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Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
22
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Posted - 2013.09.23 19:30:00 -
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Hello fellow MD investors!
I am looking for a 12.2B loan to increase my trading ability with regional hub trading.
Previous Investors GÇó Pinnel GÇó Kraillach GÇó Michelle P1H9A8N1 GÇó okoolos rimmer GÇó I Was There GÇó Plato Idari
Summary GÇó Bond size: 12.2B (12 Billion ISK) GÇó Min Investment:1B GÇó Rate: 10% GÇó Collateral: None GÇó Start date: ASAP GÇó Maturity: Oct (+30 days from Start)
What do i need the ISK for? I am a station trader and also beginning to venture into the production side of things. I have around ~23B ISK at the moment which is all tided up in orders
With the inject of 12.2B ISK I can increase my orders and proceed to make more profit than I would without it.
Terms GÇó The loan will start as soon as the ISK has been received. GÇó If you wish to pull out before the 30 days you will not receive any interest. GÇó 10% interest will be paid within 48 hours of maturity (+30 days from start date if loan starts later)
I will keep you up to date on this thread of my progress or via evemail if that's your preference
Risks GÇó I do not carry more than 1B worth of items at one time. (Limits the risk of getting popped). GÇó No profit - I don't see this happening, if it does then the investment & interest will be paid out of my own pocket. GÇó Wardec - Station trading involves little undocking
FAQ. Q: Alts? Mains? A: Dai007 is my main character. Wafflehead is my second account for station trading / hauling / freighter. Mattikus Saken is another alt used for production.
Q: No collateral? A: I have an obelisk but i need it for region trading.
Q: Will you steal my ISK? A: I have no interest in stealing or running away with the ISK. I have no reason to do so. You guys will be helping me make ISK so in turn i am willing to pay the interest. My previous loans have shown you can trust me.
Previous Completed Loans:
G£ö 8B @ 10% - 30 Days (Most Recent) Gÿ+ G£ö 4B @ 10% - 30 Days G£ö 2B @ 10% - 30 Days G£ö 2B @ 10% - 30 Days G£ö 1B @ 10% - 30 Days G£ö 1B @ 10% - 30 Days G£ö 1B @ 10% - 30 Days G£ö 1B @ 15% - 1 Month
Please feel free to ask any questions.
Wafflehead |
Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
22
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Posted - 2013.09.23 19:32:00 -
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Current Investors: okoolos rimmer (4B) (Carried over from previous loan - ISK Held) I Was There (1B) (Carried over from previous loan - ISK Held) Unknown (5.2B) (Silent Investor) (Carried over from previous loan - ISK Held)
10.2B/12.2B (2B open) |
Kraillach
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2013.09.23 22:53:00 -
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ill fill your remaining 2bil.
i've been waiting for the new loan to open up.
at work so ill transfer funds as soon as i get home. |
Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
23
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Posted - 2013.09.24 06:24:00 -
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Kraillach wrote:ill fill your remaining 2bil.
i've been waiting for the new loan to open up.
at work so ill transfer funds as soon as i get home.
Hey, thats great, thanks! |
Kraillach
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2013.09.24 07:49:00 -
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isk sent |
X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
92
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Posted - 2013.09.24 09:53:00 -
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1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 4, 8, 12.
Are we seriously doing this? You guys really think this story ends well?
Hell, now I'm tempted to make an alt to do this ****. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
256
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Posted - 2013.09.24 10:15:00 -
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X ATM092 wrote:1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 4, 8, 12.
Are we seriously doing this? You guys really think this story ends well?
Hell, now I'm tempted to make an alt to do this ****. I'd hope that you'd get to more than 12B after 2 years though. |
X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
92
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Posted - 2013.09.24 10:44:00 -
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He'll be at 20 next month. Love the "I have no reason to steal your isk" bit too. Even the stupidest person ought to be able to think of 12,000,000,000 reasons to steal 12b (13.2b given the interest he wouldn't have to pay). But this guy is acting like he literally cannot understand why anyone would ever want to have isk instead of other people having the isk. Let's all invest in the least imaginative, least profit driven trader in eve. |
Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
23
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Posted - 2013.09.24 12:45:00 -
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I have no reason to steal the ISK. I average around 1B isk a day on profits.
