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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
337
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:15:00 -
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If CCP was so desperate to hand these unique ships out again, then instead of going through a third party source, why not give each active pilot one ticket per year of subscription time and have a random lottery that way? Thus a player that has been loyal for ten years would have ten tickets. And what stories would an one year old "newbie" have when he or she suddenly inherits from his passing uncle three times over a ship people would kill for?
Just a thought. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
3594
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:15:00 -
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Ruskarn Andedare wrote:Doc Fury wrote:/adjusts tinfoil.
Maybe this is just a clever way to move attention away from how crappy the winter expansion is going to be.
What? So if we're all really wound up by this unbelievably stupid idea they think we won't notice any other stupid things they announce? Yeah, it could work, sounds legit
Difficulty: CCP
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Dalziel Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:16:00 -
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-1 eve account. Good job CCP. |
Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
134
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:19:00 -
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Oh grow up people.
There's 4 of those ships reintroduced. Total. +4 Ishukone Scorps on giveaway as well.
And Blink is actually making it a Blast draw - tickets are gained just by playing the lottery. They will be won by some lucky guy who may keep them forever in the hangar. He may sell them to rich collectors to set himself up for a good chunk of his life. He may be a mutton and get scammed out of one.
Maybe we'll see a ~spacefamous~ elite solo pvp figure take out a Guardian Vexor out for a spin. Maybe its demise will see the headlines, like the destruction of Garmon's Adrastia.
Will there be more? Considering the violent backlash CCP is receiving now, I doubt it - but it's not necessarily a bad step on their behalf. They're adding something unique, ships eight people out of thousands will take home. Considering many newer players may have never heard of the Golden Magnate destroyed by m0o or seen a Guardian-Vexor, I don't mind their brief reappearance. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet? |
semieren Outamon
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:20:00 -
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captain foivos wrote:Can someone with a CCP nametag please explain to me why Somer Blink was selected to hold a lottery and be given what is, essentially, at least a trillion free ISK plus countless USD from additional sales of GTCs through their game site due to increased player traffic from this event?
Because if there's one thing this game doesn't need, it's CCP handing players more free and undeserved money.
Because CCP knows the real size of Somer blink's wallet. This addition of 4+ T ISK in ships is peanuts compared to what they already own and perhaps the fleet of 100+ tournament ships purchased via alts. |
Rainbow Dash
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:22:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Aesheera wrote:Ra Jackson wrote: Maybe you are just a bit slow, so let me try to explain. 4 ships are not creating anything content wise, that is true. And this is actually the problem. The only purpose is to make Somer a crapton of (additional) ISK and devalue the original unique ships. As a side effect you can trash the history connected to them because, well, it's not relevant anymore.
/edit: If Somer want to make lotteries with those ships they should buy them in the game, but this is total and utter favoritism.
Maybe you are just a bit daft, so let me wake you up. 4 ships are hardly affecting anything related to the history of these unique ships. 20 + 4 ingame equals rare still. So what if 4 more are released? Devalued? Get serious. General discussion seems to be a cesspool of QQ and complaints rather than a 'general discussion' nowadays. Everybody jumps each other cry-bandwagon and the random justification attempts to support these whines is, however creative at times, the ONLY thing that's affecting the game. Not 4 ships being granted to some lottery. Grow up. Are you being completely blind? Once this happens, it is most certain that MORE UNIQUE SHIPS will be flooded in the market.
They pretty much stated AT ships would be re-released, just not "through a lottery system" |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4679
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:28:00 -
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Rainbow Dash wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:Aesheera wrote:Ra Jackson wrote: Maybe you are just a bit slow, so let me try to explain. 4 ships are not creating anything content wise, that is true. And this is actually the problem. The only purpose is to make Somer a crapton of (additional) ISK and devalue the original unique ships. As a side effect you can trash the history connected to them because, well, it's not relevant anymore.
/edit: If Somer want to make lotteries with those ships they should buy them in the game, but this is total and utter favoritism.
Maybe you are just a bit daft, so let me wake you up. 4 ships are hardly affecting anything related to the history of these unique ships. 20 + 4 ingame equals rare still. So what if 4 more are released? Devalued? Get serious. General discussion seems to be a cesspool of QQ and complaints rather than a 'general discussion' nowadays. Everybody jumps each other cry-bandwagon and the random justification attempts to support these whines is, however creative at times, the ONLY thing that's affecting the game. Not 4 ships being granted to some lottery. Grow up. Are you being completely blind? Once this happens, it is most certain that MORE UNIQUE SHIPS will be flooded in the market. They pretty much stated AT ships would be re-released, just not "through a lottery system" Also **** you CCP, if I would have known this was happening I wouldn't have resubbed for a year. At least you won't get money for any of my other accounts. Actually, as far as tournament ships go, this is what they said.
