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Barbie D0ll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:18:00 -
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Thalen Draganos wrote:Xtreem wrote:Might as well give it to goons tbh not like they can **** many more people off by doing it. True. It seems SOMER have pissed a lot more people off than I thought.
Come to think of it, I don't think SOMER has anything ingame that can be attacked and/or blown up. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2091
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:18:00 -
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Sirane Elrek wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote: They lose the 10 isk shiny, but have 20 x 1 isk from each player
so they still profit.
or they could just give the 10 isk shiny to an alt or a "good friend" and have both the shiny and the 20 isk
Of course, if you can have your cake and eat it too then who wouldn't.
But even in an absolute best case scenario, in which somer are altruistic saintly people, they still benefit extremely unfairly. |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
122
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:21:00 -
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to be fair I don't blame somer (although if they turned round and refused the ships would be pretty damned noble of them) I blame CCP for even thinking this is half a good idea..
If CCP convoes me and offered me a half a trillion isks worth of stuff, I would find it hard to say no also! |
i hatechosingnames
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:22:00 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:i hatechosingnames wrote:Dod Kalm wrote:School Nickname Worldmonkey wrote:If you give me a shiny ship and batlec1 a Megathron Federate Issue, I'll be ok with this lottery. He really loves that ship. Baltec1 clearly needs a Megathron Federate Issue He needs a Megathron Baltec Issue. (and maybe a BPO for alliance use) You forgot it needs to be able to fit a CovOps cloak, bomb launcher and have a jump drive.
What was I thinking?
2 Turret slots - 400% bonus to Large Hybrid damage Can fit covert ops cloak Interdiction sphere launcher Bomb Launcher Aurora Ominae 6.5 ly jump drive range.
Anything else you think this will need for 'balance'? |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
397
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:25:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Weaselior wrote:Lee Saisima wrote:Blink has a business plan and Goonswarm doesn't. Goons are small-fry nowadays anyway. I laid out an excellent business plan: we will take CCP's gifts, and sell them to the public, and pocket the proceeds. What more would we need? Idea for ya, CCP gives you stuff, you pack VFK station with said stuff. If your home station is conquered you contract said items over to whomever does this?
we hereby surrender to groon |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16657
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:27:00 -
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Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
4
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:28:00 -
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Barbie D0ll wrote:Thalen Draganos wrote:Xtreem wrote:Might as well give it to goons tbh not like they can **** many more people off by doing it. True. It seems SOMER have pissed a lot more people off than I thought. Come to think of it, I don't think SOMER has anything ingame that can be attacked and/or blown up. When you have a big win they deliver it on request to other trade hubs/stations. So there's something out in space that belongs to them, if you manage to track it down. You could also go to low sec and harass the winners who take capital winnings in ship form, but not the organization itself.
Realistically, the vast majority of the stuff never leaves Jita 4-4 or just gets paid out as isk/converted to credit on the site to start with. Many of the prizes pay out more ISK than Jita sell orders for the, item just to save them the legwork of item trades. You also get a bonus for converting to credit instead of taking ISK, so they don't have to actually do any work at all. You send the corp the ISK, API makes it show up on the web site, then you click some buttons until you're out of credit. |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
4
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:33:00 -
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i hatechosingnames wrote: What was I thinking?
2 Turret slots - 400% bonus to Large Hybrid damage Can fit covert ops cloak Interdiction sphere launcher Bomb Launcher Aurora Ominae 6.5 ly jump drive range.
Anything else you think this will need for 'balance'?
I think you missed the entire point of a Megathron Baltec Issue
baltec1 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:baltec1 wrote:Tippia wrote: You're just bitter you can't fit a bomb launcher on your Mega.
Its one of my three big issues in life. I hesitate to ask, but what are the other two? No Jump drive ( cannot take part in capital fleets ) No cov ops cloak ( cannot take part in black ops fleets )
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Katie Corb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:36:00 -
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Hi. I'm Katie Corb
I am a very SIMPLE person.
I would like a ARCHON-CLASS CARRIER VESSEL OF THE AMARR EMPIRE for free please.
That is all, unless you would like to finish my carrier pilot training as well.
Thank you. :darkelf: |
Fix Lag
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
542
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:41:00 -
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Katie Corb wrote:Hi. I'm Katie Corb
I am a very SIMPLE person.
I would like a ARCHON-CLASS CARRIER VESSEL OF THE AMARR EMPIRE for free please.