I could easily make 12B on my own, the fact is that the more ISK I can put into buy orders the more ISK I make.
I increase the value of the loans to allow other investors, as previously stated in another post that if I failed to get the level I have asked for then I would start the loan with however much I have gained in investment.
I have no interest in scamming anyone, all my characters are listed and I have never been involved with scams.
I do not beg or bump these loans, if people are happy to trust me then I'm happy providing a 10% interest. Some investors make an easy 400M without doing anything.
I am a trader and I have plenty of data/graphs if any investor would like. (I will not provide api as that would list the items I use).
I am not using this to increase my 'rep' and then scam for XB because I am making enough by myself.
Trust is an issue with eve, and you see it happening everyday, the same as real life. But there are people out there that are trust worthy.
Please do not turn this thread into a trolling post, I understand that you have a certain view on this, but it has been noted for everyone to see.
I will confirm ISK in a few hours as I am at work. Limited access.
P.S - You say even the stupidest person could think of a reason to steal, well that may be the way you think, but not everyone is the same. |
The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
38
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Posted - 2013.09.24 14:25:00 -
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X ATM092 wrote:He'll be at 20 next month. Love the "I have no reason to steal your isk" bit too. Even the stupidest person ought to be able to think of 12,000,000,000 reasons to steal 12b (13.2b given the interest he wouldn't have to pay). But this guy is acting like he literally cannot understand why anyone would ever want to have isk instead of other people having the isk. Let's all invest in the least imaginative, least profit driven trader in eve.
don't worry OP this guy is clearly butthurt hahahaha
also, if chribba decided to steal the first titan that passed through his hands he wouldn't have made anything CLOSE to the amount of isk he now has.
good fail is good |
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X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
93
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Posted - 2013.09.24 15:14:00 -
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The Greenmachine Greenmachine wrote:X ATM092 wrote:He'll be at 20 next month. Love the "I have no reason to steal your isk" bit too. Even the stupidest person ought to be able to think of 12,000,000,000 reasons to steal 12b (13.2b given the interest he wouldn't have to pay). But this guy is acting like he literally cannot understand why anyone would ever want to have isk instead of other people having the isk. Let's all invest in the least imaginative, least profit driven trader in eve. don't worry OP this guy is clearly butthurt hahahaha also, if chribba decided to steal the first titan that passed through his hands he wouldn't have made anything CLOSE to the amount of isk he now has. good fail is good hahahaha |
Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
23
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:13:00 -
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Confirmed & Thanks.
Loan has commenced - mature on 24th Oct |
Free Machine
First Moon Industries
160
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Posted - 2013.09.26 08:11:00 -
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Half the confirmed investors in this loan have invested and got burned previously in similar uncollaterised loans.
Turns out that the same ppl seem to like getting burn again on the same loans?
Also The Greenmachine Greenmachine is extremely protective of such scams and happens to be margin scammer in jita local.
Would like to endorse the pyramid scam model. |
arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
168
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:12:00 -
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Free Machine wrote:Half the confirmed investors in this loan have invested and got burned previously in similar uncollaterised loans.
Turns out that the same ppl seem to like getting burn again on the same loans?
They call it masochism. Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |
X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
94
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:31:00 -
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On the other hand it's possible for one scammer to have created several MD personas to act as shills filling the first few of his loans to move things along when regular MD people wouldn't have touched them. That would explain why the same few guys show up in the obviously a scam topics over and over while also adding some faith in humanity. |
Setsune Rin
Bite Me inc Bitten.
