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Fomol620 BrewGuard
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.23 14:39:00 -
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so ive been playing EvE for about 4 weeks now. i joined a corp and now i have a chance to live in WH space.
so my question has to do with mining in WH space.
i know i know, eventually i will skill up and mine Gas, but for right now i am mining Ore.
so when i mine in WH space i can get some sweet sweet ore. currently im transporting it back to my corps POS and storing it in my personal storage hanger which maxes out at 50,000m3. obviously i want to sell my ore. now the easy answer would be, "oh, just transport it back to highsec". this is fine and dandy, but my end game is that i wanted to store my ore and eventually refine it when i can get a perfect refine back at my home base. so here are some initial questions:
1)since the WH to hisec will roll every once in a while, is it better to just sell each batch of Ore in what ever Hisec system i can get to for that day? 2) should i just leave deposits of Ore in highsec? (eventually i would have deposits of Ore all over the galaxy and would have a heck of a logistics issue)
so, how would i go about selling/storing my Ore that i mine in WH space?
if we had a station in WH space that would be amazing, but alas we do not. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
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Posted - 2013.09.23 14:52:00 -
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I can't answer all of your questions. Really not any of them. But I can answer one you didn't ask. If you can get a Rorqual into your wormhole, it can be used to compress your ore so you can store a lot more of it in your hanger. Rorquals are big though and some whs don't allow them due to mass limitations. Even so, they can be inside if they are built there which is what a lot of wh corps do.
Since you are new and probably don't have a lot of skills, I guess I would store ore up until the hisec of the day was a reasonable distance from a trade hub. Then haul it all out and sell it at the current market price. When I was in a wh and a newbro who mined, I would take it out anytime we had a hisec (because they were rare) and drop it off at the first station I could find. Then a corpmate with a freighter and perfect refining would come pick it up for me and send me the isk, minus a fee of course. This is the rule:-á In Eve it's always a trick. If you don't think it's a trick, you just don't have enough experience to know what the trick is. That doesn't mean you shouldn't launch on that fool anyway and roll the dice. |
Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
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Posted - 2013.09.23 14:58:00 -
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You don't have stations in w-space, you can only anchor POSs and until CCP iterates on the POS mechanisms, you'll never get a 100% refining, it tops at 75% when using a refining array on a POS.
If your corp has a rorqual in the WH, you can reduce the volume of your ore a great deal by compressing it, but it's a capital ship and if you have a hi-sec static, chances are they either build it inside or don't have one, the high-end wormholes allowing caps don't have hi-sec statics.
Now, when it comes to shipping your ore, I would haul it to k-space then make a freighter run to bring it over to Jita or contract RedFrog to do it for you.
If I'm not mistaken, the Miasmo has a specced ore bay and at level 5 it can haul more than an orca, so one trick might be to get yourself 10 of them, fill their ore bay with ore (obviously) and store them in the SMA ( lol ) to get around that 50km3 limit (if the SMA allows storing it with ore inside, which remains to be verified). "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator." |
Fomol620 BrewGuard
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.23 14:59:00 -
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ok what your buddy did sounds like my situation. currently ive already maxed out my 50,000m3 storage in the WH....but i can fill that up in an hour or two. so no matter what i would have to transport my Ore to high sec each day....
i guess having a corpmate pick it up might work... |
Fomol620 BrewGuard
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:01:00 -
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also...how do i post picture in the forum? i have a pic from my phone, but it will only let me post links....how do you do that?
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Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:03:00 -
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host it on imgur and the likes, then link it, you can't have pics uploaded on teh forums. "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator." |
Fomol620 BrewGuard
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:10:00 -
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Thnks.
so it looks like that, unless you want to get fancy, transporting the Ore to the current Hisec system that is connected via a static WH on a daily basis, thus leaving deposits all over the galaxy in highsec, seems to be the 'workhorse' of the methods. since i would prefer to refine and sell my own minerals (something about a sense of accomplishment) i think paying a corp member or Red Frog seems to be the best solution...
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Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:12:00 -
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BTW, if you're going to try reaching 100% refining in k-space, grind standing with the Caldary Navy, you'll max the refining with them and nuke down your order taxes if you sell from Jita. "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator." |
Death Reign
EntroPrelatial Industria DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:15:00 -
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Fomol620 BrewGuard wrote:Thnks.
so it looks like that, unless you want to get fancy, transporting the Ore to the current Hisec system that is connected via a static WH on a daily basis, thus leaving deposits all over the galaxy in highsec, seems to be the 'workhorse' of the methods. since i would prefer to refine and sell my own minerals (something about a sense of accomplishment) i think paying a corp member or Red Frog seems to be the best solution...
See if your Corp will buy your ore from you directly. |
Fomol620 BrewGuard
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:15:00 -
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my idea was to transport it all back to my corps HQ in lowsec....refine it there...and then sell in Jita (this part i might still change)
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Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
256
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:19:00 -
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Fomol620 BrewGuard wrote:Thnks.
so it looks like that, unless you want to get fancy, transporting the Ore to the current Hisec system that is connected via a static WH on a daily basis, thus leaving deposits all over the galaxy in highsec, seems to be the 'workhorse' of the methods. since i would prefer to refine and sell my own minerals (something about a sense of accomplishment) i think paying a corp member or Red Frog seems to be the best solution...