That is all, unless you would like to finish my carrier pilot training as well.
Thank you.
r00d |
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Mirkali Maricadie
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:42:00 -
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Actually... as much as I would do some tongue-in-cheek post concerning giving alliances free ships... I feel I might as well throw in an honest post.
As someone who was sponsored into Goonswarm before playing EVE Online; I can confirm that their treatment of newbies has kept me as a paying subscriber (As I tend to not have much time to rat currently). They take the time to take newbies in cold with little to no experience with the game, give them basic training beyond the game's tutorial, and then throw them into real fights so that they can then immediately learn from. On top of various social programs, the members are rather generous and give hundreds of millions of ISK to newbies to get them started (I received over 1.2 billion ISK of donations/free stuff not including subsidies as a newbie in my first 2 months), and on top of that give them the knowledge necessary to make the most ISK with the least effort, so that they don't get burnt out on EVE's imperfect methods of keeping one in the money.
And it's not only that they have programs or friendliness towards newbees, it's that they design everything around newbies. When we went to fight the Fountain War, the newbies were given a very important role in the war as Ewar and Logi cruisers. And anyone in that war could tell you they were key to victory in most fights (It was also a blast to fly those ships in the war). Most of the Special Interest Groups that keep goons busy between wars specifically design their doctrines to incorporate newbies into them, beyond just flying tackling frigates. This all really goes back to Goonswarm's history with Rifters.
While it is strategically sound to utilize new players as much as possible, it also frankly works in CCPs favor, as this game is atrocious to pick up and try to learn, and Goonswarm really helps you scale that damned cliff until the game finally gets its hooks into you. And that's how you retain subscribers.
So, quite frankly... CCP: You have limited resources, and you have to decide where you put them. If you've decided that CCP/Player Organization partnerships are the way to go to promote the game, dumping valuable ships and other ISK-worthy goods into them to distribute... Goonswarm is actually your best choice. And if you entrust it specifically to Solo Drakban, he is literally himmler your guy, as he has honestly managed thousands of dollars in donations to help keep our services running, and he is a paragon on the front of information privacy when he designs systems.
Since CCP has this new policy, they should really give out prizes for the next time we do our NPSI (Not Purple Shoot It) event, which all were invited, and we all had fun shooting eachother in Vile Rat's honor. I know the squad I was with, we took down two of our own carriers, and one guy had a 4.5 Billion ISK lossmail. Giving out a Guardian Vexor or something to the person with the most expensive killmail would have been a good gesture. |
Metal Icarus
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
629
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:43:00 -
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dis whole thread is dildos |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2095
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:50:00 -
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it'd be interesting if somer blink refused these ships |
Spurty
971
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:52:00 -
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Hey goonies:
1) make your own content (your version of blink) 2) war dec blink 3) content I suppose .. But not really
As for you guys constantly saying you are "creating content", how's it content if it doesn't affect most people playing the game again? Give everybody in eve a fully fitted Rifter and you earned your internet meme "delivering content".
Oh right .. Posting tears on forums is now content .. Le sigh
Now let's see who get the prizes ...
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Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cedar Knolls Research STEEL BROTHERHOOD
28
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:03:00 -
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While I don't like the idea of CCP giving away high-end free stuff to anyone. Giving such stuff to Goons (actual content creators) would serve a better purpose. On the other hand, The Goon Federation could call on "Open Season" on any/all of these Somer won ships. Makes winning a shiny ship somewhat pointless if you can never take it out for even one spin. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
406
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:09:00 -
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Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:While I don't like the idea of CCP giving away high-end free stuff to anyone. Giving such stuff to Goons (actual content creators) would serve a better purpose. On the other hand, The Goon Federation could call on "Open Season" on any/all of these Somer won ships. Makes winning a shiny ship somewhat pointless if you can never take it out for even one spin.
I dont think you understand the value of those ships.
It is open season no matter who undocks them, Golden Magnates would likely auction for over 100bn, people would probably suicide gank that even if they were in a pirate BS.
edit: I agree that actual content creators are more worthy of receiving them though. Capital Shop temporarily closed. |
Cavalira
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
174
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:12:00 -
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Goonswarm provided way more entertainment and content than Somber Blink ever did. I'm pretty sure Goonswarm has earned CCP a lot of subs, Goon accounts and non-goon accounts.