93
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:56:00 -
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The Greenmachine Greenmachine wrote:X ATM092 wrote:He'll be at 20 next month. Love the "I have no reason to steal your isk" bit too. Even the stupidest person ought to be able to think of 12,000,000,000 reasons to steal 12b (13.2b given the interest he wouldn't have to pay). But this guy is acting like he literally cannot understand why anyone would ever want to have isk instead of other people having the isk. Let's all invest in the least imaginative, least profit driven trader in eve. don't worry OP this guy is clearly butthurt hahahaha also, if chribba decided to steal the first titan that passed through his hands he wouldn't have made anything CLOSE to the amount of isk he now has. good fail is good
chribba can actually steal titans at this point and nobody would believe the victim |
The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
38
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:20:00 -
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Free Machine wrote:Half the confirmed investors in this loan have invested and got burned previously in similar uncollaterised loans.
Turns out that the same ppl seem to like getting burn again on the same loans?
Also The Greenmachine Greenmachine is extremely protective of such scams and happens to be margin scammer in jita local.
i always love free advertising |
Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
28
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:54:00 -
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Quick Update: Estimated Profit: 15.5B Estimated Profit Per Day: 863M
Profit Per Day showing lower than usual due to a few days not trading. Although overall profit is still pleasing. |
Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
23
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:19:00 -
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The Greenmachine Greenmachine wrote:Free Machine wrote:Half the confirmed investors in this loan have invested and got burned previously in similar uncollaterised loans.
Turns out that the same ppl seem to like getting burn again on the same loans?
Also The Greenmachine Greenmachine is extremely protective of such scams and happens to be margin scammer in jita local. i always love free advertising also by protective you mean making sure the noobies reading know that there are 2 sides of everything even in eve. although I do believe eve is reverse to real life because in eve you start off with 0 trust and work you way up. Now I know this is the era of ''collateral'' loans but even with that people going for no collateral and the trust factor have to somehow build up the rep right??? and just to show you im not biased this could also be a complete SCAM
What I find more interesting is that of the 7 grinder loans to get here, 3 are being held over into this loan, and they are over half of the value of all loans prior to this taken.
Damnit, I'm starting to actually care about the MD scams now. |
Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
28
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:33:00 -
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The previous loans are not 'grinder' loans and this is not a scam.
Why would I take 12.2B when I can easily make that and more per month?. Maybe you don't understand the concept of you have to have ISK to make ISK.
The loan value will increase for as long as investors want to invest. If no-one wants to 'take a chance' as you are describing it, then I will stick with the current investors. If they wish to stop and pull out then that's what will happen.
10% is there for a reason, the added risk is worth the return. I cannot secure these loans as I need ISK, there is no point me buying X amount of X items to secure it, as I may as-well just sell them items.
P.S - Added another production/research ALT to me collection - Rex Anguine. Any personal expenses are NOT covered by the loan, I use my own ISK to purchase characters/items/plex etc.
Without revealing my API data there is nothing further more I can 'prove' to you. |
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X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
102
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Posted - 2013.10.11 19:28:00 -
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Scenario A Make 12b a month, also steal 12b
Scenario B Make 12b a month, don't steal anything
It appears to me that there is a 12b incentive to do scenario A, even if you make 12b a month. Can I get someone to double check my numbers here? |
Logical Chaos
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
63
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Posted - 2013.10.11 19:31:00 -
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Wafflehead wrote:The previous loans are not 'grinder' loans and this is not a scam.
Why would I take 12.2B when I can easily make that and more per month?.
You do realize, that this is EXACTLY what every scammer says, right? |
Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
23
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Posted - 2013.10.11 19:53:00 -
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You could reveal your API info to a select representative of MD, or at least your investors. I'd strongly urge any future investors to request it (but I'm a little paranoid).
As to X ATM092's point....I see one real good reason to not scam this loan....to make a 16bn/24bn/30bn loan later and scam that.
Remember, TItans 4 U started pretty reasonably too. |
Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
28
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:09:00 -
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X ATM092 wrote:Scenario A Make 12b a month, also steal 12b
Scenario B Make 12b a month, don't steal anything
It appears to me that there is a 12b incentive to do scenario A, even if you make 12b a month. Can I get someone to double check my numbers here?
I don't think its the numbers someone needs to check. You've basically said that you would scam if you had the choice...
As stated before, there is little way of proving my honest intentions and there are going to be alot of speculation to the reasons behind the loans, all are invalid and without any proper proof or reasoning (apart from.. "Oh if i could steal 12B i would" posts..)