It's my take given your constraints, if I was to mine in our WH, I'd anchor a small POS and a CHA, it can store a lot more ORE without eating up space for important stuff like guns, ammos, tackle and such. "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator." |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:32:00 -
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Fomol620 BrewGuard wrote:also...how do i post picture in the forum? i have a pic from my phone, but it will only let me post links....how do you do that?
I'd recommend using http://eve-files.com
You can't post images on the forums, only links to images. Blame forum spammers that abused this heavily about two years ago. |
Fomol620 BrewGuard
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:34:00 -
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me and my friend are working as a team to mine in WH space. i think i might switch Corps to the one that leads this WH system |
Crafter BrewGuard
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.23 15:39:00 -
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Fomol620 BrewGuard wrote:me and my friend are working as a team to mine in WH space. i think i might switch Corps to the one that leads this WH system
Yeah, been thinking the same thing... |
Riel Saigo
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.09.23 16:16:00 -
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Well, one good way to do this kind of thing is to have a POS setup in a C2 or C4 wormhole depending how ambitious you are. C1s don't connect anywhere special, so once you mine out your C1, you're kind of stuck waiting for new ore sites to spawn. C2s will have both a K-space connection, and a connection to another exciting wormhole system you can mine in as well.
If you have a POS, then you can store stuff there. Just beware - they aren't invincible, if a wormhole gang stumbles onto you and decides to have a "POS bash" they can burn it all to the ground. Usually it has to be worth their while though.
One of the things that can make it worth everyone's time to shoot your POS is to park a Rorqual in there. Everyone in wormhole space wants to add a Rorqual to their killboard. I want to add a Rorqual to my killboard (and I don't even really have a killboard - more a of a deathboard....). A Rorqual on D-scan will get anyone's attention who is passing through, and they may even park a cloaked alt in your system to observe you and check when you're online and offline and what ships you have. You get the idea.
Anyway, Rorquals can usually only be built inside most wormhole systems and they can't leave - the wormhole gates can't support them. Basically, they become big blingy additions to your POS and never leave the force field. I can't say I recommend having one of those until you have a corp with the muscle to defend it.
Orcas are a similar story - they tend to attract attention to you, so you're better off not using them until you can defend them.
Mining in wormhole space is pretty dangerous. You have to constantly be hitting D-scan, and if you can have a scouting alt cloaked up sitting on the wormhole entrance, even better. You may want to consider training into a covert ops frigate for your scout. Until then, you can make do with a T1 scanning frig with a basic cloak. It's also useful to have an alt with probes in-system in case your exit wormhole collapses, and you have to scan your way out of there. I'd think the safest ship to fly in a wormhole would be a Venture with it's fast align time, and built in warp core stab. But you know better than me what you can afford to lose and want to risk.
Anyway, hope that helps. Maybe see you out there (evil grin). |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
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Posted - 2013.09.23 17:19:00 -
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Fomol620 BrewGuard wrote:my idea was to transport it all back to my corps HQ in lowsec....refine it there...and then sell in Jita (this part i might still change)
I can't see any way you're going to get the ore to lowsec, refined, and send back to hisec and still make any sort of profit. Red Frog won't take shipments to/from lowsec. You'd have to use Black Frog and their rates are going to be higher due to the increased risk. I think with that plan, you'd be better off mining in hisec to begin with. This is the rule:-á In Eve it's always a trick. If you don't think it's a trick, you just don't have enough experience to know what the trick is. That doesn't mean you shouldn't launch on that fool anyway and roll the dice. |
Fomol620 BrewGuard
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.23 17:36:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Fomol620 BrewGuard wrote:my idea was to transport it all back to my corps HQ in lowsec....refine it there...and then sell in Jita (this part i might still change)
I can't see any way you're going to get the ore to lowsec, refined, and send back to hisec and still make any sort of profit. Red Frog won't take shipments to/from lowsec. You'd have to use Black Frog and their rates are going to be higher due to the increased risk. I think with that plan, you'd be better off mining in hisec to begin with. ok so maybe not then. lol
i dont know im just so amazed at W space, its awesome. as a noob, someone who only started like 5 weeks ago, i can already mine ore like Arkanor....and have access to gas mining (with the proper support and all). these are things i thought were not possible for a noob. WH space was this thing that only seasoned veterans talked about....and here i am, pretty much living in WH space.
and now i think i have a choice between two WH corps...lol life sounds good. |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
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Posted - 2013.09.23 17:37:00 -
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or...you can just refine at the corps pos and bite the bullet on the efficiency for the time being. much better than just keeping many metric tons of rocks sitting around you can't really move anyway. if you mine as much as it sounds like you do...you'll be making plenty enough anyway not to notice a few percent. you can make up any efficiency loss by taking the time to train up planetary interaction skills. PI is where the money is in WH's anyway. mining should just be...supplemental. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
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Posted - 2013.09.23 17:57:00 -
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Fomol620 BrewGuard wrote: i dont know im just so amazed at W space, its awesome. as a noob, someone who only started like 5 weeks ago, i can already mine ore like Arkanor....and have access to gas mining (with the proper support and all). these are things i thought were not possible for a noob. WH space was this thing that only seasoned veterans talked about....and here i am, pretty much living in WH space.
and now i think i have a choice between two WH corps...lol life sounds good.