I might dare saying that without Goonswarm, EVE would be more dead than it is right now.
(This entire event is awful. CCP decide to give Somer Blink items that'll promote Somer Blink. CCP shouldn't help anyone in this sandbox. Secretly spawning BPOs or officially giving them - what's the difference?) |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
369
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:12:00 -
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OP.....***** please |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
5
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:15:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Hey goonies:
1) make your own content (your version of blink) 2) war dec blink 3) content I suppose .. But not really
As for you guys constantly saying you are "creating content", how's it content if it doesn't affect most people playing the game again? Give everybody in eve a fully fitted Rifter and you earned your internet meme "delivering content".
Oh right .. Posting tears on forums is now content .. Le sigh
Now let's see who get the prizes ...
Hey Mr GRR GOONS
Do you understand the concept of ship replacement programs funded at an alliance level?
You see, goons go out and get blown up by pubbies. The alliance then pays to replace that ship, so the goon can fit a new ship and go get blown up by another pubbie instead of wasting time ratting.
That is how content is generated. From the guy doing to shooting, to the one who built the ships and mods, mined the minerals, ran the reactions, researched the blueprints, along with the market trades and transportation of goods involved. |
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
3124
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:25:00 -
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Might aswell support this, considering what's happening at the moment.
xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx can be blue now? :PP -áGÖÑ-á
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Asher Elias
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:32:00 -
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Mirkali Maricadie wrote: So, quite frankly... CCP: You have limited resources, and you have to decide where you put them. If you've decided that CCP/Player Organization partnerships are the way to go to promote the game, dumping valuable ships and other ISK-worthy goods into them to distribute... Goonswarm is actually your best choice. And if you entrust it specifically to Solo Drakban, he is literally himmler your guy, as he has honestly managed thousands of dollars in donations to help keep our services running, and he is a paragon on the front of information privacy when he designs systems. \
This guy pretty much nailed it. It's time for CCP to give back to the real givers of Eve, not the takers. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1208
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:41:00 -
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0/10 |
Tallian Saotome
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1003
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:48:00 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:Spurty wrote:Hey goonies:
1) make your own content (your version of blink) 2) war dec blink 3) content I suppose .. But not really
As for you guys constantly saying you are "creating content", how's it content if it doesn't affect most people playing the game again? Give everybody in eve a fully fitted Rifter and you earned your internet meme "delivering content".
Oh right .. Posting tears on forums is now content .. Le sigh
Now let's see who get the prizes ...
Hey Mr GRR GOONS Do you understand the concept of ship replacement programs funded at an alliance level? You see, goons go out and get blown up by pubbies. The alliance then pays to replace that ship, so the goon can fit a new ship and go get blown up by another pubbie instead of wasting time ratting. That is how content is generated. From the guy doing to shooting, to the one who built the ships and mods, mined the minerals, ran the reactions, researched the blueprints, along with the market trades and transportation of goods involved.
To elaborate on this some more, Goons do not produce enough minerals internally to build the ships we go through. We buy them in highsec, then pay someone to ship them to us. Every single miner, industrialist, and station trader in EVE has made money off of of the goon war machine, and this is a trend that will continue. This is content.
Most PvPers spend at least some time trying to kill Goons, or fighting us in some way. This is content.
Every miner has had to learn to watch his back, highsec or not, because of Goons, due to the glorious Ministry of Love, as well as our various interdiction events. This was demonstrated in the last one where we had to work much harder to find targets, and they were far fewer, despite the number of miners not significantly decreasing. This is also content.
Goons engage is wars of such vast scale that they involve all of the greatest powers in the game, putting EVE and CCP in the limelight of world news, not just gaming news. We do this on a fairly regular basis. This drives content in the form of more new players signing up end interacting with the game.
And finally, Goons give reason for countless pubbies who would never do so otherwise to come to these forums and post, positive or negative, which creates engagement with the community as a whole. Even this is a form of content in what is ultimately a social oriented game.
No player group has created more content for EVE than Goons have over the years. All SOMER.Blink has done is set up a gambling site in which they are guaranteed a profit in every single lottery, and encourage people to develop a gambling addiction.
