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Jori McKie
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2013.09.22 08:28:00 -
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https://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20130917-a-jewel-at-the-heart-of-quantum-physics/
tl,dr: Some cool dudes found a possible easier mathematical solution to calculate Feyman diagramms, that's noteworthy alone but how they found it may be radical as they started with the concept that
Quote: the new geometric approach to particle interactions removes locality and unitarity from its starting assumptions
To quote a reply
Quote: If it helps to develop GUT GÇô great. If it helps to reduce the amount of computing power needed at the LHC, among other facilities, by identifying calculating short cuts. Even better. If it doesnGÇÖt seem to be able to do any of these GÇô itGÇÖs still a pretty cool picture.
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2013.09.22 09:02:00 -
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it's interesting, but a far too sensible and complex subject for GD you will make the trolls damage their brain cell with that kind of information. |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
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Posted - 2013.09.22 09:03:00 -
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This breakthrough goes far, far beyond rendering easier Feynman diagrams. Quantum gravity might be at the brink of being expressed in a single formula for the first time. In the near future, we may well speak of the three great epochs in theoretical physics as Newtonian, Einsteinian, and Amplituhedronian.
This calculus crystal constant is a BFD. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Jori McKie
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Posted - 2013.09.22 09:15:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:it's interesting, but a far too sensible and complex subject for GD you will make the trolls damage their brain cell with that kind of information.
Amhra Rho wrote:This breakthrough goes far, far beyond rendering easier Feynman diagrams. Quantum gravity might be at the brink of being expressed in a single formula for the first time. In the near future, we may well speak of the three great epochs in theoretical physics as Newtonian, Einsteinian, and Amplituhedronian.
This calculus crystal constant is a BFD.
Short answer to both
I hope so :) |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2013.09.22 10:25:00 -
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I am not stunned, somehow stydying filosophy i found there was something like Apeiron. New CQ prototype |
Jori McKie
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2013.09.22 12:17:00 -
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Sorry to say but if you aren't stunned you have no idea what this could mean to physics at all and you fell under the category of Troll.
http://susy2013.ictp.it/video/05_Friday/2013_08_30_Arkani-Hamed_16-9.html
Watch it and get stunned, check the face on some of the physicists, their infidelity is amazing. Rest assured the whole thing needs a lot of peer review and testing but it's simplicity is glorious. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2013.09.22 12:21:00 -
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Sorry but i am not a physicist so i could not be stunned in such a way. I am philosopher more than physicist. New CQ prototype |
cuoredipietra famedoro
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2013.09.22 12:31:00 -
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does it mean that EVE is real? Caeci caecos ducentes-á |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2013.09.22 13:02:00 -
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I'm really stunned, still in the process of reading. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:01:00 -
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Moving this from General Discussion to Out of Pod Experience.
Good read by the way, I'm rather enjoying it. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:28:00 -
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Boil it down for us regular folks ... |
Jori McKie
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2013.09.22 16:36:00 -
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> Complete new and different method to calculate collisions of subatomic particles, means (if it works and is correct) no need for supercomputers anymore. The math is so easy you can do it on paper.
> Possible method to solve many many problems the QFT and String theory has. (Strong hints that it will work in that direction)
> Possible method to find GUT (Grand Unified Theory), the thing what will explain everything :) (Speculation)
The kick behind all of it is
Quote: Puzzling Thoughts
Locality and unitarity are the central pillars of quantum field theory, but as the following thought experiments show, both break down in certain situations involving gravity. This suggests physics should be formulated without either principle.
Locality says that particles interact at points in space-time. But suppose you want to inspect space-time very closely. Probing smaller and smaller distance scales requires ever higher energies, but at a certain scale, called the Planck length, the picture gets blurry: So much energy must be concentrated into such a small region that the energy collapses the region into a black hole, making it impossible to inspect. GÇ£ThereGÇÖs no way of measuring space and time separations once they are smaller than the Planck length,GÇ¥ said Arkani-Hamed. GÇ£So we imagine space-time is a continuous thing, but because itGÇÖs impossible to talk sharply about that thing, then that suggests it must not be fundamental GÇö it must be emergent.GÇ¥
Unitarity says the quantum mechanical probabilities of all possible outcomes of a particle interaction must sum to one. To prove it, one would have to observe the same interaction over and over and count the frequencies of the different outcomes. Doing this to perfect accuracy would require an infinite number of observations using an infinitely large measuring apparatus, but the latter would again cause gravitational collapse into a black hole. In finite regions of the universe, unitarity can therefore only be approximately known.
