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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:01:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Diomedes Calypso wrote:OP = Creative Writing Assignment
Topic:
Fear and Loathing in New Eden
Instructions:
- in 6000 words or less do your best to emulate the writing style of Hunter S. Thompson while commenting on a niche-culture active in 2013.
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Grade B+
Who ? Shame on you. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1579
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:03:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Perhaps I shouldn't have skimmed, but I came away with:
"declare war on new players in general"
Getting right on it. HAHAHAHAHA THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID !!! :D
Maybe because it's no fun figuring out what you said.
Protip. Next time you decide to write your dissertation, please take time to re-read to ensure it doesn't end up as a long pile of verbal diarrhea (which it did).
I'd say the vast majority of new players start with mining and missions to make their initial isk. Mining is a safe way to make some isk while in your first few weeks and your combat skills suck. Doing so does not commit you to a carebear life. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
967
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:04:00 -
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Diablo Ex wrote:The direction that CCP is going with the game doesn't concern me nearly as much as the direction the Players are going with the Player Driven Content.
The major issues in the game are caused by the Player base. Most games of this sort have a foundation struggle of "Good vs Evil", but the players have drifted so far into the "Immoral" direction that it's like playing a game of "Bad Pirate vs Worse Pirate" and the "Good Guys" are all but defenseless. Personally I call it the "Grand Theft Auto" mentality.
It is destructive, childish, and will eventually destroy the game for many people.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:10:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:I'd say the vast majority of new players start with mining and missions to make their initial isk. Mining is a safe way to make some isk while in your first few weeks and your combat skills suck. Doing so does not commit you to a carebear life. You may as well be right, that the vast majority is doing it.
It's also right that mining is a safe way to make isk, if you don't really care about making a lot of it, but that's okay, as the new player doesn't actually know or care anyway.
Thus he just keeps mining, instead of doing any other thing he could do, but he simply doesn't know about, because he gets told to mine or run missions.
I never said that doing so commits to a carebear life per se, but i am pointing out said carebear influence in the new player corps and that new players can be shaped in a way that ends this once and for all. |
Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
31577
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:11:00 -
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Nice read, although I have to say, you are not the first to come up with this point.
It's quite obvious that newbies are the future of eve, and it infuriates me every time our vets cry about CCP dumbing down eve and only catering to newbies. Although Eve has an exceptionally high player retention, players do quit, and without newbies will slowly bled to death.
That being said, I agree that a certain kind of highsec indy corps are the cancer that is killing Eve. All those CEOs that tell their newbies to dock during wardecs or even impose hefty fees for pvp ship losses, since they look bad on the killboard- those guys are a direct threat to the future existence of this game.
Considering this, it comes to no big surprise that many (most?) of the more successful Alliances recruit their players from out of game communities. While this might be perfectly fine for the newbies for said alliances, it puts the non-affiliated eve beginners even more at a disadvantage, since they will most likely be recruited by one of those carebear highsec indy corps and may quit the game frustrated without even having realized for a minute what this game could have offered them besides boring mining OPs.
For a long time, I believed that wardeccing those corps and trying to eliminate them as quickly as possible would help the situation, but I fear that it is just driving away the unlucky newbies trapped inside even faster.
So what can be done? Don't expect the players to change, people are people, they will not change. Some random ideas: -CCP could remove all ore belts from highsec (maybe except for Veldspar), so even beginner indy corps would be forced to move to lowsec or null and adopt a less risk averse playstyle. -Starter regions could be designed as single system highsec islands surrounded by lowsec. -The scanning tutorial could let the newbie find his first wormhole and offer WH missions for a smoother transition into W space.
Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:11:00 -
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Diomedes Calypso wrote:OP = Creative Writing Assignment
Topic:
Fear and Loathing in New Eden
Instructions:
- in 6000 words or less do your best to emulate the writing style of Hunter S. Thompson while commenting on a niche-culture active in 2013.
....
Grade B+
Oh btw ...
Thanks a lot !
If you could explain me your post more detailed, i'd be happy ! :D |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:15:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Considering this, it comes to no big surprise that many (most?) of the more successful Alliances recruit their players from out of game communities. They do so, because there's already a connection between them.