Quote:LetGÇÖs look at some of the other ships. Tournament ships will not be handed out in this fashion ever. These ships require full alliances to work hard over a long period of time so handing them out for free would absolutely cheapen the achievements of teams like Verge of Collapse, HYDRA RELOADED and Pandemic Legion and this is not what we are aiming for.
The Gold Magnate no longer exists in game, so nothing is being devalued.
The Guardian-Vexor, to my knowledge, was never billed as a limited edition never to be released again ship when it was created. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries Exiliar Syndicate
128
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:29:00 -
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I dont like this. I mean, can we expect Raven state issues and Tempest tribal issues given away this year as well? Pff |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
330
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:29:00 -
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Aesheera wrote:Ra Jackson wrote: Maybe you are just a bit slow, so let me try to explain. 4 ships are not creating anything content wise, that is true. And this is actually the problem. The only purpose is to make Somer a crapton of (additional) ISK and devalue the original unique ships. As a side effect you can trash the history connected to them because, well, it's not relevant anymore.
/edit: If Somer want to make lotteries with those ships they should buy them in the game, but this is total and utter favoritism.
Maybe you are just a bit daft, so let me wake you up. 4 ships are hardly affecting anything related to the history of these unique ships. 20 + 4 ingame equals rare still. So what if 4 more are released? Devalued? Get serious. General discussion seems to be a cesspool of QQ and complaints rather than a 'general discussion' nowadays. Everybody jumps each other cry-bandwagon and the random justification attempts to support these whines is, however creative at times, the ONLY thing that's affecting the game. Not 4 ships being granted to some lottery. Grow up.
Is not the 4 ships granted to some lottery, it's the way it is being given to a group of Eve players who will benifit massively from it, what if CCP produced something from thin air and handed them over to the CFC ? which, love them or hate them have done a lot more for EVE than somer and his blink has, if they want to give away rare items they should buy them with isk and then run a lottery.
CCP should never be seen as favouring one group of players over another. |
Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
162
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:30:00 -
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I see nothing wrong with repurposing things that no longer exist in the game. I don't think the fact that a ship is reintroduced destroys or devalues that there was one guy who used to be the only owner and he lost it. |
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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
330
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:31:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:[ The Gold Magnate no longer exists in game, so nothing is being devalued.
I'd disagree with that, the story of it has been devalued greatly and to a lot that matters and not in a RP way. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1777
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:32:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
They pretty much stated AT ships would be re-released, just not "through a lottery system"
Also **** you CCP, if I would have known this was happening I wouldn't have resubbed for a year. At least you won't get money for any of my other accounts.
Actually, as far as tournament ships go, this is what they said.
Quote:LetGÇÖs look at some of the other ships. Tournament ships will not be handed out in this fashion ever. These ships require full alliances to work hard over a long period of time so handing them out for free would absolutely cheapen the achievements of teams like Verge of Collapse, HYDRA RELOADED and Pandemic Legion and this is not what we are aiming for.
The Gold Magnate no longer exists in game, so nothing is being devalued.
The Guardian-Vexor, to my knowledge, was never billed as a limited edition never to be released again ship when it was created.[/quote]
You do realize that GV was issued as part of a "tournament?" Know your history first. |
Cursan Voran
Jita Traders Society
18
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:33:00 -
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:CCP:
Why do you always **** things up?
Every time EVE seems to be going ok you pull a **** move and get players hating you again. Why? Why? Why do you do this? |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1126
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:34:00 -
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Cursan Voran wrote::CCP:
Why do you always **** things up?
Every time EVE seems to be going ok you pull a **** move and get players hating you again. Why? Why? Why do you do this?
Hubris Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Representing Goonswarm Federation, Goonwaffe, CFC Finance, Greater Economic Co-Prosperity Sphere, CFC Rental Program, Burn Jita, CFC Supply, and who knows what else.-á Vile Rat: You'e the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Rainbow Dash
The Scope Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:35:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Rainbow Dash wrote:The Antiquarian wrote:
Are you being completely blind? Once this happens, it is most certain that MORE UNIQUE SHIPS will be flooded in the market.
They pretty much stated AT ships would be re-released, just not "through a lottery system" Also **** you CCP, if I would have known this was happening I wouldn't have resubbed for a year. At least you won't get money for any of my other accounts. Actually, as far as tournament ships go, this is what they said. Quote:LetGÇÖs look at some of the other ships. Tournament ships will not be handed out in this fashion ever. These ships require full alliances to work hard over a long period of time so handing them out for free would absolutely cheapen the achievements of teams like Verge of Collapse, HYDRA RELOADED and Pandemic Legion and this is not what we are aiming for. The Gold Magnate no longer exists in game, so nothing is being devalued. The Guardian-Vexor, to my knowledge, was never billed as a limited edition never to be released again ship when it was created.