That is the best thing about the Brave Newbies. Showing newbies how they can play and have fun even just starting out. Eve isn't a place to "grind to level 80" so then you can do the fun stuff. As soon as the tutorials are finished, you can do the fun stuff if you have the right attitude and can find the right bros. This is the rule:-á In Eve it's always a trick. If you don't think it's a trick, you just don't have enough experience to know what the trick is. That doesn't mean you shouldn't launch on that fool anyway and roll the dice. |
Cara Forelli
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.23 18:22:00 -
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Fomol620 BrewGuard wrote: thus leaving deposits all over the galaxy in highsec
The typical strategy is to transport your stuff to the nearest market hub: Jita, Amarr, Dodixie, Rens, or Hek. They are fairly well spread out through highsec, so you will usually have a connection close to one of them. Some people avoid the last two, because the volume sold out in Minmatar space is kind of low. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com |
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Fomol620 BrewGuard
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.23 19:10:00 -
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so it looks like Crafter and I are definitely going into WH space.
i think we want to concentrate on ore mining and do some gas on the side and maybe some sleeper action....
so i think Ore mining in WH space is my immediate future...so please, feel free to school me on the best ways of doing that.. |
Riel Saigo
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.09.23 20:06:00 -
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You should definitely make killing sleepers a part of what you do.
First off, you'll have to, since my understanding is that most, if not all ore sites in WH space are infested with them.
Secondly however, if you loot and salvage their wrecks, you'll often find it sells for a hefty amount of ISK (especially nanoribbons). Besides, you don't was spare wrecks floating around near your mining barges providing convenient warp-in points for hostile wormhole gangs.... |
Riel Saigo
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
45
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Posted - 2013.09.23 20:08:00 -
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Quick note - on gas sites it takes approx 15 minutes from the time your ship lands on grid for the Sleepers to appear.
Some people just quickly warp to all the gas sites after they scan them to trigger them, then come back 15 minutes later in a combat ship to clear the sites. |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:35:00 -
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edit: grr. posted in the wrong thread lol |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:40:00 -
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You don't necessarily have to haul your ore/ice/gas to one of the main trade hubs to sell your wares. There are two other good options:
1) Offer your stuff for sale on the 'Minerals & Manufacturing' chat channel. This is one of the main channels set up by CCP and is often used to sell minerals.
2) Join the 'Bulk Trade' mailing list which can be found in the 'EVE Mail' window. There are rules & protocols as to how you write your advert but it's not difficult to do. You do need to have certain quantities of items hence the name 'Bulk Trade'.
Both of the above options require you to know what the current selling prices are at the main hubs. Having an 'alt' at Jita is handy for this as well as for trading etc. Be prepared to haggle, to be offered very silly prices, be polite and don't let others take advantage of you. Aim to sell at a price above the highest buyers price but below the lowest sellers price. The best time to sell is on Sunday afternoon or evening as there are more pilots online and traders have to raise prices to fill their orders. |
Fomol620 BrewGuard
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:41:00 -
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Riel Saigo wrote:Quick note - on gas sites it takes approx 15 minutes from the time your ship lands on grid for the Sleepers to appear.
Some people just quickly warp to all the gas sites after they scan them to trigger them, then come back 15 minutes later in a combat ship to clear the sites. and once they are cleared do they come back? if so when do they come back? |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
4256
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:53:00 -
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Fomol620 BrewGuard wrote:Riel Saigo wrote:Quick note - on gas sites it takes approx 15 minutes from the time your ship lands on grid for the Sleepers to appear.
Some people just quickly warp to all the gas sites after they scan them to trigger them, then come back 15 minutes later in a combat ship to clear the sites. and once they are cleared do they come back? if so when do they come back?
sleepers only appear once per sig.
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Fomol620 BrewGuard
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.24 13:55:00 -
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so i think that the easiest way to make ISK, if i mine Ore in WH space, is to just sell it to a corp member at 90% Jita. then they can worry about transporting it. |
Riel Saigo
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
45
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Posted - 2013.09.24 14:51:00 -
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They don't come back once cleared. But I'm not sure whether some of the gas sites have multiple waves of NPC spawns. |
Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
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Posted - 2013.09.24 14:58:00 -
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Riel Saigo wrote:They don't come back once cleared. But I'm not sure whether some of the gas sites have multiple waves of NPC spawns. In a C4 Vast Frontier Reservoir (I think), I've had 2 waves once, but the next site with exactly the same name had the whole gang when warping in, seems the second wave is timed and does spawn no matter what if the site has been warp-triggered. "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator." |
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