first sign of difficulty? A pile of corps in your history may indicate that when the going gets tough, like inconvenient war decs or losing all your sov, you are going to simply bail.
Short stays in corps is also a red flag for uncooperative players. Ones that tend to find drama shortly after arriving, then storm off after a hissy fit on the corp forum.
Mostly, that recruiter is going to assume you will be, at best, a tourist in their corp as well, and really why would they want you if that's the case?
Contrary to popular belief, just having a bunch of members in a corp/alliance isn't nearly as important as having active players that contribute- if not massively then at least reliably. FC's need to be able to count on X number of ships for an op, on average, to determine doctrines and tactical limitations....for example if your rally cry nets all of 5 dudes in frigates, your chances of taking sov are low. But if you can count on 75 people to log in with a full BS fleet and support when called. if people log in at ridiculous hours to make a timer....you have some more operational flexibility. Tourists aren't likely to add anything that an alt of a fleet member couldn't. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
380
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Posted - 2013.09.23 01:14:00 -
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Alaric Faelen wrote:Beyond the obvious awoxing and spy threats, corp hoppers are not high on recruiting lists for a couple reasons. For one, loyalty actually counts for something. Becoming part of the group socially is hard if you aren't around long enough to know anyone.
How invested in a corp or area can you be if you were only there briefly? That tells a recruiter you are probably asking more about what benefit to you the corp or region is, not the other way around. Recruiters can spot the player that just wants greener pastures to rat in and won't be bothered to contribute when they are called upon.
Every corp/alliance has ups and downs, are you likely to jump ship at the first sign of difficulty? A pile of corps in your history may indicate that when the going gets tough, like inconvenient war decs or losing all your sov, you are going to simply bail.
Short stays in corps is also a red flag for uncooperative players. Ones that tend to find drama shortly after arriving, then storm off after a hissy fit on the corp forum.
Mostly, that recruiter is going to assume you will be, at best, a tourist in their corp as well, and really why would they want you if that's the case?
Contrary to popular belief, just having a bunch of members in a corp/alliance isn't nearly as important as having active players that contribute- if not massively then at least reliably. FC's need to be able to count on X number of ships for an op, on average, to determine doctrines and tactical limitations....for example if your rally cry nets all of 5 dudes in frigates, your chances of taking sov are low. But if you can count on 75 people to log in with a full BS fleet and support when called. if people log in at ridiculous hours to make a timer....you have some more operational flexibility. Tourists aren't likely to add anything that an alt of a fleet member couldn't. Six of one, half a dozen of the other argument there. While all you say is true, those loyal members come from somewhere. And it's not always a brand new pilot recruited on creation. So a good corp leader balances the arguments you have brought against the need/desire to grow their corp & pilots. And part of that is taking the tourist in who seems a decent guy after some checks on them to make sure there is no awox/theft history and giving them a chance. Yes, they might just want greener pastures to rat in, but from that can come attachment to the people who give them the greener pastures. If all the Corp does is 'CVA, CVA, CVA, no, you can't rat, you have a CVA' you aren't going to feel like you are getting anything from the corp, just giving giving giving, and it should be a two way street.
So, To the Op. If they reject you simply on a bit of moving history, be glad. They probably were just going to milk you as much as they could and aren't really interested in you. If they give a number of other reasons as well, look at those, and see what you can grow. |
Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
3
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:35:00 -
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Have you considered looking at joining on of the RvB corps..
They have a pretty open recuitment and generally good fun.
And if you stick with them have some good pvp but decide to move to Null they are more likely to take you in |
Sir Substance
I N E X T R E M I S Gentlemen's Agreement
615
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:49:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Because EVE is a social game.
Humans are instinctively social, people apearing unsocial will usually be avoided.
A very long employment list with not much time spent with each corp indicates you are either up to no good, or very unsocialable, thus you are avoided.
Or that you want to meet lots of people. Variety is the spice of life. I've met some fantastic people over my time in eve (Tau Ceti Global Production, Magitech alliance, Tactical Knightmare, now INEXTREMIS, I know them all from memory) but I can't stay in one place for years on end.
There's so much in eve, why wouldn't I want to try everything and meet everyone? Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
10223
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Posted - 2013.09.23 07:15:00 -
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corp hoppers, the lost kind of grass hoppers. You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad. |
Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
656
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Posted - 2013.09.23 14:28:00 -
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Clean Head wrote:Why are corp hoppers flagged by the EVE community? We are not thieves, scammers, rapi*ts, awoxers! We are just lost souls looking for some affection and love .........
lol are the really good xD |
AngelFood
20
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Posted - 2013.09.23 16:02:00 -
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I know! |
SpoonRECKLESS
LOGI R Us
41
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Posted - 2013.09.23 16:07:00 -
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I jump corps all the time. I don't steal or take anything if the corp is boring and no one is on I leave. Many times I join a corp and its either ran by one guy with 5 alts or its just not fun. I've Join alot of corps and most assume something is wrong with me, But all it is that I get bored real easy. Most the time as well different time zones. I just can't found that one group that is fun to fly with or likes my rude jokes. Blue
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