I can't tell you how many people on all sides I have seen find out about Blink, get hooked, lose all of their money in a way that does nothing to drive game content, and quit EVE. The last part rarely happens in EVE tho, since Goons tend to take care of each other, and when someone loses it all to Blink, we will usually help them recover and get back in the game. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Vance Armistice
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:48:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:With the official CCP announcement that in the interests of "community engagement" groups of players that CCP decides they like will be given piles of rare or unreleased ships to make a private profit off, I'd like to throw my hat into the ring for goonswarm to be the next in line for massive unregulated handouts to people a random dev decides they like. Goonswarm has done more for raising EVE's profile and gathering new players into EVE than SOMER or any other CCP partner. It is goonswarm that makes international news when we butcher some worthless alliance that barely puts up a fight, or decides to pay half of empire to kill the other half, magic trillions of isk out of thin air by breaking a headline patch feature, or our many other delightful exploits. And we bring a constant stream of new players into EVE, to fill our ranks. Given the precedent set by the SOMER gifts, no player group deserves a free handout more than Goonswarm. And no player website deserves a handout more than goonfleet.com. Now, some people might argue that it would be favoritism to give them to us, as we'd just keep them rather than run a for-profit lottery for the ships to convert them to isk like SOMER would. I assure you nothing is farther from the truth. Rather than have some dumb ship I too will ensure that the ships are available to the EVE public, at the fairest price possible (the highest price the market will bear). That means any EVE player will have a fair chance to get the ship rather than having to lose scads of money in a for-profit gambling scheme. Now, some people might protest that we're only in it for ourselves. And those people certainly have a point: just like a for-profit gambling corporation that maintains its "trust" solely because that keeps the money flowing, we look out for #1. But as we look out for #1, we provide great benefits to the EVE population at large. We spend our vast sums of money creating content and obliterating abscesses on the eve community like highsec miners, and TEST. Some people might also claim that giving us ships would be blatant favoritism. To that, I can say nothing but that I agree - but since CCP has now decided they're openly showing favoritism by gifting hundreds of billions of isk worth of ships to SOMER, surely EVE's most successful alliance deserves some favoritism too. Some might argue that we should not be creating new unique ships, and that may be a fair point: I will happily accept sabre BPOs and other t2 BPOs as a replacement care package. CCP has argued that SOMER is a fitting partner because they are "honest", though studiously avoiding actually claiming they've investigated to determine SOMER is honest and also studiously avoiding promising they would do anything if SOMER just walked off with all the ships. Some might argue Goonswarm therefore does not qualify. To that, I have a simple argument: SOMER openly tells you that it will take your isk, tells you how, and then takes your isk. So too does Goonswarm tell you we're going to take your isk, tell you how we're going to take your isk (after all, our public wiki specifically tells you what's going to happen with your security deposit) and then we take your isk. That is just as honest, if not more honest, than SOMER: after all, our odds are public while you have to do a little math to figure out SOMER's. Do the right thing. Give Goonswarm hundreds of billions of isk. Nay, give us trillions: we are better than SOMER and deserve greater CCP largesse. Thank you for your time, and the sabre bpos we so richly deserve.
Dear Goonswarm slime,
You are the pimple that resides on the hairy mole which grows on the posterior of New Eden but you are right in this matter , CCP is making a big mistake.
I hate you for making me agree with you.
P.s. it appears that agreeing with you disagrees with me and as a result I have given myself permanent incontinence.
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
398
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please?
That's a pretty shameful post/like ratio, frankly. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
2869
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please?
They already gave you an Invulnerability Field, which prevents you from dying. what more do you want?
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4923
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:58:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Tippia wrote:Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please? They already gave you an Invulnerability Field, which prevents you from dying. what more do you want? an omnipotence skillbook and a polaris cruiser, clearly |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
6
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:59:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Tippia wrote:Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please? That's a pretty shameful post/like ratio, frankly. If you mean it's shameful for the blatantly wrong idiots that keep trying to argue with him, then yes. |
Tallian Saotome
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1004
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:03:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Tippia wrote:Hey, I have 30,000 posts and 16,000 likes on this forum. This must mean that I am a large source of EVE-related content and provide entertainment for thousands of players.
If I promise to hand out rewards to random people in Jita, can I have an Omnipotence skillbook and a Polaris cruiser, please? That's a pretty shameful post/like ratio, frankly.
Some of us gave up on liking his posts when he broke 10k. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Zaepho
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:15:00 -
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Gambling vs The Great Enemy that brings all of high-sec together in hatred?
CCP help us help you. Give Goons the shinys so that the rest of EVE can blow them up in gigantic fleet fights! |
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