TItans 4 U was a result of bad votes and terrible shareholders. |
X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
104
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:57:00 -
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"Why would I take 12.2B when I can easily make that and more per month?. Maybe you don't understand the concept of you have to have ISK to make ISK."
In your previous posts you were explaining that you literally could not see any kind of reason why you might want to take 12b that you had the ability to take because you were earning 12b. However as the above research into scenario A and scenario B shows your earnings are in fact not relevant to the analysis of the decision about whether or not to take 12b. Indeed scenario A, in which the isk is taken, shows a 12b profit over scenario B, in which it is not, no matter how much you earn per month. Also if you earn 12b a month the fact that you apparently need to make uncollateralised loans is very strange, that ought to not be a significant portion of your trading portfolio and even if you had investments tied in illiquid assets you should still be able to offer those as collateral with a third party.
If, as you say, you have to have isk to make isk then wouldn't that mean that by keeping (also known as having) the isk of the investors you would make more isk. After all repaying the loan is giving the isk back which is the opposite of having it. If we take your theory regarding having isk and making isk and use it to calculate the impact of ceasing to have isk (also known as giving it away or back) then it would imply the unmaking of isk. Indeed the opportunity cost of repaying the isk could be many times the isk value that was actually repaid. |
Wafflehead
Hurricane Research
28
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Posted - 2013.10.13 17:31:00 -
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I have nothing more to say, I have already discussed why there is no collateral offered and the silly scenario's that have been dreamt up. Just because there are a few stories of scamming, doesn't mean that everyone is out there to scam!.
I have no intention of scamming of any sort. I will continue to offer my loans for as long as there are investors. The ISK provided in these loans are a great help increasing my buying power and in turn a good % return is offered. |
Free Machine
First Moon Industries
160
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:36:00 -
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The Greenmachine Greenmachine wrote:Free Machine wrote:Half the confirmed investors in this loan have invested and got burned previously in similar uncollaterised loans.
Turns out that the same ppl seem to like getting burn again on the same loans?
Also The Greenmachine Greenmachine is extremely protective of such scams and happens to be margin scammer in jita local. i always love free advertising also by protective you mean making sure the noobies reading know that there are 2 sides of everything even in eve. although I do believe eve is reverse to real life because in eve you start off with 0 trust and work you way up. Now I know this is the era of ''collateral'' loans but even with that people going for no collateral and the trust factor have to somehow build up the rep right??? and just to show you im not biased this could also be a complete SCAM
Free Advise: Don't use your jita scam alt to support your scam thread in MD.
Invest in a new toon/account. I don't mind the grinding of rep to try to catch as many people as possible but do try to limit the recycling of toons so that I might actually fall for it. |
The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
53
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:50:00 -
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Free Machine wrote:The Greenmachine Greenmachine wrote:Free Machine wrote:Half the confirmed investors in this loan have invested and got burned previously in similar uncollaterised loans.
Turns out that the same ppl seem to like getting burn again on the same loans?
Also The Greenmachine Greenmachine is extremely protective of such scams and happens to be margin scammer in jita local. i always love free advertising also by protective you mean making sure the noobies reading know that there are 2 sides of everything even in eve. although I do believe eve is reverse to real life because in eve you start off with 0 trust and work you way up. Now I know this is the era of ''collateral'' loans but even with that people going for no collateral and the trust factor have to somehow build up the rep right??? and just to show you im not biased this could also be a complete SCAM Free Advise: Don't use your jita scam alt to support your scam thread in MD. Invest in a new toon/account. I don't mind the grinding of rep to try to catch as many people as possible but do try to limit the recycling of toons so that I might actually fall for it.
HAHA OP WE ARE OFFICIALLY BONDED ACCORDING TO THE COMMUNITY |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
455
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:11:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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I Was There
Scorpion Invest
94
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Posted - 2013.10.14 20:01:00 -
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I guess we'll find out in roughly 10 days. Hopefully, Waffle will run another loan after this one. |
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