Quote:While this might be perfectly fine for the newbies for said alliances, it puts the non-affiliated eve beginners even more at a disadvantage, since they will most likely be recruited by one of those carebear highsec indy corps and may quit the game frustrated without even having realized for a minute what this game could have offered them besides boring mining OPs. That's, in a different form, what i was saying.
Quote:For a long time, I believed that wardeccing those corps and trying to eliminate them as quickly as possible would help the situation, but I fear that it is just driving away the unlucky newbies trapped inside even faster.
So what can be done? Don't expect the players to change, people are people, they will not change. Some random ideas: -CCP could remove all ore belts from highsec (maybe except for Veldspar), so even beginner indy corps would be forced to move to lowsec or null and adopt a less risk averse playstyle. -Starter regions could be designed as single system highsec islands surrounded by lowsec. -The scanning tutorial could let the newbie find his first wormhole and offer WH missions for a smoother transition into W space. And here you totally lost it.
Why ?
You come up with this crap *CCP could do*, although the issue has *nothing* to do with CCP !
Nothing !
It's a purely player-driven issue ! |
Dave Stark
3732
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:15:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Flame away \o/
sol.
shut the **** up. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1579
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:15:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:I'd say the vast majority of new players start with mining and missions to make their initial isk. Mining is a safe way to make some isk while in your first few weeks and your combat skills suck. Doing so does not commit you to a carebear life. You may as well be right, that the vast majority is doing it. It's also right that mining is a safe way to make isk, if you don't really care about making a lot of it, but that's okay, as the new player doesn't actually know or care anyway. Thus he just keeps mining, instead of doing any other thing he could do, but he simply doesn't know about, because he gets told to mine or run missions. I never said that doing so commits to a carebear life per se, but i am pointing out said carebear influence in the new player corps and that new players can be shaped in a way that ends this once and for all.
<-- point, over there.
The main point is this hasn't changed. When i started I mined. Probably people who started 5-10 years ago started out in their first weeks doing some mining. This isn't anything new. And today as well as back then some went down path a, others down path b, yet others down path c.
Essentially your OP is much ado about nothing, said in too many words. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:18:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Essentially your OP is much ado about nothing, said in too many words. That's because you say it has always been that way, so it's okay anyway.
It always worked, thus could as well be seen as natural and unquestionable.
To sum up your own words from a different perspective:
You are simply missing the point. |
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Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
31577
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:25:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
Why ?
You come up with this crap *CCP could do*, although the issue has *nothing* to do with CCP !
Nothing !
It's a purely player-driven issue !
Because it is very hard to change established human behavior patterns, even more so if we are talking about around 500k players. It's much easier to change a few lines in the code of a computer game than the attitude and behavior of 500.000 humans.
Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:30:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
Why ?
You come up with this crap *CCP could do*, although the issue has *nothing* to do with CCP !
Nothing !
It's a purely player-driven issue !
Because it is very hard to change established human behavior patterns, even more so if we are talking about around 500k players. It's much easier to change a few lines in the code of a computer game than the attitude and behavior of 500.000 humans. No.
You have no idea.
It's a player-driven issue, solvable by player interaction and not by changing the game. That won't solve anything at all, because the influence at the human level remains.
When was the last time you rolled a new char and tried playing with new people ?
edit: The 500k have no relevance whatsoever. Not only aren't all of them ever online at once, many of them are alts anyway and we are talking about *new players* here. |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
154
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:33:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:No.
You have no idea.
It's a player-driven issue, solvable by player interaction and not by changing the game. That won't solve anything at all, because the influence at the human level remains.
When was the last time you rolled a new char and tried playing with new people ? No.
You have no idea.
It's a code driven issue, solvable by coding a better new player experience and not by changing society. That won't solve anything at all, because the influence at the human level remains.
When was the last time you rolled a new char and tried playing with new people ?
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Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:35:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:When was the last time you rolled a new char and tried playing with new people ? Last ******* week. *lol* |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
46923
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:36:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
When was the last time you rolled a new char and tried playing with new people ?
I don't think anyone is arguing against such noble intentions.
But, on top of everything else going on for experienced players, who has the time to make this a focus ?
Not someone like me who has to mad-scramble to pay for 3 accounts every month with PLEX (at today's ridiculous PLEX prices). There's just not time for extraneous endeavors such as this. Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
970
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:38:00 -
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Quote:When was the last time you rolled a new char and tried playing with new people ?
I'm actually currently in the process of awoxing some folks with a newbie alt I rolled up.