CCP said in May they would never re-release the GV. Ignoring that, they pretty specifically say in that statement that tournament ships will not be re-released through a similar event, implying that they will re-release them. I petitioned it, and since we're not allowed to post petitions here, let's just say CCP said something along the lines of "there is no guarantee, nor has there ever been, that we will not reintroduce these ships as rewards for other activities"
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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
118
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:38:00 -
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As a person who uses the Eve economy, I trade mainly in high value collectables such as ships.
I have owned and traded a G-vex owned and traded a few torny ships and currently trading IWS
To just give them away really screws with your own ingame economy, surely the economist chap has put these concerns over?
CCP you are devaluing things people have worked hard to acquire, and people are working towards as a "goal" and people are trading, I have played this game for almost 10 years, stop giving us a sandbox to play with then messing with our sandcastles.
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iskflakes
690
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:38:00 -
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This is very bad. Very bad.
Why give Somer the free billions?
Why re-release rare ships that some people paid a fortune for? - |
Big Lynx
D3ath Wingz
10
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:40:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:This is very bad. Very bad.
Why give Somer the free billions?
Why re-release rare ships that some people paid a fortune for?
Good question? a dev online? |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1327
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:40:00 -
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Just a thought, did the CSM know about, and support or challenge CCP when it was suggested that free ships be given/gifted to a player corp? This is not a signature. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1778
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:41:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:This is very bad. Very bad.
Why give Somer the free billions?
Why re-release rare ships that some people paid a fortune for?
Not just that, with the re-release of these rare unique ships, it is devaluing the pre-existing collectors' networth. This handout of rare ships is only the beginning of full promulgation of unique ships in the future. |
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Bronco Platz
Intercosmic Fruit Company
20
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:43:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Just a thought, did the CSM know about, and support or challenge CCP when it was suggested that free ships be given/gifted to a player corp?
I wonder, that not even Malcanics was here, to write one of his famous one-liners. But if I read correctly @Jesters Trek, there is a CSM-Stakeholders-Meeting today. Maybe they can bring it up there. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1126
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:44:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Just a thought, did the CSM know about, and support or challenge CCP when it was suggested that free ships be given/gifted to a player corp?
No. The CSM was not consulted.
Trebors Statement
This is pretty much always the case when something explodes in drama. CCP makes a decision that most any player would say is a bad idea. They will then circle the wagons a bit and wonder why there is so much rage. I believe their intentions were probably good and pure with this move. The issue is it is such a horrible decision to hand out favoritism to player groups that it can never work out. If CCP wants to do something like this, they should run the lotto and do it with new ship types. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal - Representing Goonswarm Federation, Goonwaffe, CFC Finance, Greater Economic Co-Prosperity Sphere, CFC Rental Program, Burn Jita, CFC Supply, and who knows what else.-á Vile Rat: You'e the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3483
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:44:00 -
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Is this actually happening for real?
Giving Guardian Vexors to Blink?
ffs this is outrageously terrible, CCP cancel this bullshit
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
295
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:48:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Just a thought, did the CSM know about, and support or challenge CCP when it was suggested that free ships be given/gifted to a player corp?
Apparently it is as much news to them as to us and seems just as unwelcome.
Jester's Trek: Something in the air
Another classic example of the old CCP "foot in mouth and swallow hard" style of player relations. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
30
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:48:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Just a thought, did the CSM know about, and support or challenge CCP when it was suggested that free ships be given/gifted to a player corp? Nope |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1975
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:49:00 -
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Please, SOMER, steal the ships. SOMER scamming CCP will be the most infamous theft of all time. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
254
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:49:00 -
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So Somer is now CCP-endorsed? Is CCP in control of the method by which their lotteries are conducted? If not, how will they ensure that the lottery isn't subverted? If the answer is "they can't," this is quite possibly the stupidest idea they've ever had. It is deeply troubling that CCP would ever get involved with any lottery service in EVE. There is simply no way to differentiate a legitimate lottery service from a scam unless you control it.
I also wasn't aware that CCP was in the habit of distributing huge windfalls to private organizations. Where is my Black Frog Edition Rhea for founding Black Frog (the best stats taken from all 4 racial JFs, with total black skin and red lights).?
Srsly, WTF!? Bokononist
-á |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
30
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:49:00 -
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Roime wrote:Is this actually happening for real?
Giving Guardian Vexors to Blink?
ffs this is outrageously terrible, CCP cancel this bullshit
Guardian-Vexors, Golden Magnates and Ishukone Scorpions, yes. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1331
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:51:00 -
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Nice to see CCP and the CSM working as a close knit team for the good of the game. This is not a signature. |
Allianc
Novatech Armada Against ALL Authorities
9
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:51:00 -
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Have we forgotten T20 so soon CCP?
Those ships are done, let them stay done. |
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