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Doom Valazhna
TACTICAL AGGRESSION Unprovoked Aggression
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Posted - 2013.09.25 03:21:00 -
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CLOAKY HACs!!!! (Not as OP as it sounds - Really)
This is an idea I have been kicking around for a while now, and finally got around to putting it all on paper (figuratively of course, no one uses paper anymore). Anyway, the way I see it, there is a ship role that is missing in Eve - covert DPS ships for cruiser and gunnery focused pilots.
With smaller black ops fleets, you have black ops battleships (at least when someone is willing to risk losing that much ISK) and bombers for DPS with a few recon ships for EWar support. But, many pilots with lower SP are focus trained towards gunnery. Bombers use bomb launchers and torpedoes. This would mean cross training for these pilots. Also, as many pilots have discovered early in their career, frigates are not ideal for lowsec space due to gate and station guns being present.
So, I propose a new ship class: Covert Strike Cruisers.
I have roughly based this class of ships on the Zealot, Cerberus, Deimos, and Vagabond.
Compared attributes between HACs and CSCs. HAC - CSC DPS X X Tank X Speed X Agility X Sig. Rad. X (smaller)
As you can see the CSC has the same damage output and less tank than HACs, but is faster, more agile and has a smaller signature radius. Also different than HACs, the CSCs would have 2 less effective fitting slots, one less tank slot (Minmatar is the exception - it already only has four) and the utility high is for a covops cloak. The market price of these ships should be around the cost of current HACs, maybe slightly more.
Listed below are the proposed stats for each race's CSC. This is the link to the current HAC stats - remember the CSC class is based on the stats of the Zealot, Cerberus, Deimos, and Vagabond.
Thanks for reading! Feel free to post comments / suggestions
AMARR CSC
Role Bonus: 75% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty
Amarr Cruiser Bonuses: 10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret capacitor use 5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret rate of fire
Covert Strike Cruiser Bonuses: 5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage 20% reduction in cloaking device CPU need
Slot Layout: 6H, 3M, 5L; 5 turrets PG / CPU: 1000 / 270 Defense (shields / armor / hull): 900 / 1750 / 1100 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass): 225 / .50 / 11,500,000 Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0 Targeting (max targeting range / scan resolution / max locked targets): 55km / 350 / 5 Sensor Strength: 21 Radar Signature Radius: 120
CALDARI CSC
Role Bonus: 75% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty
Caldari Cruiser Bonuses: 5% bonus to Kinetic Missile damage 10% bonus to Missile velocity
Covert Strike Cruiser Bonuses: 7.5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire 20% reduction in cloaking device CPU need
Slot Layout: 6H, 5M, 3L; 5 launchers PG / CPU: 750 / 470 Defense (shields / armor / hull): 1500 / 900 / 1100 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass): 235 / .45 / 11,700,000 Drones (bandwidth / bay): 15 / 15 Targeting (max targeting range / scan resolution / max locked targets): 75km / 325 / 5 Sensor Strength: 24 Gravimetric Signature Radius: 130
GALLENTE CSC
Role Bonus: 75% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty
Gallente Cruiser Bonuses: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage 5% bonus to Armor Repair amount
Covert Strike Cruiser Bonuses: 7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage 20% reduction in cloaking device CPU need
Slot Layout: 5H, 4M, 5L; 4 turrets PG / CPU: 980 / 310 Defense (shields / armor / hull): 1000 / 1600 / 2050 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass): 245 / .46 / 10,500,000 Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 50 Targeting (max targeting range / scan resolution / max locked targets): 65km / 315 / 5 Sensor Strength: 22 Magnetometric Signature Radius: 145
MINMATAR CSC
Role Bonus: 75% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty
Minmatar Cruiser Bonuses: 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire 5% bonus to shield boost amount
Covert Strike Cruiser Bonuses: 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret damage 20% reduction in cloaking device CPU need
Slot Layout: 6H, 4M, 4L; 5 turrets PG / CPU: 850 / 350 Defense (shields / armor / hull): 1250 / 1100 / 950 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass): 310 / .49 / 10,600,000 Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 25 Targeting (max targeting range / scan resolution / max locked targets): 50km / 360 / 5 Sensor Strength: 21 Ladar Signature Radius: 110
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Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.25 04:30:00 -
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So how exactly are they not overpowered?