The environment for new players is poisonous and disgusting.
And the problem is mostly the help channel and the NPC corps, more specifically the people in them.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4600
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:44:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:When was the last time you rolled a new char and tried playing with new people ? I'm actually currently in the process of awoxing some folks with a newbie alt I rolled up. The environment for new players is poisonous and disgusting. And the problem is mostly the help channel and the NPC corps, more specifically the people in them. Is it because newbies are awoxing people There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
31577
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:45:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote: When was the last time you rolled a new char and tried playing with new people ?
About half a year ago I think. But this alt was quite a douchebag, neither me nor the other players found him very likable or trustworthy...
I understand what you are getting at, I just don't believe that people will change easily. Imagine how wonderful our world would be if people would learn from mistakes, listen to reasonable advice and change their ways for the betterment of everyone. You can't expect human behavior to change, that's why our leaders use laws to create situations and conditions under which the same dysfunctional behavior may be stemmed or even turned into something productive and useful. Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
972
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:49:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:When was the last time you rolled a new char and tried playing with new people ? I'm actually currently in the process of awoxing some folks with a newbie alt I rolled up. The environment for new players is poisonous and disgusting. And the problem is mostly the help channel and the NPC corps, more specifically the people in them. Is it because newbies are awoxing people
Actually, I hadn't made the decision to awox them until they told me to:
"Make sure you stay away from any lowsec systems, those are just full of griefers"
"make sure you put MLUs on all your low slots"
"always use mining drones"
"only sell ore and loot to the corp, everyone else will scam you"
And other such bullshittery. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:50:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:You can't expect human behavior to change, that's why our leaders use laws to create situations and conditions under which the same dysfunctional behavior may be stemmed or even turned into something productive and useful. Expecting it would be pointless, when you could do it yourself instead.
Btw, you seem to have issues with a few things not related to the game. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4601
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:51:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Solstice Project's Alt wrote: When was the last time you rolled a new char and tried playing with new people ?
About half a year ago I think. But this alt was quite a douchebag, neither me nor the other players found him very likable or trustworthy... I understand what you are getting at, I just don't believe that people will change easily. Imagine how wonderful our world would be if people would learn from mistakes, listen to reasonable advice and change their ways for the betterment of everyone. You can't expect human behavior to change, that's why our leaders use laws to create situations and conditions under which the same dysfunctional behavior may be stemmed or even turned into something productive and useful. Something like a STOP BEING POOR campaign would invigorate all alliances There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:53:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:When was the last time you rolled a new char and tried playing with new people ? I'm actually currently in the process of awoxing some folks with a newbie alt I rolled up. The environment for new players is poisonous and disgusting. And the problem is mostly the help channel and the NPC corps, more specifically the people in them. Is it because newbies are awoxing people Actually, I hadn't made the decision to awox them until they told me to: "Make sure you stay away from any lowsec systems, those are just full of griefers" "make sure you put MLUs on all your low slots" "always use mining drones" "only sell ore and loot to the corp, everyone else will scam you" And other such bullshittery. He, too, could be a victim of the griefers of a starting corp ... ... and i agree with you. Totally.
How much can you take ?
edit: Why is he so obsessed about the minerals ? He's using you to gather them. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
46923
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:55:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote: Imagine how wonderful our world would be if people would learn from mistakes, listen to reasonable advice and change their ways for the betterment of everyone.
For real. People still continue to gorge on eating fast food at the peril of their own health.
Then they need lifetime treatment for diabetes, and run screaming to the feds for money from programs, which then reaches into the pockets of every American, and still no federal laws to regulate the Fast Food Industry, and the whole situation just starts inflating itself like a perverse balloon.
People won't change their diets even under deadly and expensive conditions.
They certainly aren't going to change their game playstyle at the snap of a finger. Not people in this century at least. Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
972
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:55:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:When was the last time you rolled a new char and tried playing with new people ? I'm actually currently in the process of awoxing some folks with a newbie alt I rolled up. The environment for new players is poisonous and disgusting. And the problem is mostly the help channel and the NPC corps, more specifically the people in them. Is it because newbies are awoxing people Actually, I hadn't made the decision to awox them until they told me to: "Make sure you stay away from any lowsec systems, those are just full of griefers" "make sure you put MLUs on all your low slots" "always use mining drones" "only sell ore and loot to the corp, everyone else will scam you" And other such bullshittery. He, too, could be a victim of the griefers of a starting corp ... ... and i agree with you. Totally. How much can you take ?