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Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.22 18:12:00 -
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Very interesting finding, though at the end they fall into the trap of timelessness. Space may not be fundamental but I believe time is, though Lee Smolin's explanation of why lacks rigor for my tastes. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.09.22 18:26:00 -
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Noriko Satomi wrote:Very interesting finding, though at the end they fall into the trap of timelessness. Space may not be fundamental but I believe time is, though Lee Smolin's explanation of why lacks rigor for my tastes.
Then try Julian Barbour's "The End of Time"
Time can't be fundamental as it indeed does not exist. It's all just changing configuration states.
Or, at least that's what I'm convinced of currently. Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.22 18:28:00 -
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I hate it- every time a major scientific breakthrough is announced I discover that I am apparently far too dumb to understand it.
Still..time-space-quantum-gravity thingy sounds pretty impressive. Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |
Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.22 20:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Noriko Satomi wrote:Very interesting finding, though at the end they fall into the trap of timelessness. Space may not be fundamental but I believe time is, though Lee Smolin's explanation of why lacks rigor for my tastes. Then try Julian Barbour's "The End of Time"Time can't be fundamental as it indeed does not exist. It's all just changing configuration states. Or, at least that's what I'm convinced of currently. Except that Barbour's assumption that models of finite sections of the universe can be scaled to describe the entire universe, which allows a conclusion of timelessness, is flawed. Granted it is a mainstream idea, but it requires axioms which are actually disputable. |
Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.22 20:12:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:I hate it- every time a major scientific breakthrough is announced I discover that I am apparently far too dumb to understand it.
Still..time-space-quantum-gravity thingy sounds pretty impressive. I find it unlikely that your lack of understanding is attributable to mental horsepower. You do play Eve after all. Rather let's just say you haven't developed the foundation. |
Jori McKie
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2013.09.22 21:09:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:I hate it- every time a major scientific breakthrough is announced I discover that I am apparently far too dumb to understand it.
Still..time-space-quantum-gravity thingy sounds pretty impressive. Don't worry you are not alone. There is a saying that maybe 100 people alive completly understand the ART and only half of them the QFT.
Anyway don't take any of this as prove for anything right now it is just a not yet proved neat mathematical method which may result in a shift of thinking about how to approach quantum physics.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.09.22 21:20:00 -
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Noriko Satomi wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Noriko Satomi wrote:Very interesting finding, though at the end they fall into the trap of timelessness. Space may not be fundamental but I believe time is, though Lee Smolin's explanation of why lacks rigor for my tastes. Then try Julian Barbour's "The End of Time"Time can't be fundamental as it indeed does not exist. It's all just changing configuration states. Or, at least that's what I'm convinced of currently. Except that Barbour's assumption that models of finite sections of the universe can be scaled to describe the entire universe, which allows a conclusion of timelessness, is flawed. Granted it is a mainstream idea, but it requires axioms which are actually disputable.
Well, I don't think anybody can declare right and wrong about any of this, by a long shot. Barbour and Smolin can only point things in certain directions. The answer lies elsewhere, with both of them having made some valid points. Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Something Random
The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2013.09.22 21:27:00 -
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Way out there, ive read it through to the bitter end. Have a real hard time grasping things explained in a sentence based on a theory a book long.....
But ill bite.....
' But the new amplituhedron research suggests space-time, and therefore dimensions, may be illusory anyway.'
Thats what matters here, thats the quote to hang them on. Should it be necessary.
/cue dramatic hit "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!" |
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.09.22 22:07:00 -
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Jori McKie wrote:Simply put: We may witnessed the dawn of a new era in physics.
> Complete new and different method to calculate collisions of subatomic particles, means (if it works and is correct) no need for supercomputers anymore. The math is so easy you can do it on paper.
Doh! It's so obvious in hindsight! If you only have six days to create everything and supercomputers weren't invented until ~10,000 years after creation, then the math had to be quick and easy.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2013.09.22 22:13:00 -
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You don't need math to create anything. All you need is something to work with. New CQ prototype |
Grimpak
Duty. The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.09.22 23:16:00 -
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I'm taking bets on the GUT ends up proving the fact that we're Cthulu's dream after all. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.09.23 05:04:00 -
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To anyone frustrated because of their inability to comprehend, just be happy with this part: "Physicists have discovered a jewel-like geometric object that dramatically simplifies calculations of particle interactions and challenges the notion that space and time are fundamental components of reality."
For anyone wanting a little more in depth, there is the rest of the article which I think does a pretty decent job of explaining for those that are familiar with quantum mechanics or works in the field. But, it is not very pedagogical though. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
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