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Gigan Amilupar
Legion of Darkwind
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Posted - 2013.09.25 04:46:00 -
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There's no need for this kind of ship class to be created. We already have covert cruisers which, as far as I know, have yet to receive their balance pass (though I could be mistaken). Regardless, T3's already can fit the niche roll of covert DPS although some better then others (Tengu and Proteus are quite notable, cloaky lokis seem to be relegated to boosting and the legion is known to be a bit sub-par). |
Doom Valazhna
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Posted - 2013.09.25 04:49:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:So how exactly are they not overpowered?
Because they would be less tanky than HACs mainly. CSCs would have one less tank slot, lower shield/armor/hull HP, and have less PG/CPU. I think these should best be thought of as a fast attack ship, firepower of a HAC without the ability to tank nearly as well.
The stats I came up with for each ship are by no means perfect, just kind of a rough envisioning of what they should look like. |
Ciaphas Cyne
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.25 04:50:00 -
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i would much much rather see a cloaky destroyer. we have cloaky cruisers already and they dont need more peww |
Doom Valazhna
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Posted - 2013.09.25 04:55:00 -
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Gigan Amilupar wrote:There's no need for this kind of ship class to be created. We already have covert cruisers which, as far as I know, have yet to receive their balance pass (though I could be mistaken). Regardless, T3's already can fit the niche roll of covert DPS although some better then others
The current covert cruisers are recons, which are best flown as support for the DPS in fleets. T3s can fit into this role, but are about twice the price of a recon/HAC, and only a couple of them are any good, as you said. |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2013.09.25 06:07:00 -
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i think they should be able to fit capital weapons, use fighter drones and being able to engage in combat while cloaked, just to make them a bit more niche. |
Verity Sovereign
Sovereign Fleet Tax Shelter
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Posted - 2013.09.25 10:47:00 -
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I want stealth fighters: Take an interceptor hull, remove the interceptor bonuses (skill bonus, and role bonus) add a cloak bonus (-15%/ level to cloak penalties, ie speed, scan res, and retargetting delay)
-Should lose to an assault frigate, and if MWDs are used, due to the lack of a sig radius reduction, or the 'ceptors longer scram range/additional weapon bonus, it should lose to normal 'ceptors too. |
Sato Page
TACTICAL AGGRESSION Unprovoked Aggression
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Posted - 2013.09.25 11:04:00 -
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OP... now all you need is covert logi to form a unstoppable black op hot drop blob. |
Daichi Yamato
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.25 11:34:00 -
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i'd leave this role to the T3's. even if T3's get nerfed, i imagine they'd still be able to fill an equivalent role to what ur proposing.
a cheaper T2 variant like these ships are massively over powered solo beasts, especially the gal CSC which is hilariously better than the other three. why tank bonuses on gal and minnie CSC? if they are meant to be cloaky glass cannons, then swap them for application bonuses (tracking and fall off respectively).
also reduce or remove MWD sig bonus. There are no vets in EVE. Only varying levels of Noobery. |
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Ciaphas Cyne
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:03:00 -
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Verity Sovereign wrote:I want stealth fighters: Take an interceptor hull, remove the interceptor bonuses (skill bonus, and role bonus) add a cloak bonus (-15%/ level to cloak penalties, ie speed, scan res, and retargetting delay)
-Should lose to an assault frigate, and if MWDs are used, due to the lack of a sig radius reduction, or the 'ceptors longer scram range/additional weapon bonus, it should lose to normal 'ceptors too.
anything that turns a standard cloak into a cov ops is a bad idea |
J A Aloysiusz
Precision Strike Brigade Easily Excited
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:02:00 -
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the sig bonus would be OP.
the entire idea of black ops is that it's entirely based on suprisebuttsekz. if the ships are even remotely decent, nobody engages regular fleets anymore because the blops is always waiting. |
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