That's my point. It's all one massive cycle of people who are bad at the game teaching other people to be even worse at the game.
As a result, the quality of the average highsec player is pretty low unless by some chance he gets fed up and decides to go do something else besides what he's been told to do. And people think nullsec inhabitants are mindless...
Disclaimer, I live in highsec, and enjoy gameplay from all areas and aspects of the game. (****, that might as well be in my sig at this point) Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:58:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:That's my point. It's all one massive cycle of people who are bad at the game teaching other people to be even worse at the game.
As a result, the quality of the average highsec player is pretty low unless by some chance he gets fed up and decides to go do something else besides what he's been told to do. And people think nullsec inhabitants are mindless...
Disclaimer, I live in highsec, and enjoy gameplay from all areas and aspects of the game. (****, that might as well be in my sig at this point) Aahhhh
I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Would you want to help correct this issue ? |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
739
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Posted - 2013.09.23 22:01:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote: Imagine how wonderful our world would be if people would learn from mistakes, listen to reasonable advice and change their ways for the betterment of everyone.
For real. People still continue to gorge on eating fast food at the peril of their own health. Then they need lifetime treatment for diabetes, and run screaming to the feds for money from programs, which then reaches into the pockets of every American, and still no federal laws to regulate the Fast Food Industry, and the whole situation just starts inflating itself like a perverse balloon. People won't change their diets even under deadly and expensive conditions. They certainly aren't going to change their game playstyle at the snap of a finger. Not people in this century at least.
You stay away from my hamburgers, damnit! |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
398
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Posted - 2013.09.23 22:01:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Solstice Project's Alt wrote:
Why ?
You come up with this crap *CCP could do*, although the issue has *nothing* to do with CCP !
Nothing !
It's a purely player-driven issue !
Because it is very hard to change established human behavior patterns, even more so if we are talking about around 500k players. It's much easier to change a few lines in the code of a computer game than the attitude and behavior of 500.000 humans. No. You have no idea. It's a player-driven issue, solvable by player interaction and not by changing the game. That won't solve anything at all, because the influence at the human level remains. When was the last time you rolled a new char and tried playing with new people ? edit: The 500k have no relevance whatsoever. Not only aren't all of them ever online at once, many of them are alts anyway and we are talking about *new players* here. Both solutions are not mutually exclusive and can be pursued both at the same time.
This is one of the better threads in GD. Remove insurance. |
Zimmy Zeta
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
31578
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Posted - 2013.09.23 22:02:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: Something like a STOP BEING POOR campaign would invigorate all alliances
Hmpf.
Here I was hoping that some thing rather hadn't leaked from our forums.
But you have to admit, not many alliances would fail as hard as we did and yet survive the slope.
Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Btw, you seem to have issues with a few things not related to the game.
Hehe, no worries, I am ok. I work with h3roin addicts IRL, it's my job to try to change human behavior even though it seems more and more futile.
Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
972
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Posted - 2013.09.23 22:06:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:That's my point. It's all one massive cycle of people who are bad at the game teaching other people to be even worse at the game.
As a result, the quality of the average highsec player is pretty low unless by some chance he gets fed up and decides to go do something else besides what he's been told to do. And people think nullsec inhabitants are mindless...
Disclaimer, I live in highsec, and enjoy gameplay from all areas and aspects of the game. (****, that might as well be in my sig at this point) Aahhhh I agree with you wholeheartedly. Would you want to help correct this issue ?
I try. This character is a member of what is probably the best "highsec" corp that is out there right now.
We do whatever we want. We run lowsec roams(will full T1 reimbursement) once a day at least, we have our own wormhole, we mine, mission, trade, to our heart's content. About the only thing we don't do is hold sov. Our alliance leader does a lot of this out of his own pocket as far as I can tell, and he is a ****ing saint for it.
And I personally try to help people whenever I can. Even my ganker/scammer/griefer alts will happily give fitting or skill training advice.
But I don't do it for a bad attitude. "Y you attack my ship!? this hisec, you cheater!" is swiftly met with both mockery, and being watchlisted so I can continue future tear extraction. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
159
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Posted - 2013.09.23 22:22:00 -
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